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Old Nov 20, 2023 | 11:18 AM
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Hate to bring this up again but Can the C8 be in neutral and stay in neutral for a length of time with the ignition off. I follow procedure in the manual and can exit vehicle and move it but green ignition light stays on, engine not running. Am I missing something or is the neutral function only good for a short period of time. Would like to leave it in neutral push it on the 2 post lift then roll it back when finished. Those of you that have a 2 post lift know what a PIA it is to get in and out of vehicle when in lift position.
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Old Nov 20, 2023 | 11:55 AM
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Following as well because I like to push (by hand) my car back and forth in the garage to make room sometimes, rather than starting it up and then having to run it for 20+ min to ensure it gets up to full operating temp.

Very used to doing this in my C5 Z06 (manual) but haven't been able to figure it out with the C8 Z06.

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Old Nov 20, 2023 | 03:15 PM
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Old Nov 20, 2023 | 03:19 PM
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You may get a 'rear axle off' message on the dash, but this message goes away and no codes active or historic will be set
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Old Nov 20, 2023 | 03:30 PM
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I don't know for sure but I think there needs to be constant current to be flowing through a solenoid to keep the parking pawl from engaging. So the battery would go dead after a while. Someone could try putting the car in neutral and disconnecting the battery to see what happens.
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Thats what I Might try but that also is a PIA
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I don't know for sure but I think there needs to be constant current to be flowing through a solenoid to keep the parking pawl from engaging. So the battery would go dead after a while. Someone could try putting the car in neutral and disconnecting the battery to see what happens.
There is some wording in the Service Manual that suggests that it might stay our of park if power is lost. I agree though, that unless it has been confirmed by a test, I would not count on it staying out of park.









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So if the car is already off, is there a way to put it in neutral without having to start the engine?

I don't want to start the engine because then you have to run it for 20+ minutes to burn off the excess fuel in the oil from the cold starts.
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Originally Posted by LE MANSZ
So if the car is already off, is there a way to put it in neutral without having to start the engine?

I don't want to start the engine because then you have to run it for 20+ minutes to burn off the excess fuel in the oil from the cold starts.
Not that I know of. Hydraulic pressure is required to move the parking pawl. The gear driven transmission fluid pump is part of the transmission assembly as shown attached, but it is driven by the input shaft to the transmission. The engine must be running drive the hydraulic pump.




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On the E-Ray they added an electric auxiliary hydraulic pump to be able to disengage the parking pawl without the engine running.
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On the E-Ray they added an electric auxiliary hydraulic pump to be able to disengage the parking pawl without the engine running.
I wonder how it taps into the lines? Looking at the diagram above, the filter mounts to the side of the transmission and looks as if it might be fed directly from the pump. Would the electric pump be added, or would it replace the gear driven pump? Either way it almost seems like a transmission mod might be necessary.
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Originally Posted by Andybump
I wonder how it taps into the lines? Looking at the diagram above, the filter mounts to the side of the transmission and looks as if it might be fed directly from the pump. Would the electric pump be added, or would it replace the gear driven pump? Either way it almost seems like a transmission mod might be necessary.
I'm pretty sure the electric hydraulic pump is in addition to the mechanical pump and its sole purpose is to provide some hydraulic pressure when the engine isn't running.
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Originally Posted by RKCRLR
I'm pretty sure the electric hydraulic pump is in addition to the mechanical pump and its sole purpose is to provide some hydraulic pressure when the engine isn't running.
But is a transmission mod necessary to allow the extra pump to tap into the transmission hydraulic lines? Meaning the E-ray transmission assembly will be slightly different from a Stingray transmission? I'm just observing the input to the filter is actually a opening directly against the side of the transmission case - and the mechanical filter feeds it somehow through that opening. So, assuming the electric pump also pumps through the filter - it will need to tap into something inside of the case where the mechanical pump resides. Perhaps they have all already been designed to receive the extra electric pump with the necessary taps.
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But is a transmission mod necessary to allow the extra pump to tap into the transmission hydraulic lines? Meaning the E-ray transmission assembly will be slightly different from a Stingray transmission? I'm just observing the input to the filter is actually a opening directly against the side of the transmission case - and the mechanical filter feeds it somehow through that opening. So, assuming the electric pump also pumps through the filter - it will need to tap into something inside of the case where the mechanical pump resides. Perhaps they have all already been designed to receive the extra electric pump with the necessary taps.
Haven't seen what the electric pump looks like, it would be interesting to see the 2024 service manual. GM may have a specific DCT casting for the E-Ray or they just put it inline/parallel with the mechanical pump somewhere, don't know. It looks like there are inlet/outlet tubes for the mechanical pump, and there is an outlet tube on the canister filter (but that would mean contamination generated by the pump would be unfiltered).
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