First the C4 ZR1 LT5 was DOHC, not a push rod engine.

We do not know if the LT6 will have a derivative used elsewhere. I suspect it is the first of the Gen VI small block engines.

 

Ummmm, nope.

 

That's fine man, may even be true and I'm not trying to be rude at all but you don't have to come in this thread if talking about these things bother you. And I didn't get as many answers as you think really. I already know NA is more linear(debatable now days), sounds better (for sure), may not have heat issues. What I was curious about was why someone would really care about that so much if it won't be used at the track where most of those attributes shine and matter. Best answer I've seen is sound which again I knew. It wasn't meant to be about which is better, NA or FI. I saw a post where someone wrote about wanting a FPC and that's why they are stoked about the Z06 and that got me thinking. It was like people didn't realize you can have turbos on a FPC or something so I created this thread. I also started this thread because of you. Someone so excited, passionate about it I was like what gives, I have to try and figure this out .

This thread really did start out as a general curiosity as to why the normal Z buyers would care one way or the other, not the die hard's like yourself.

The one thing that does irk me a little is the nonchalant attitude you have about getting the ZR1 and that probably does keep the conversation going a little bit. I'll be surprised if they make 500 ZR1's if it's only a one model year car so between the most likely high price and low numbers it isn't gonna be easy to get. They only made like 3300 C7 ZR1's and now in the rona era you think it's gonna be a car that the masses are going to be able to get easily.... And if they make that ZR1 section there will probably be like 50 posters in there being how rare I'm assuming the ZR1 will be, that have the car at least. They should maybe instead start a Z06 modding section, that would be better served IMO. And you won man, let some people vent, you got your dream car, be happy. And I don't mean that in a dick sort of way, sincerely .

 

Yeah that's what I'm thinking as well. This is GM's coyote.

 

Lol - I stand corrected for how I wrote it. It’s quad cam as I said - and yes - I spilled one comment over to the other LT5 comment that GM naming convention in their infinite wisdom thought was a great idea to give them the same name…

 

All the evidence i needed

I knew i was right about this thread.

Ok i guess it's ok for the discussion to go on.

 

Seriously, that's what you took from that post

 

The C7 ZR1 LT5 is derived from the family of LT SBC motors, some of which were used in other than Corvette vehicles. A bigger blower doesn’t make it unique. The C4 LT5 was completely different and not derived from anything in the GM Powertrain catalog. In fact, Powertrain would not even display it in their lobby along w their other powerplants since it was Lotus designed.

 

Agreed - and that is the better point. First LT5 was Lotus derived.

 

I actually would've been ok with another LT4 or even an LT5 in the C8Z if it wasn't the LT6. Proven powerplant, easy to make power like everyone wanted, and familiar to everyone.

But IMHO, that would have made the C8Z worse. It would be like GM didn't care about making this last z06 a special one.

But that LT6 is just special. Every time i watch a new video on it, just makes me more excited to get the car already.

 

This is irrelevant. The LT5 was not used in anything else than the ZR1. That is a fact. There are also other differences than just a bigger blower, enough for it to have its own unique designation, but hopefully you know that and are just trying to be obtuse.

I wonder what some of you will say when GM releases new small blocks that use the same block architecture from the LT6. Will you then change your tune, since it will also be related to other small blocks, lol? Or we could say that the LT6 uses a 4.4" bore center so it is also related to other small blocks.

 

Yeah I'm glad they changed the engine, think it complements the car for sure.

 

I don’t think he’s being annoyingly insensitive or slow. Loved the Shawshank call back though lol…
That said - a first and only flat plane crank engine - already makes it a greater differentiator than any other GM Corvette engine in my opinion. With any of the other engines they built or had derived from other automakers - they were a lot more related and or adding a blower compared to the LT6. My point has always been GM wanted to do something very different with the C8Z. They wanted to try their hand at something all new for Corvette - and it sounds like they achieved it. It is new and shocking for many - but again there really is something for everyone in the C8 family. I recognize price will be an issue to some - and that sucks. That said - even the ZR1 or ZORA will likely be cheaper or as a Huracan EVO and definitely below the price point of a higher end Ferrari or Mclaren. They will also likely be quicker and faster.

 

A huracan EVO starts at over 200k.

For that you get.

An NA V10 (which will never sound better than the FPC V8 we got in the LT6)
630-640hp? (C8Z has 670hp)
442ft lbs of torque (C8Z has more? 460ft lbs?)
Full weight 3650lbs (C8Z about the same?)
Warranty (3 years only, but unlimited mileage in those 3 years)
1/4 mile (i searched and got 10.6 @ 130 although i think the performante does it in 10.4?)

If you look at the lambo site, it said it was the most successful V10 lambo they have. Meaning there is a huge following for this type of car spread out across all the car enthusiasts and their favorite car brand.

The C8Z will have more power, more torque, better warranty, and the same 1/4 mile time (until we see real world results) for less than HALF of what the huracan costs.

It really boggles me that some people aren't jumping out the window with excitement for this C8Z. Like GM really gave us the car everyone has been dreaming about that sports the Z06 badge. It is like the C6Z but better in every way.

 

The. Corvette brand team and engineers should be given a STANDING OVATION! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

 

I know you don't want to hear it but in my opinion you're comparing Lamborghini's Camaro to GM's Aventador. And as far as being the most successful V-10 probably has to do with being more affordable than it's big brother. I think most, obviously not all, are going to be getting the Z06 for the same reason. The same reason most probably get the Stingray instead of the Z06. Because that's the one they can afford or are willing to afford.

If it weren't for my ambition to add more power I'd be jumping out of that window with you. I had been dreaming of a C7Z that had traction. Can you imagine a built C7Z that just hooked at will and how crazy that would be? That being said it is going to be a badass car that is gonna take down some giants for sure. Hopefully I still get one.

 

There were quite a few rumors flying around on the Camaro forums that the LT6 was going in the Gen6 Z/28 (Al Op said the Z/28 would never be FI’d)…,but then it was said to be canceled. And now the Camaro may be on its way out.

 

So there's a guy who's on the bmw forum i'm on. He has a huracan, an R8, and M8 compeition and i think an M5?

He wants a C8Z. He has the money to get whatever he wants obviously. Already has the huracan.

GM has always been making corvettes that offer supercar performance for a 1/3 or sometimes a 1/4 of the price. The C8Z is no different.

GM didn't make the C8Z so owners can take it to cars and coffee, and for owners to remove the rear bumper to show off the turbos to race people on the highway 60-130 pulls. Pretty sure GM didn't even have a thought of that in their minds.

Their goal was to make the C8Z everything the C7Z wasn't. A proper track car.

I know i know. But who takes their corvette to the track? Z06 owners that have confidence in their Z06. That's who. And they'll get their chance with the C8Z.

The others who want 60-130 monsters, either pick up a low mileage C7Z and build that, or wait for the C8ZR. It's that simple.

 

So in 14 pages of going around in circles about NA vs forced induction, has a single person had their mind changed? lol

 

This thread would've made A LOT of sense if this was pre-10-26-21.

But now? It doesn't make sense at all lol.

When will there be a ZR1 section so they can discuss possible TT options for that car?