U.A.W strike
E-Ray, 3LZ, ZER, LIFT
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From: NE South Carolina
The Unions ruined the US steel industry. Came close to wrecking the Auto industry. Their greed forced many jobs overseas that will never come back. They drive costs and delays out of sight on public works projects. Inflation is taking the toll on middle class families. And in the midst of this they want more for themselves. What a joke.
Yeah they were good and helped labor issues in the US. But that was 100 years ago. They have outlived any usefulness to the USA
And you wonder why companies are moving as fast as they can to more automation and fewer employees?
Yeah they were good and helped labor issues in the US. But that was 100 years ago. They have outlived any usefulness to the USA
And you wonder why companies are moving as fast as they can to more automation and fewer employees?
While giving a talk in South Korea at a 4 day conference they had an optional plant tour to Hyundai Auto Plant. We had about a buss load going. A very smart Hyundai engineer conducted the tour (all in English as were the conference presentations.) The plant was highly automated.The engineer conducting the tour was obviously trying to emphasize the few number of workers required. In an assembly step they had robots installing the rear doors of a sedan. But the front doors had two people. He said, "We could have automated the front doors the same BUT we need to train workers for inspection and other jobs so this is part of their training!" They had gasoline engine cars following propane powered and diesel. All on the same line.
I was surprised that they were automatically mounting tires on wheels. US plants like BG have suppliers doing that task and delivering tire mounted wheels. Nope the competition today is not all just cheap labor!
Last edited by JerryU; Aug 25, 2023 at 04:52 PM.
Drifting
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Authorizing the union to strike by the membership is a normal practice which is endorsed and recommended by the union in most cases to improve bargaining power, intended to put the employer on notice so now the decision to strike or not to is solely at the discretion of the union.
Usually the employer can make an eleventh-hour offer, if so, it postpones the possibility of a strike. If rejected, that is when a strike is likely imminent unless there is a counter offer. The process of a strike or a contract agreement can range from a few days to months.
George
Usually the employer can make an eleventh-hour offer, if so, it postpones the possibility of a strike. If rejected, that is when a strike is likely imminent unless there is a counter offer. The process of a strike or a contract agreement can range from a few days to months.
George
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From: N. Alabama
A POTUS can't stop it because that office doesn't have the authority to stop a strike in the auto industry. The only power to stop a strike by a POTUS is under the Railway Labor Act (RLA), for "national security reasons." Massive disruption of the national transportation system is grounds for POTUS intervention under powers granted by the RLA. Stopping vehicle production poses no immediate danger to national security or a massive transportation disruption.
I don't think we'll see a strike. I've been on the management side of the negotiation table at a major airline, and have watched negotiations in other industries for years. The majority of the time, these things don't get settled until the last minute. The "game of chicken" is the only way each side can be convinced they've gotten the best deal possible, and strikes hurt both sides badly.
Witness the settlement of the UPS contract impasse a few weeks back, which happened just before "midnight" on the day before the walkout. There were 100s of doom and gloom stories about the economic damage that would be caused in the weeks leading up to the deadline, at which time it was magically resolved.
The fact that UAW is targeting all of the "Big 3" lowers the probability of a strike.
I don't think we'll see a strike. I've been on the management side of the negotiation table at a major airline, and have watched negotiations in other industries for years. The majority of the time, these things don't get settled until the last minute. The "game of chicken" is the only way each side can be convinced they've gotten the best deal possible, and strikes hurt both sides badly.
Witness the settlement of the UPS contract impasse a few weeks back, which happened just before "midnight" on the day before the walkout. There were 100s of doom and gloom stories about the economic damage that would be caused in the weeks leading up to the deadline, at which time it was magically resolved.
The fact that UAW is targeting all of the "Big 3" lowers the probability of a strike.
Safety Car
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From: Granada Hills CA
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Consumers are already paying. It's called corporate greed. The price of a big 3 car/truck doesn't change if it's built in Mexico vs the US. They still charge the same bloated price and executives pocket the difference. Union labor is ~5% of the cost to build a vehicle. They're not to blame for car prices being what they are now
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From: Virginia
The Unions ruined the US steel industry. Came close to wrecking the Auto industry. Their greed forced many jobs overseas that will never come back. They drive costs and delays out of sight on public works projects. Inflation is taking the toll on middle class families. And in the midst of this they want more for themselves. What a joke.
Yeah they were good and helped labor issues in the US. But that was 100 years ago. They have outlived any usefulness to the USA
And you wonder why companies are moving as fast as they can to more automation and fewer employees?
Yeah they were good and helped labor issues in the US. But that was 100 years ago. They have outlived any usefulness to the USA
And you wonder why companies are moving as fast as they can to more automation and fewer employees?
Le Mans Master
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From: Southwest Florida
Drifting
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From: Houston Texas
I have an allocation at 3000 as of today. From the news articles, the issue for Corvette, is whether the strike hits just one or two manufacturers or all three. The head the UAW has postured towards all three. I selfishly hope it will be non GM, but the UAW is holding enough funds to pay (albeit much below their regular pay) almost 10 weeks of strike pay.
I expect a strike against this background, the question will be who.
I expect a strike against this background, the question will be who.
Burning Brakes
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Consumers are already paying. It's called corporate greed. The price of a big 3 car/truck doesn't change if it's built in Mexico vs the US. They still charge the same bloated price and executives pocket the difference. Union labor is ~5% of the cost to build a vehicle. They're not to blame for car prices being what they are now
Race Director
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From: Virginia
So not hypocritical at all and I repeat and stand by my post from yesterday which is still true:
Maxie, I've lost a bit of respect I had for you my friend as a result of your post.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Schaller Iowa
I had to laugh at the line in the article that said UAW are "living paycheck to paycheck". Uh huh. Sure they are. I spent 20 years working for the USPS and about the last 15 years I was making just under $30/hour plus benefits. I retired at the end of 2020 for reference. I was hardly living paycheck to paycheck. That phrase regarding the UAW is pure BS.
