I think you guys are miss-judging the most important part of Z51... the gearing...

 

The first sign of a poor logical position is ad hominem attacks. I never claimed to be able to feel it. You claim that no one could feel it. I asked for actual scientific evidence that a person could not feel it. Some study of people's ability to discern different acceleration levels that would show people can't feel a 3% difference in acceleration.

Your only response is attempted insults.

 

Now you claim to be a physician. A man of science who should understand the use of double blind studies to determine people's abilities to discern different levels of stimulus. That is to eliminate confirmation bias. I asked for science, you respond with nothing. Can you provide any cites?

Actually, I am not buying the Z51 for the lower 0-60 but the whole package. My wife actually prefer a stiffer suspension, but I guess you will tell that no one can feel the difference in spring rates, after that would use much the same sensory inputs to feel the difference in acceleration given that is what springs do is change the rates of acceleration (+ and -) in a vertical plane as opposed to forward acceleration in a horizontal plane. Maybe you wife with a degree in physics can explain acceleration along 3 axis.

On a learning note, because I like to learn every day. How does acceleration affect the sense of smell and taste. I would love to read those studies.

 

Sorry but you obviously have major issues with those who have more education than yourself. You sound like a guy who needs to be right so yeah, you are right, feel better now?
Hope you enjoy your C8 when you get it!

 

Says the man that resorts first to insults, and presents zero facts to support his absolute claim that not a single person in the world can feel the difference in acceleration.

It must have killed you as a doctor to have anyone to question your diagnosis as a doctor, and ask for you to actually present the factual basis for it. Pretty much every profession in the world that deals with hard facts, is used to justifying their position with facts. Sorry you chose not do it.

I apologize for looking looking for explanations, supported by facts, so I and others can learn something from such a highly educated and esteemed expert.

Have a great day!

 

I apologize for upsetting your applecart here sir. You obviously have some issues with physicians and that is YOUR PROBLEM not mine. At no point did I insult you as you have me. What would make you think that anyone owes you any justifications or detailed explanations at your demand and order. Who are you? You don't agree with me, OK, I get that. So be it. Get over it and better yet get over yourself. Hope you enjoy your C8 when it becomes a reality just be sure you know what your are getting when you lay out another 5 large for the Z51.

 

You threw out the first insult(see first quote above). I asked for factual support for your position, how is that an insult?

I like doctors. I just asked one to support their position with facts from studies. If you can’t do that just say so, no need to insult. Look back, I was not the one that called doctors know it alls, that was someone else. I called you “educated” and “esteemed”, is that an insult in your world?

Who am I? I am a person that wanted to learn something from someone that professes to be educated and experienced on the topic, an expert if you will. You have informed me, in your opinion, that is a demanding and insulting thing to do. In my world, curiosity and learning are things to be supported. Oh well. Have a great day.

 

Sometimes a person that is an expert in one area thinks that makes them an expert in another area. You don't have to be crazy smart to be a doctor, you have to be reasonably smart, good at memorizing, and able to function with minimal sleep to get through residency(At least that is what my doctor friends tell me). Many, MANY doctors are TERRIBLE at applying the scientific method. They made a show about it called "House" Now that I've lobbed that softball across the plate, we'll see how big a swing we get (Doctors, in general hate that show and in many cases with good reason).

 

Wow, you watched a "SHOW" about doctors. God Damn Sam!

You guys who can feel the difference between 2 cars having a delta of 0.1 second 0-60 must have everything figured out. Possibly you could swing by the nearest level one trauma center or university medical center and enlighten the surgeons there about things they may not be quite clear on, I'm sure they could benefit from your omniscience.

 

Wait, are you saying that TV shows aren't 100% faithful to reality? But Since I know a lot about setting up a car, clearly I know a lot about being a surgeon. It works both ways, right? Or maybe expounding about my expertise in one area is irrelevant to another? Just thinking out loud here.....

 

The point is rooted in human sensory inputs and the ability of the brain to process and differentiate and to what degree under certain circumstances. The vestibular apparatus is one of many components in this complex process that is easily confused in some situations and is a perfect example of just how imperfect our senses can be. Your attitude about physicians is a carbon copy of that I have seen from some of the losers I graduated from High School with who moved on to a bar stool and never left but have doctors, lawyers, or anyone else with a higher education all figured out as you obviously do.

If you are sure that you can feel a tenth of second difference 0-60 then you certainly can. Why not leave it at that as it is unlikely that you are capable of understanding why that is flatly laughable.

 

Unsubscribed.

 

So painful to deconstruct your arguments, but I'll go slow for you. I get that the vestibular apparatus i.e. inner ear is part of the process, but really this is a non-sequitur. Of course our senses can be imperfect or influence by outside factors. I don't have an attitude about physicians in general. I have several friends that are doctors. I am aware that there are stereotypes that exist and I use that stereotype to bust your ***** because you represent it so well. The fact that you take the bait so easily does lend credence to my comment about not needing to be super smart to be a doctor! I see from your follow on comment that anyone that isn't a doctor is a "loser." See what I did there? I took your comment to an extreme to make a point. Not accurate, but since you do it, I thought I would let you try it on.

Next you try to make it seem that I claim to be able to tell the difference in a tenth of a second 0-60. I never said that, in truth neither did you really, which showed uncharacteristic cleverness on your part. However, you frame the statement to make it sound like I am claiming that. I am not. I honestly doubt I can tell the difference. There might be some drag racers who can, I don't know.

Then you insult my intelligence because I am "unlikely capable" of understanding your piles of wisdom. Sorry. Pearls, I meant to say pearls of wisdom there. Sorry, I must've been thinking of something else.

Lastly, I have a higher education. However, just because I have that education doesn't mean: 1. I am an expert in all things. 2. I know everything. 3. I should lord it over people. 4. I think that people who don't have that education are stupid. Maybe you don't either, but your statements indicate otherwise.

 

Enough... damn.. hearing older people with higher IQ then me fight over something small is silly.....


Punky= you are absolutely right 99% would not feel the difference in .01 seconds, but there are people that would pay and race for that .01-.02 second. I fought over and over to get the z51 many times. Part of me is with you thinking its a big waste. The NPP sucks for Hp/TQ and so on... but when you add on all the other things for the price I caved in.

It "IS" BS for GM to be holding out important info on Spec's while people are putting in orders. The good thing is many are being held up by GM themselves so people will be able to make changes once the facts come out.

Ill Put my A.S. Degree against anyone when it comes to common sense. Other then that I'm F#$##ed..

 

Yeah, I get that, good post. Pretty much sums it up.

 

The arguement is about 10 times that difference. Some people have more accute senses than others.

 

Really? How many guys can drive car A and then car B both with the identical engine in a 0-60 fashion back to back and tell you which one is one tenth of one second "faster" every time? Absolutely stupid and ridiculous for anyone to think that they can do that.

 

Some of the members and that includes me do have a point regarding the release of the official specs. Some members are ordering the C8 and are still in limbo about the official specs. Most of us know what the magazine writers are about when it comes to their personal opinions and testing. So my question is....why can't GM disclose their official specs and testing before the magazine writers. And members are ordering the based on what. I'm just trying to make sense of this. The spec document that was passed on is what it is. We just don't know the rest and making assumptions. Just my. 02

 

I said some people have more accute senses, therefore it's possible someone could tell the difference. You thinking every person in the world couldn't is just as rediculous.

 

Yeah, that's right, anything is possible isn't it. It could snow in Miami next week also. LOL.