Didn't say better or worse, said more feedback, which is 100% true because Miata's have FAR less power assist. If you haven't driven one, don't prove your stupidity.

 

I'm planning to run 28" rims on my C8 with 20" brake rotors! I'm all about having the biggest brake rotors!

 

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Great Idea! Then it can look like some of the cars around here that have rubber bands as tires!

Provides a great ride!

 

Duh!!!! That is the only reason the discussion is even happening.

GM apologists will go to any lengths to avoid cold hard facts and figures.




Question of the day: What is the weight distribution of a modern F1 car?
Answer: 48% F / 52% R - almost exactly the same as the 49F/51R in the C7 Stingray

 

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I was referring to your comparison of front brake rotor size! The ME C8 with 60% of it's weight on the rear wheels does NOT need the large front rotors as does the "Dynamically Nose Heavy C7 When Braking!" On a 1+ "g" stop the C7 has ~60+% of the braking load on the front tires! The C8 has more equal braking on the rear wider tires - a good thing!

I'm not a GM apologist, I just understand the laws of physics! It's where the weight is located that is important NOT "what some think is ideal 50/50 weight distribution!" Dr. Porsche knew that in the 1930's when he worked on the German race cars- all of which were ME's. He built the 1st Porsche 356 in 1948 as an ME BUT too expensive for 1948 Germany (recovering from WWII.) He used the rear engine/cheap transaxle VW and other parts of the "peoples car" for prodcution. Zora Duntov was involved with Dr. Porsche before he came to the US and understood the same thing! That is why the "Father of the Corvette" wanted a ME Vette since the mid '50s! In fact Zora won his class at Le Mans driving a ME Porsche in the 1954 while he was working for GM!

Try Andy Pilgrim's twisting broom approach to understand the ME benefit. IMO, his interview in February 2019 was to show the "FE Forever Crowd" why a ME Vette was needed when they were "having a temper tantrum" including expounding foolish 50/50 weight distribution statements! If his broom example is not clear try my commonly used simulation for understanding "Moment of Inertia" of twisting a barbell versus the same weight bell. Easier to turn and stop the exact same center weight location.

BTW F1 cars are ME with little weight on the ends. Very low Polar Moment of Inertia!






PS: I present this info NOT for the ~40 folks who posted on this Thread (about half shown as many vocal minority, including me, post 2+ times) as some of them have their mind made up! Rather it's for those who visit (over 11,000 on this Thread) some who actually want the info. Also learned many years ago- as it's common to quote- "a picture is worth 1000 words!"

 

I am thinking of just ordering the performance exhaust more for the sound then the 5hp. The differential might be nice but I am not going to track so bigger brakes and lower stiffer suspension only sounds like a rough ride and something to not clear a bump. ... comments welcome

 

So in that case the Z51 is an extra $3800 as it comes with NPP. In my case would not buy anything other than the Z51 even if I was not getting MRC, which I am, that requires the Z51.

My 2014 Z51 did not have MRC and the larger brakes, HD shocks and stiffer sway bars worth
the price to me.

 

I have a bump at street glutter before driveway, I wonder if Z51 (lower suspension?) would have the nose clear without dragging?

Then I read the Z51 suspension is stiffer for the track and that as far a going down the highway maybe not be so enjoyable.

The Z51 moniker might be worth the small money but it is really going to be better to drive?

I do agree I think the rumble of the performance Exhaust sounds like required fun.

What is NPP and MRC?

 

This is the sweet spot of the pricing! Quite a car for under $70k. All the reviews are stunned by the ride in the Z51 with MRC saying it rivals top Luxury car rides never mind sports cars!!!

 

Found this report ... A great track run and a discussion how the street ride is great

 

Hmm, NPP is the Corvette part number for the muffler with valves that open the exhaust when under power. It cost ~$1100 on the base car and comes with the Z51. Also adds 5hp.

Magnetic Ride Control (MRC) are shocks that are computer controlled and only available with the Z51. They charge rapidly, real time based on wheel position changes and many other variables. It makes the ride softer and more compliment when set at Touring Mode and stiffer set in Sport or Track. Not available with the base C8. Gives the best of both worlds and what I am ordering. Yep costs more money!

I also have a “bump” at the end of my driveway and the base C8 or Z51 would scrap the front air dam and maybe splitter. (The Z51 is not really lower.) My C6 Corvette scraped every time I left the house. So I’m am buying the “lift option” that will raise the front end 2 inches with a push of a button. It will memorize 1000 locations where I want it to automatically raise the front, ie other driveways, speed bumps etc. As I recall also not available on the base C8. Yep also more money!

I’ll solve both problems while you may still scape the front and be frustrated. Pays your money and takes your choice!

 

make that 2 less

 

Im buying the 2029 c8 z51 fe4 1LT ...i buy my corvettes new and daily them ...my present corvette 2008 z51 m6 has 138k miles on it...since new...i want to try mrc this time around fir fun.,,supposed to be great technology and for an extra two grand what the hell..Im in.

im digging tje idea of going from a manual transmission sports car for iver 40 years 20 of hich have been c5 s and c6 s...over a quarter of a million miles...

ive been a huge fan of dct technology for quite a few years.two cars ago my z06 had that stupid sticking clutch pedal which annoyed me to no end amd even though my current c6 z51 manual never had a sticking clutch pedal...once you experience that in the corvette z06 a million times spending a ridiculous amount of time and money for that crappy designed slave ...you become enamored with the idea of a dct...

i wasnt planning a 2LT for 7300 although I was planning the E60 for $1500 but you cant get it without spending 7300 for the 2LT interior...

im rolling the dice and passing on E60 even though Id like it...and would buy it as a stand alone evenmif it came with no gps....for $1500...

adding the 2LT to get the e60 for a total of $8800 seems a little steep since Im not a HUD fanatic etc...mulan leather is fine for my backside to sit on...i would have bought the seat heaters for $395 though.. but still Im way off at 7300 dollars but thats just where Im sitting today...when mike furman finally calls...to finalize themorderill probably flip a coin (z51 fe4 for sure...(2LT to get E60 is a maybe)

i know the second year will be a better c8 corvette for whatever reasons but I dont feel like waiting....supposedly the 1965 corvette with fuel injection and disc brakes not to mention a bigger rear window was a better corvette sports car than the 1963 split window but today they bith have their charms...

hopefully over the air updates will make the 2020 c8 z51 fe4 all that it can be over time...lol


i always buy either z51 or z06 models as its just a ever so slightly finer tuning of performance corvettes..l

is it drastic? No but the heavy duty parts that are included with the z51 always seemed to make sense to me fir the slightly added cost and I want the mrc shock technology this time around. I really find the idea of keeping the front and rear tires in contact with the road even dur8ng mid corner bumps quite appealing.

since companies like dsc or people like Jim Mero or even GM have performance updates on c7 mrc shock technology...i believe its a technology I want on my rear mid engine sports car...

if ferrari licenses MRC fir its 300 grand 488 ..llthen I can see the logic in putting it in my c8 for 1900 dollars...

just my logic...doesnt mean its gospel...just makes sense ti me...


and to thise guys in this forum and in this posts talking about being “ GM apologists” thats just creepy weird as I read this thread...

its a corvette forum ..it would be weird if we were on the forum not being biased a little towards corvettes...

any specific car brand forum would by its very nature have brand enthusiasts and of course a few weirdo trolls...

 

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I had a 2008 C6 Z51 without MRC and was happy with the ride on our relatively good roads in Eastern SC. Bought my 2014 Z51 without MRC and was very pleased with the ride and always drove in Sport or Track for the other feature benefits, like faster throttle control and reduced nannie activation.

Then had no choice when I bought my 2017 Grand Sport and in came with MRC. Found I had to drive in Touring as Sport was very harsh when I hit even the small bumps I have on the ~2 mile twisty road I live on with large trees on either side and roots that cause pavement to rise slightly! I had to live with the Throttle control and more nannies intervention that I had for 3 years! I bought a Vitesse Throttle controller to match what I was used to! Then got the GM software upgrade and now drive 95% of the time in Sport! Track still "rattles your teeth" and only use than when tying for max lateral acceleration in a few fun spots I have where it's safe!

With the new software the ride is about what I had in my non MRC 2014 Z51. Throttle control is good enough without the Vitesse Controller so removed it! All that said I'm getting MRC and I believe from what I have read should be able to set Throttle control and other features in My MODE! (Quoting:The new My Mode enables visual customizing such as choosing a background for the dash screen, as well as making changes to performance metrics like throttle response, shift mapping, suspension setting, and engine sound.) Although in my Grand Sport some of those can also be preset but NOT throttle response which changes with Drive Mode.)

Now once set in Sport I seldom change drive mode. I do use Weather Mode when it's below ~45F or raining. The nannies come in much sooner.

Frankly there are other features I would not do without so would not get a 1LT:

• Rear Camera Mirror. (Have never had an accident with another car in 60 years of driving and attribute some of that to knowing where all cars are around me at all times [also took Luck, looking for wood!] The Grand Sport is difficult enough to see out the rear- will love that wider view.
• HUD: (With all the distracted drivers need to keep my eyes looking for all the AH's texting, looking at a phone when they receive a text or or frankly even talking on the phone- have my iPhone set to not receive calls when moving!)
• Seat Memory: (I'm the only driver BUT have it set so when I exit, the seat is as far back, wheel fully up and fully in with front and rear seat up as far as possible. Helps exit and entry. Occasionally when I get out of the car to get the mail from the box in front, will exit with the car running. PIA getting out and back in!
• Power-Adjustable Lumbar: (My back is fine BUT sensative to where the lumbar support is located. Wife had a Honda where it was so poorly placed for my back had to buy a wedge coushion! Sold that car after ~ year!)
• 14 Speaker Bose System: (Missed a subwoofer in my C6 and hard to add with Bose. Big difference IMO in my 3LT 2014 and 2LT GS.)
• Front Parking Camera: (Did not have that option in my 3LT 2014 Z51. After hitting a concreate tire stop a few times started to back into parking Slots! A PIA. Now with my 2LT Grand Sport love that front camera. Use it all the time.)
• Power-Folding Mirrors: ( Mirror Tip-to-Tip: C6 = 82 5/8 inches; C7 = 85 inches; C8 = 84 3/4 [folded ~79 3/4] Was concerned when I ordered my 2014 Z51 before there was pricing as magazines said the mirrors were wider BUT no data. Won't find the tip-to-tip data in from GM or most car companies. Note, compared to your C6 at 82 5/8, the C8 will be 84 3/4. With the C7 I clear my 8 foot wide garage doors but only have ~3 1/2 inches per side IF I pull in perfectly straight (not easy.) I even built a "detector" for the passenger side that has an alarm when backing out if the passenger mirror is closer than 2 inches [especially useful at night.] Have learned to pull in by looking at the driver's side mirror and keeping it about 2 to 3 inches from the wood door frame. Can't be closer as I seldom pull straight in as the garage doors are on the side of the house and have to back up and turn the wheel sharply to pull in. Will use the power folding feature as we do my wife's BMW SUV in the same width 3 car garage door.

• Blind-Spot and Rear Cross-Traffic Warning: (Will help keep my 60 year driving record.)
• Heated and Ventilated Seats: (Useful, for me especially in the summer getting into a hot car.)
• Heated Steering Wheel: (I'll find that an interesting option that has not been an option on any prior 5 Vettes. The wife's SUV has that feature and have used it several times on hot days when the AC is on and the cold air blowing at my left hand! Makes my fingers fell much better on a long trip! )

Just some food for thought! You have your cars for years, consider the extra cost spread over that time and what you might miss! Good Luck!

 

All 2020 cars will be sold so there is no “less”...

Thanks for coming out...

 

Yep, and all without a discount! Expect all 2021's they can make to be sold as well with perhaps modest large dealer discounts and smaller dealers still at over MSRP for cars in their showroom!

SIDEBAR
When some folks complained about the "high" C8 pricing I searched prices from my early purchase September 2013 built C7 to now:

• My early 2014 M7 C7 Z51 was $53,800 MSRP
• My early 2014 M7 C7 Z51 with NPP was $54,995 MSRP
• The 2019 M7 C7 Z51 includes NPP = $61,995 MSRP (big increase from 2014)
• The 2019 A8 C7 Z51 includes NPP = $63,180 MSRP (~75% had automatic)
• The C8 Z51 comes with NPP = $63,900 MSRP (DCT better auto than A8)

Forget the BS that GM is losing money on Base C8's and the BS I got when I posted this before saying that cars are discounted! That is a "dealer discount," GM only gets "Dealer Cost" starting with the 1st C7 delivered in 2013! Will GM raise C8 prices to get more margin? You bet your bippy! Why not! Can't give $11,000 "signing bonus" to all those "loyal" employees who struck for 6 weeks and not recover some of that cost! Oh yea, they are also getting overtime to try to catch up!

 

I just want to find a wrecked 1 just so I can strip it and redesign my z51 c5 !

 

if the rumor is true that 2021 and up will have a price increase, a 2020 at MSRP is as good as a discount.

 

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Would not be surprised! GM did not plan on a 6 week strike and having to pay a $11,000 signing bonus that was significantly more than the salaries they didn't pay! And now the overtime being paid not in attempt to catch up!