It's Simple Math
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Drifting
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It's Simple Math
GM announced that the hand build Z06 engines will be done by 10-12 engine builders. Now lets say each builder can build one or two per day. At one a day a tad less than 3000 per model year, and two per day equals a tad less than 6000 per year. Now how many deposits do you think the total is for every dealer in the US. Furthermore, how many more folks plan on a Z06 who have not given a deposit yet. The reality of the situation is that almost everyone wanting a Z06 will be waiting for many years if they get one, and most will not get one. Therefor, what makes sense to me is this: if you are the average Joe or Joline who does not own a C8 and wants a Z06 but has no plans to track the car, get a fully equipped C8 Z51. If you own a C8 and still want a Z06 (like I do), be patient. Be VERY patient!
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Nov 28, 2021, 12:42 PM
Melting Slicks
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GM announced that the hand build Z06 engines will be done by 10-12 engine builders. Now lets say each builder can build one or two per day. At one a day a tad less than 3000 per model year, and two per day equals a tad less than 6000 per year. Now how many deposits do you think the total is for every dealer in the US. Furthermore, how many more folks plan on a Z06 who have not given a deposit yet. The reality of the situation is that almost everyone wanting a Z06 will be waiting for many years if they get one, and most will not get one. Therefor, what makes sense to me is this: if you are the average Joe or Joline who does not own a C8 and wants a Z06 but has no plans to track the car, get a fully equipped C8 Z51. If you own a C8 and still want a Z06 (like I do), be patient. Be VERY patient!
Melting Slicks
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GM announced that the hand build Z06 engines will be done by 10-12 engine builders. Now lets say each builder can build one or two per day. At one a day a tad less than 3000 per model year, and two per day equals a tad less than 6000 per year. Now how many deposits do you think the total is for every dealer in the US. Furthermore, how many more folks plan on a Z06 who have not given a deposit yet. The reality of the situation is that almost everyone wanting a Z06 will be waiting for many years if they get one, and most will not get one. Therefor, what makes sense to me is this: if you are the average Joe or Joline who does not own a C8 and wants a Z06 but has no plans to track the car, get a fully equipped C8 Z51. If you own a C8 and still want a Z06 (like I do), be patient. Be VERY patient!
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THE ENGINES WILL NOT BE THE LIMITING FACTOR!
Sorry for the emboldened text, but this is the fourth of fifth time I've had to say it. Other Z06-specific components may be a limiting factor, but the LT6 won't be. And note the emphasis on "may".
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While waiting, take some poker chips with a chess board.
Put one on the first square, four (2^2) on the second, eight (2^3) on the third, etc.
By the time you get to the last square using 1/8th inch thick chips, the pile will be nearly six light years high.
That should occupy your time before your Z06 is ready.
Put one on the first square, four (2^2) on the second, eight (2^3) on the third, etc.
By the time you get to the last square using 1/8th inch thick chips, the pile will be nearly six light years high.
That should occupy your time before your Z06 is ready.
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Burning Brakes
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GM has already stated they are planning to devote at least 12 additional engine builders for the z. You might recall that the C7Z had an engine that was also hand built yet GM was not limited in their capacity to build the C7Z. This so called simple math calculation is based on virtually no information or awareness of the past corvette production capacity at Bowling Green. They may have other part limitations like chips or CF parts but building enough hand built engines will not be their rate limiting step in the C8Z
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Burning Brakes
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Exactly. It’s not like GM can’t mass produce cars with hand built motors. It’s been done before. This idle gloomy speculation is meaningless.
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And so did the C6 Z06, ZR1, and manual GS coupes. People keep acting as if everything GM is doing with the C8 is brand new and never been done before. When, in fact, they’re following the exact same processes as previous generations.
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Is it possible they start building and stocking up on the engines sooner than later, hopefully?
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Some have said the Stingray demand will go down due to customers opting for the Z06, but not everyone wants a Z06 and there is still a big wait list for the Stingray. Not sure I see the Stingray demand slowing that much in the next few years, even with a Z06 and E Ray in the mix.
As to the original topic of this post, been discussed on a ton of threads here. At the height of the c7 Z06 production, they were hand building engines at a pace that equates to over 11,000 per year in Bowling Green. The most accurate guesses probably start at that number and add or subtract from there.
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ZO6 will be 18-25% of base model depending on year. Lets not forget the Eray and ZR1 coming. The point has been made that engine production is not the limiting factor and that is correct. The production line time will be divided between 3 models by year end 2022.
Base 80%
ZO6 20%
Then when the Eray is released later 2022
Base 50%
Eray 30%
ZO6 20%
Just a guess so I can come back and act smart if those numbers are close. LOL
Base 80%
ZO6 20%
Then when the Eray is released later 2022
Base 50%
Eray 30%
ZO6 20%
Just a guess so I can come back and act smart if those numbers are close. LOL
Melting Slicks
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ZO6 will be 18-25% of base model depending on year. Lets not forget the Eray and ZR1 coming. The point has been made that engine production is not the limiting factor and that is correct. The production line time will be divided between 3 models by year end 2022.
Base 80%
ZO6 20%
Then when the Eray is released later 2022
Base 50%
Eray 30%
ZO6 20%
Just a guess so I can come back and act smart if those numbers are close. LOL
Base 80%
ZO6 20%
Then when the Eray is released later 2022
Base 50%
Eray 30%
ZO6 20%
Just a guess so I can come back and act smart if those numbers are close. LOL
Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12'-'13-'14-'15
I would be (pleasantly) surprised if the E-Ray comes out in 2022. There have been zero announcements/confirmations about it. I would think that GM would gives a heads up at least 6 months in advance. I would be surprised if they announced anything before the Z06 comes out. If they announced soon after delivery of the Z06 starts that would put start of the E-Ray sales in the beginning of 2023.
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I think they have their hands full… watching the various videos with the engineers they do mention they want to increase output. But a few questions remain, like the overall process required to build, fit custom shims, re check the motor, make needed adjustments then dyno. Did they dyno the C7 Z06 motors? I couldn’t find any information on that. This motor is more sophisticated based on their process so it will be interesting to see how many they can produce.
The bigger issue is supplies/parts. The current issues with the supply chain will be around for the foreseeable future, this will continue to impact production.
The bigger issue is supplies/parts. The current issues with the supply chain will be around for the foreseeable future, this will continue to impact production.
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While waiting, take some poker chips with a chess board.
Put one on the first square, four (2^2) on the second, eight (2^3) on the third, etc.
By the time you get to the last square using 1/8th inch thick chips, the pile will be nearly six light years high.
That should occupy your time before your Z06 is ready.
Put one on the first square, four (2^2) on the second, eight (2^3) on the third, etc.
By the time you get to the last square using 1/8th inch thick chips, the pile will be nearly six light years high.
That should occupy your time before your Z06 is ready.