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Has anyone tried the Hawk Performance Ceramic Pads?
I used Hawk track/autocross on my SCCA race car, Chevy Cobalt SS for track days, Hawk performance Street for my HHR-SS and my first C5 Corvette street. With my racing experience with Hawk they are my go to replacement brakes. Street or Track. Very popular with SCCA road racers and regulars at the track day seen.
I used Hawk track/autocross on my SCCA race car, Chevy Cobalt SS for track days, Hawk performance Street for my HHR-SS and my first C5 Corvette street. With my racing experience with Hawk they are my go to replacement brakes. Street or Track. Very popular with SCCA road racers and regulars at the track day seen.
After my first track day at Lime Rock, I installed Hawk street pads and SS lines on my 2012 Callaway Camaro. When my C8 finally arrives, planning a ceramic swap out. I’ve read raves about the Carbo Tech pads but nothing about Hawk. Hope someone with actual use post the opinion
I don't know your experience level. When I was active I was doing 10 plus track days a year and 8 to 10 races. Most of my for fun track days were at the Glen the other were generally pre a race at NHI, VIR, Summit and Pocono. One day after the track shut down a bunch of regulars were in the Garage BBQinf hot dogs and drink beer and BSing talking about brake fluid. Each guy used a different fluid. The next day I tested 4 different fluids, I could tell the difference. I liked NAPA Dot3. I like the feel of the pedal, and each of the four had a different feel. One guy lover his Ford Dot3, I didn't. I did test a couple pads and preferred Hawks, and most of my friend raced with Hawk. My point is Brakes are a personal preference and but unless you have the time to put LOTS of flat out laps you will never know the difference. And I doubt only 1% of the C8 owners have the skill to do 9/10 laps let alone 10/10 laps. I know I don't and I have a simulator in my basement. The C8R is scary fast. I can't imagine cresting the SS at the Glen at 145.
I don't know your experience level. When I was active I was doing 10 plus track days a year and 8 to 10 races. Most of my for fun track days were at the Glen the other were generally pre a race at NHI, VIR, Summit and Pocono. One day after the track shut down a bunch of regulars were in the Garage BBQinf hot dogs and drink beer and BSing talking about brake fluid. Each guy used a different fluid. The next day I tested 4 different fluids, I could tell the difference. I liked NAPA Dot3. I like the feel of the pedal, and each of the four had a different feel. One guy lover his Ford Dot3, I didn't. I did test a couple pads and preferred Hawks, and most of my friend raced with Hawk. My point is Brakes are a personal preference and but unless you have the time to put LOTS of flat out laps you will never know the difference. And I doubt only 1% of the C8 owners have the skill to do 9/10 laps let alone 10/10 laps. I know I don't and I have a simulator in my basement. The C8R is scary fast. I can't imagine cresting the SS at the Glen at 145.
Thanks for the great info. I’ll check but pretty sure im using NAPA HD fluid. Stay tuned I have to find the invoice. Don’t know how much tracking I’ll actually do. The Camaro beat me up pretty good; the G2 seats should be a HUGE improvement.
Thanks for the great info. I’ll check but pretty sure im using NAPA HD fluid. Stay tuned I have to find the invoice. Don’t know how much tracking I’ll actually do. The Camaro beat me up pretty good; the G2 seats should be a HUGE improvement.
So grateful for your contributions
The other thing about track pads are they have to be HOT to work at 100%, Their working heat range is much higher the street pads and you really can't get the hot enough on the street. After my first track day week end with my C5 I only used track ready race prepared cars. My race car wasn't ever on the street. A friend I introduced to track days, we put track pads on his street car. He said his brakes were noticeable ineffective when cold.
I'd like to do one 7/10 day in my C8 but I doubt I will. I'd do it at the Glen, doing the SSS without lifting is a rush. On the long course T10 should be flat, but i never had the ***** to do it. The Glen is where I figured out racing is like playing chess at 100 mprs. You need to plan your passes 4 turns ahead, while doing over 100.
The other thing about track pads are they have to be HOT to work at 100%, Their working heat range is much higher the street pads and you really can't get the hot enough on the street. After my first track day week end with my C5 I only used track ready race prepared cars. My race car wasn't ever on the street. A friend I introduced to track days, we put track pads on his street car. He said his brakes were noticeable ineffective when cold.
I'd like to do one 7/10 day in my C8 but I doubt I will. I'd do it at the Glen, doing the SSS without lifting is a rush. On the long course T10 should be flat, but i never had the ***** to do it. The Glen is where I figured out racing is like playing chess at 100 mprs. You need to plan your passes 4 turns ahead, while doing over 100.
I’m planning o at least 1 track day with my C8 mainly as a point of comparison … I know it will be much better than my Camaro, but HOW much better is what I’m after.
And quite frankly, there’s a ton of setup required, some of which like changing camber and castor I’m not sure I’m ready to do, so I won’t be changing the stock pads straight away.
You have way more track experience than I will ever have and I appreciate your comments. My best day at The Glen was as a spectator when Fitipaldi won for the first time.
My best day at The Glen was as a spectator when Fitipaldi won for the first time.
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I was there TOOOOOO. It was a teenager's dream to see an F1 race at the Glen. It was my now wife, them girlfriend's first vacation. We camped in the "Bog" saw Gram Hill brake down right in front of us. Yes "Emerson" who? We went all the even years up to 1980. Remember this. Up on my office wall.
I’m planning o at least 1 track day with my C8 mainly as a point of comparison … I know it will be much better than my Camaro, but HOW much better is what I’m after.
And quite frankly, there’s a ton of setup required, some of which like changing camber and castor I’m not sure I’m ready to do, so I won’t be changing the stock pads straight away.
You have way more track experience than I will ever have and I appreciate your comments. My best day at The Glen was as a spectator when Fitipaldi won for the first time.
Cheers,
For me getting to race at the Glen was like a super baseball fan getting to play in his favorite ball park. My last race was a 3 hour Endoro. My RX7 with a co-driver. We won the NESCCA Endoro championship that year. There is just nothing like setting up the car ahead of you at the S/F line, taking the SS flat out and out braking then at the Busstop. I still get chills
My best day at The Glen was as a spectator when Fitipaldi won for the first time.
Cheers,
I was there TOOOOOO. It was a teenager's dream to see an F1 race at the Glen. It was my now wife, them girlfriend's first vacation. We camped in the "Bog" saw Gram Hill brake down right in front of us. Yes "Emerson" who? We went all the even years up to 1980. Remember this. Up on my office wall.
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We slept in the back of a station wagon. It was a very cold night. Must have woken up a dozen times to start the car and wait for heat.
[QUOTE=Only1cannoli;1604120019]I’m planning o at least 1 track day with my C8 mainly as a point of comparison … I know it will be much better than my Camaro, but HOW much better is what I’m after.
And quite frankly, there’s a ton of setup required, some of which like changing camber and castor I’m not sure I’m ready to do, so I won’t be changing the stock pads straight away.
If your only doing one track day it's not worth the set up changes. I've see some videos from guy who can and try to do 10/10 laps and the C8 has from the factory has some short comings. For me first of all no 5 point harness not real racing seat.
. but HOW much better is what I’m after. What is your experience, have you been signed off to solo, or intermediate or advanced.
If you are trying to do 10/10 laps sometime you do 11/10 and have to take you car home on a trailer. One day at the Glen I saw a new M3 on it's roof in T11, I think it was the first session of the day, cold tries? Another day a Mercedes in the guard rail out side T5 the instructor told me the driver wouldn't listen and was over driving his skills., and another day a car off at T1 (old with gravel trap) flipped on it's roof on the far guard rail, the driver was med evacked . And I totaled an "Arrive and Drive car" in T1. It was in a race, I got 3 wheel off and the car hocked. A photographer got a shot of me 3 off. The photo is above me on my trophy wall. I've done sever damage three other tines.
My point if you put a car on the track and try to do really fast laps, are you prepared to take you car home on a trailer. Or do you just want to do casual laps, lift at 130, brake at 500 at the bus stop. For me I'm afraid of the "Red Mist" and I don't want to take my C8 home on a trailer.
For most of my friends who race, our speedometers weren't hooked up, it wasn't about the speed it was about racing. One 2 hour Endor at Pocono the last half hour I was nose to tail with another car. We were never more than 10 feet apart, but of us driving 10/10. I was so full of adrenaline it took me 4 hours to come down.
Just take the C8 for some casual laps, enjoy it and bring it home on one piece.
I’m planning o at least 1 track day with my C8 mainly as a point of comparison … I know it will be much better than my Camaro, but HOW much better is what I’m after.
And quite frankly, there’s a ton of setup required, some of which like changing camber and castor I’m not sure I’m ready to do, so I won’t be changing the stock pads straight away.
If your only doing one track day it's not worth the set up changes. I've see some videos from guy who can and try to do 10/10 laps and the C8 has from the factory has some short comings. For me first of all no 5 point harness not real racing seat.
. but HOW much better is what I’m after. What is your experience, have you been signed off to solo, or intermediate or advanced.
If you are trying to do 10/10 laps sometime you do 11/10 and have to take you car home on a trailer. One day at the Glen I saw a new M3 on it's roof in T11, I think it was the first session of the day, cold tries? Another day a Mercedes in the guard rail out side T5 the instructor told me the driver wouldn't listen and was over driving his skills., and another day a car off at T1 (old with gravel trap) flipped on it's roof on the far guard rail, the driver was med evacked . And I totaled an "Arrive and Drive car" in T1. It was in a race, I got 3 wheel off and the car hocked. A photographer got a shot of me 3 off. The photo is above me on my trophy wall. I've done sever damage three other tines.
My point if you put a car on the track and try to do really fast laps, are you prepared to take you car home on a trailer. Or do you just want to do casual laps, lift at 130, brake at 500 at the bus stop. For me I'm afraid of the "Red Mist" and I don't want to take my C8 home on a trailer.
For most of my friends who race, our speedometers weren't hooked up, it wasn't about the speed it was about racing. One 2 hour Endor at Pocono the last half hour I was nose to tail with another car. We were never more than 10 feet apart, but of us driving 10/10. I was so full of adrenaline it took me 4 hours to come down.
Just take the C8 for some casual laps, enjoy it and bring it home on one piece.
Thanks again for the insight! To your first question, my 3rd time at Lime Rock I was cleared for solo but I opted for a trainer because I wanted help with correct procedure for downshifting/braking.
Not planning to do an actual race, evvaahh! Don’t even know what 10/10 laps are. My very first time racing was @ LR; instructor was shouting at me NOT to brake. That day I learned the value of tires. I was running my oem Pirelli Zeros. BTW it was raining too! I also has the pleasure of rising shotgun with the Callaway District Manager who drove his Grand Sport in what felt like skid pad ride except for the 2 straights.
I live about an hour from Sebring so that is most likely where I’ll track it! Not looking for a trailer ride home!
Honestly C8 at speed aren't for track inexperienced drivers. A long story, the short version: At Pocono the Big bore guys liked to run the NASCAR direction, front straight, t1 was flat, then flat down the Longpond straight, probably 1.5 mikes flat out. So Vettes like a C6 would be doing 140 -150 at the braking point for the tunnel turn. At the tinned turn back into the infield. Going the other way it was a second gear turn, the slowest in the North East. Any way this guy racing his Show Room Stock C6 missed his braking point and apex went sidewise into a jersey barrier and broke his neck. My personal belief is that weekend racers shouldn't be going the fast. I was chairmen for the Pocono race committee a year later for two years, We only raced counter NASCAR and used a chicane in the middles of the Longpond stright. And we changed the entry to T1.
I loved my 8 years racing, Driving on a track is great fun but very dangerous. I have an iRacing simulator in my basement, at the Glen in the C8R I'm doing 145 at the top of the SSS, 160 at the 300 braking point for the bus stop. But when I miss my mark no cost, just hit the reset button.
Honestly C8 at speed aren't for track inexperienced drivers. A long story, the short version: At Pocono the Big bore guys liked to run the NASCAR direction, front straight, t1 was flat, then flat down the Longpond straight, probably 1.5 mikes flat out. So Vettes like a C6 would be doing 140 -150 at the braking point for the tunnel turn. At the tinned turn back into the infield. Going the other way it was a second gear turn, the slowest in the North East. Any way this guy racing his Show Room Stock C6 missed his braking point and apex went sidewise into a jersey barrier and broke his neck. My personal belief is that weekend racers shouldn't be going the fast. I was chairmen for the Pocono race committee a year later for two years, We only raced counter NASCAR and used a chicane in the middles of the Longpond stright. And we changed the entry to T1.
I loved my 8 years racing, Driving on a track is great fun but very dangerous. I have an iRacing simulator in my basement, at the Glen in the C8R I'm doing 145 at the top of the SSS, 160 at the 300 braking point for the bus stop. But when I miss my mark no cost, just hit the reset button.
Appreciate the insight and not planning on channeling and Andretti's or doing any competitive racing. Wouldn't go it alone anywhere at my skill level except maybe Lime Rock and that's only because I tracked my Camaro there, plus I got to ride shotgun in a Grand Sport driven by the Callaway District Manager.
On a lighter note, at 10:51 pm I received an email from my sales rep and I'm getting THE CALL today! Really pumped! I'm #2521 on your list.
Well the day’s almost over and the call hasn’t come. Here’s the direct quote from P. Zwick, “ I will call Friday and help finish your build.”
I remain optimistic 🤩
I told Dave that Ciocca is the best at getting his buyers cars, better that all the guy who beat their own chests, But Ciocca sucks at communication. Just SUCK. He needs a director of Communication. One guy, who understands customer Com.
One recant example. When I got my letter to approve my GM Workbench Order. They could have explained the status codes and told me the difference ways I can track them. Little things like that give the customer warm and fuzzys. And spending what we are on a plastic toy it would be nice to see some warm and fuzzys
I told Dave that Ciocca is the best at getting his buyers cars, better that all the guy who beat their own chests, But Ciocca sucks at communication. Just SUCK. He needs a director of Communication. One guy, who understands customer Com.
One recant example. When I got my letter to approve my GM Workbench Order. They could have explained the status codes and told me the difference ways I can track them. Little things like that give the customer warm and fuzzys. And spending what we are on a plastic toy it would be nice to see some warm and fuzzys
Texted Paul about 6:30 last night; got an email at 10:41asking if it’s okay to call in the morning between 9-9:30. Just now (5:20am) replied YES!
I’ll report back later today. Think of it this way: I get a second day of anticipation. Two for the price of one!
🎹 C’est la vie say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell 🎸
Texted Paul about 6:30 last night; got an email at 10:41asking if it’s okay to call in the morning between 9-9:30. Just now (5:20am) replied YES!
I’ll report back later today. Think of it this way: I get a second day of anticipation. Two for the price of one!
🎹 C’est la vie say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell 🎸
Got a status report from Shane yesterday. I'm 1100 that's Dealer accepted waiting for an allocation. That's where I expected to be. I told Dave I could save him a phone call, He said OK. BBBT9N I guess I'm on the top of the pile.
Got a status report from Shane yesterday. I'm 1100 that's Dealer accepted waiting for an allocation. That's where I expected to be. I told Dave I could save him a phone call, He said OK. BBBT9N I guess I'm on the top of the pile.
Congratulations 🎉 I’m going to give Paul till 10:30 for my 9:00am call; then I’m calling him back.
