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I will trading in my 2016 Z06/07 for C8 convertible and I see the acceleration numbers less than three seconds as a good thing. At first I planned on waiting for the Z06 version of the C8 however when I saw the hard top convertible I decided I would get one of those and later on trade in for a Z06 when it comes out. Even though the 0 to 60 times are great is anyone else concerned that the acceleration from say from 80 mph up will be a little lax in the stingray when compared to the Z06?
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I am also coming from a 2016 Z06 to a 2020 coupe with the Z51. I asked Tadge at Carlisle how the new car will compare to the C7 Z06. He said that the new car will keep up or beat the C7 Z06 until 60 but the Z06 would take over after that due to it's horsepower advantage. Kind of predictable, actually. Not the least bit concerned. The entirely new platform should be superior in almost every meaningful way. My plan is also to move up to the Z06 when it arrives, but this base car will be plenty fast and satisfying. My bet is that with the DCT the base car will actually be easier to drive fast than the C7 Z. Certainly less wheel spin with the weight bias change.
I own an '18 3LZ Vert and I do really like the C8 Spider and though the base C8 has some very impressive 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers, 495 BHP just is a non starter for me. The C8's performance numbers are accomplished with ME traction, gearing and the DCT, but with only 495 BHP it won't give me the visceral/exciting/damn fun/slightly terrifying H.P. feel of turning the rear tires over on command (first thing I do after starting my car is turn both the nannies off) that I get with my Z so I have decided to stick with my Z until the C8 Z comes out and then I will give it a serious look. But I can understand your position too, though I wouldn't want to eat that much depreciation that quick if I knew I was buying a C8 Z in 18 months.
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I don't disagree with you Rodeo, except that your current Z is also depreciating. Mine was an easier decision because my Z was 3 years old. Yours is still pretty new. I have 2 people already lined up to buy my C8 when I move up to the Z. I may not lose that much with the expected price increases of the C8. Not really concerned with depreciation anyway. I just couldn't wait to get into a mid engine Vette. I have been waiting for this for a long time. I don't expect the acceleration of the base C8 to be as ferocious as the C7 Z, but I'm sure the whole car will be alot of fun to drive on the street as well as the track.
I will trading in my 2016 Z06/07 for C8 convertible and I see the acceleration numbers less than three seconds as a good thing. At first I planned on waiting for the Z06 version of the C8 however when I saw the hard top convertible I decided I would get one of those and later on trade in for a Z06 when it comes out. Even though the 0 to 60 times are great is anyone else concerned that the acceleration from say from 80 mph up will be a little lax in the stingray when compared to the Z06?
The A8 0-60 was also less than 3 seconds. The spec to look at is power to weight. 650 into 3525 pounds equal 5.42 495 into 3650 equal 7.37
there is the answer. Acceleration contest like 50 and above will be all Z06.
The A8 0-60 was also less than 3 seconds. The spec to look at is power to weight. 650 into 3525 pounds equal 5.42 495 into 3650 equal 7.37
there is the answer. Acceleration contest like 50 and above will be all Z06.
I raced a C8 with my C7 Z06 with A8......it was a manufacture plate and the 2 people in the car waited for me at a turn around to get next to them at the Red Light. It was obvious he wanted to race me. With my C7 Z06 it wasn't even a good race , unless the person didn't know how to take his car out of the hole? My car was stock with warmed up Cup 2's.
I raced a C8 with my C7 Z06 with A8......it was a manufacture plate and the 2 people in the car waited for me at a turn around to get next to them at the Red Light. It was obvious he wanted to race me. With my C7 Z06 it wasn't even a good race , unless the person didn't know how to take his car out of the hole? My car was stock with warmed up Cup 2's.
I suspect they did not want to get on it or something. Out of the hole is where the C8 should have the advantage. Sounds like the stingray will work great for me as a trainer for me to learn the ME and be ready for the Z06 or Zora. ( and hopefully two more trips to spring Mountain) It is a hardtop convertible just to add icing on my cake.
The A8 0-60 was also less than 3 seconds. The spec to look at is power to weight. 650 into 3525 pounds equal 5.42 495 into 3650 equal 7.37
there is the answer. Acceleration contest like 50 and above will be all Z06.
Originally Posted by Edwardz
I suspect they did not want to get on it or something. Out of the hole is where the C8 should have the advantage. Sounds like the stingray will work great for me as a trainer for me to learn the ME and be ready for the Z06 or Zora. ( and hopefully two more trips to spring Mountain) It is a hardtop convertible just to add icing on my cake.
so just checked out the new Car and Driver C8 article. Mag arrived today.
Funny how indidnt see this posted anywhere?
They say tack on avg of .1 but in the C8s case?
And unless I am not understanding exactly what they're trying to articulate, does that mean that the counter isn't starting until the car is moving at 6mph? So it hits 60mph having only traveled from 6mph during the et? So 54mph in 2.8 seconds (6-60). Looks like .2 So where does that put the C8? So is that added to the 2.8 to make it 3.0? And then do you deduct another .1 or .2 for a C7 Z06 and what do you have? Not to mention that 5-60 stat of which the no rollout procedure for a 15 Z06 was 3.3 5-60.. All hype to get buzz.. The new platform gets you better traction but like has been said before. The real test will be when they line up side by side.
I suspect they did not want to get on it or something. Out of the hole is where the C8 should have the advantage. Sounds like the stingray will work great for me as a trainer for me to learn the ME and be ready for the Z06 or Zora. ( and hopefully two more trips to spring Mountain) It is a hardtop convertible just to add icing on my cake.
Enjoy that convertible. I like the car with the top down.. very nice.
As for acceleratio, again look at the 5mph to 60mph time. Equate that to no launch control and off the brake and wot... that's about what you're dealing with. The car comes off idle then you go flat out...
The ME and new tires make the car launch pretty good. But to get the benefit of that is has to be brought up in the revs. It's not a torque monster.
I will trading in my 2016 Z06/07..................is anyone else concerned that the acceleration from say from 80 mph up will be a little lax in the stingray when compared to the Z06?
No. They're apples to oranges.
Originally Posted by Edwardz
Sounds like the stingray will work great for me as a trainer for me to learn the ME and be ready for the Z06 or Zora. ( and hopefully two more trips to spring Mountain) It is a hardtop convertible just to add icing on my cake.
This is a great strategy. Those that don't think that there will be a learning curve (albeit short) to handling the ME on the track, are mistaken.
so just checked out the new Car and Driver C8 article. Mag arrived today.
Funny how indidnt see this posted anywhere?
They say tack on avg of .1 but in the C8s case?
And unless I am not understanding exactly what they're trying to articulate, does that mean that the counter isn't starting until the car is moving at 6mph? So it hits 60mph having only traveled from 6mph during the et? So 54mph in 2.8 seconds (6-60). Looks like .2 So where does that put the C8? So is that added to the 2.8 to make it 3.0? And then do you deduct another .1 or .2 for a C7 Z06 and what do you have? Not to mention that 5-60 stat of which the no rollout procedure for a 15 Z06 was 3.3 5-60.. All hype to get buzz.. The new platform gets you better traction but like has been said before. The real test will be when they line up side by side.
Glad C&D came clean with their test procedures...btw MT does the exact same thing. My take is the C8 with ME traction will be much easier to launch and given similar driver skill will have a slight advantage in a typical street light race with a C7 Z (I own a C7 Z06) but above 40 MPH, especially a stage 1 Aero Z06 like mine will have a pretty clear advantage up to it's 195 mph terminal velocity. From the videos I have watched, with "only" 495 SAE BHP the C8 with DCT has very little wheel spin, it just hooks like crazy and goes...so with bigger stickier tires and about 675-700 HP the Z C8 will be capable of even scaring a 911 Turbo S (2.5 secs 0-60), which is a $250K car. Please note: this is the same procedure they used for the C7 Z06 so you would need to also add a tenth or two to those CD published times to get a true Standing start to 60 mph time.
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Glad C&D came clean with their test procedures. Please note: this is the same procedure they used for the C7 Z06 so you would need to also add a tenth or two to those CD published times to get a true Standing start to 60 mph time.
No... they didn't. The C7 Z06 was tested years ago. That explanation is for the NEW test procedures.. that's why it is in this month's mag... and explains the C8.... did you read it?
Tires and road surface are the big equalizer on the street. How often do you find a spot where you plan to switch over to track mode and engage launch control? A set of warm cup tires on a C7 is a lot of grip. On the street, driver skill plus the best set of tires wins.
I have an M6, so my left foot is launch control, and no I can't out launch an A6 or A8 car.
No... they didn't. The C7 Z06 was tested years ago. That explanation is for the NEW test procedures.. that's why it is in this month's mag... and explains the C8.... did you read it?
1ft rollout isn't anything new whatsoever. Back in the 80s (even earlier) when these car magazines timed the cars, they used the staging beams at the track to trigger the clock. When GPS became the norm when testing these vehicles over a decade ago, the US mags came up with a standardized 1ft rollout to make past/present/future comparisons equivalent. The times posted by the mags of the C5Z, C6Z and CZ7 were all done very similarly and practically every 0-60 time released by the US magazines in the last decade are the 0-60 time minus the 1ft rollout.
Edmunds.com wrote an article complaining about the US magazines using 1ft rollout back in 2008.
Yet car and driver advertising their... NEW testing method.
Idc what is typed here. When the magazine doing the testing puts this in there....
Notice the words "our change" Let that sink in.... it's been done forever you say? Maybe.... but not by them. They just started using the 1ft rollout. Stop trying to make thia something it isn't. Its in "black and white"
If 0-60 is all I cared about I would just keep letting Tesla do software updates to my P3, In 30 minutes of download/install my P3 went from 0-60 in 3.3 secs to 2.9. I'm definitely keeping my C7 Z 3LZ and then when the C8Z comes out I will buy one..probably trade my Tesla in on it. Hopefully GM is being smart and moving towards a battery platform or hybrid C8. The technology is here and Ferrari is already doing it. My plan is to have the last Gen FE Z and the first ME Z in my stable.
If people think that a ME C8 is going to be faster than the C7Z was at VIR before it comes out into the real world, then I think people are stetting themselves up to be disappointed. The C7 and Viper all FEs cars have outdone many ME cars, ME cars that have been around for a lot longer too.....will the C8 Stingray outperform either of those cars? We won't know how well it does until it is out and not being tested by magazines.
Here are the lap times for VIR..notice the FE cars on the list. I doubt the C8 will beat the C7Z.
Yet car and driver advertising their... NEW testing method.
Idc what is typed here. When the magazine doing the testing puts this in there....
Notice the words "our change" Let that sink in.... it's been done forever you say? Maybe.... but not by them. They just started using the 1ft rollout. Stop trying to make thia something it isn't. Its in "black and white"
I think we are both right and wrong at the same time. C&D has been using the US industry standard of subtracting the 1ft rollout time for quite some time. They state that previous equipment didn't allow them to calculate the 1ft accurately so they just started the timer at 3mph. Now, with a car like the C8 that launches like a ****, they are going to report what the VBox says for 0-60 (which is 0-60 minus the 1ft rollout) and also report/publish the actual elapsed time of the 1ft rollout so readers can calculated a true dead stop 0-60.
So yes, they do have a new procedure but that procedure is simply to more accurately time/measure the 1ft and then also publish that 1ft rollout time in the magazine/online articles.
If you would have posted up a picture of the entire page that the "Face the Clock" snippet was on, everyone would have a little more context about their new procedure.
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I don't disagree with you Rodeo, except that your current Z is also depreciating. Mine was an easier decision because my Z was 3 years old. Yours is still pretty new. I have 2 people already lined up to buy my C8 when I move up to the Z. I may not lose that much with the expected price increases of the C8. Not really concerned with depreciation anyway. I just couldn't wait to get into a mid engine Vette. I have been waiting for this for a long time. I don't expect the acceleration of the base C8 to be as ferocious as the C7 Z, but I'm sure the whole car will be alot of fun to drive on the street as well as the track.
That's the point though.. If he sells his current Z he will eat cost + buying a new base C8 only to eat even more cost to purchase a new C8Z.. May as well just wait. If all you're after is performance measurements, the C7Z is still better in every way.
Originally Posted by Edwardz
I suspect they did not want to get on it or something. Out of the hole is where the C8 should have the advantage. Sounds like the stingray will work great for me as a trainer for me to learn the ME and be ready for the Z06 or Zora. ( and hopefully two more trips to spring Mountain) It is a hardtop convertible just to add icing on my cake.
In a straight line the DCT will NOT provide as much of an advantage as you think when comparing to a A8 C7Z. The C7Z was tested just as good at 0-60 times. No one in the real world will be or is able to replicate these times very often. Having less HP/TQ is where the advantage comes from for the C8, not the tranny. It's just easier to grip 450 torque compared to 650.
C8 Stingray vs. C7 Z06
