Why NA?
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I just happen to think the Z will exceed my expectations and essentially perform better than my GT3 and about the same as the Performante. There is no way I would pass at the chance to own the Z. Also, I’m looking forward to having the HTC which will be my first convertible ever.
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I just happen to think the Z will exceed my expectations and essentially perform better than my GT3 and about the same as the Performante. There is no way I would pass at the chance to own the Z. Also, I’m looking forward to having the HTC which will be my first convertible ever.
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I just happen to think the Z will exceed my expectations and essentially perform better than my GT3 and about the same as the Performante. There is no way I would pass at the chance to own the Z. Also, I’m looking forward to having the HTC which will be my first convertible ever.
To think how crazy people were by dropping out of the list so early, even before the reveal. Like at least wait to see it and the final powertrain first lol.
I also can't wait to get mine. Might be a first MY but if not, i'm definitely getting a 2nd MY. The only issue i have is what color. I'm starting to back out of CMG now. I think i want AO!
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I agree!!
To think how crazy people were by dropping out of the list so early, even before the reveal. Like at least wait to see it and the final powertrain first lol.
I also can't wait to get mine. Might be a first MY but if not, i'm definitely getting a 2nd MY. The only issue i have is what color. I'm starting to back out of CMG now. I think i want AO!
To think how crazy people were by dropping out of the list so early, even before the reveal. Like at least wait to see it and the final powertrain first lol.
I also can't wait to get mine. Might be a first MY but if not, i'm definitely getting a 2nd MY. The only issue i have is what color. I'm starting to back out of CMG now. I think i want AO!
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First let me put out a few disclaimers. I know we got NA and that's not gonna change, I know it sounds a little better and it's supposedly a little easier to drive on the track although with modern electronics that's probably debatable. This post isn't intended to troll or start arguments, I'm just genuinely trying to understand the fascination or draw to an NA motor.
If you're a track guy, okay, fair enough. Problem with that is a fraction of Corvette owners track their cars so that negates the need for NA for the track as it won't cater to the larger Z06 audience.
If it's the driving experience a huge amount of Corvette owners will be lucky to put a thousand miles a year on their car as well as probably never see 8600 rpm, which is fine. They can do what they want with their car, no business of mine but it does make me wonder why people care about the so called visceral driving experience when they barely drive their cars. Again that's fine, I just personally wouldn't be so picky about the engine of a car that I was gonna barely drive, could just be me though.
The sound, okay I concede. Na sounds better but FI doesn't sound bad imo. I'd gladly take the performance over sound.
Is it different because it's an NA FPC vs CPC and because I've never driven an NA FPC I just don't understand? Closest I've driven would be a coyote (far cry I know) but owning many normal V8's has done nothing for me to make me passionate about NA.
I guess it boils down to this, if you're not gonna track your car why do you care if it's NA or not? Why are you excited about NA?
Again I know this is a touchy subject and I mean no disrespect to anyone, just generally trying to understand the desire for NA is all as I truly don't understand being that passionate about NA. The only reason I care about FI is it's basically the only way to get power, if it wasn't for that I could genuinely care less.
I know I'm outnumbered so I hope you guys won't flame me too bad
If you're a track guy, okay, fair enough. Problem with that is a fraction of Corvette owners track their cars so that negates the need for NA for the track as it won't cater to the larger Z06 audience.
If it's the driving experience a huge amount of Corvette owners will be lucky to put a thousand miles a year on their car as well as probably never see 8600 rpm, which is fine. They can do what they want with their car, no business of mine but it does make me wonder why people care about the so called visceral driving experience when they barely drive their cars. Again that's fine, I just personally wouldn't be so picky about the engine of a car that I was gonna barely drive, could just be me though.
The sound, okay I concede. Na sounds better but FI doesn't sound bad imo. I'd gladly take the performance over sound.
Is it different because it's an NA FPC vs CPC and because I've never driven an NA FPC I just don't understand? Closest I've driven would be a coyote (far cry I know) but owning many normal V8's has done nothing for me to make me passionate about NA.
I guess it boils down to this, if you're not gonna track your car why do you care if it's NA or not? Why are you excited about NA?
Again I know this is a touchy subject and I mean no disrespect to anyone, just generally trying to understand the desire for NA is all as I truly don't understand being that passionate about NA. The only reason I care about FI is it's basically the only way to get power, if it wasn't for that I could genuinely care less.
I know I'm outnumbered so I hope you guys won't flame me too bad
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But if you want to talk marketing, then yes front-mid-engine does have performance/handling advantages over front-engine. And then rear-mid-engine being the next step up in performance, it's advantages becoming most apparent with higher powered cars due to the traction advantages.
Also, go look up what car currently holds the Nürburgring production car lap record. Hint: it's a front-mid-engine car.
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Don't know if you will see this, this thread is getting long. I Roll Race, do Top Speed, Standing Half and Mile events, so I want high HP. I was hoping for a 775HP twin turbo Z06. My target car is the Mclaren 720S, it is a monster - 2 wheel drive with an amazing launch control, twin turbo, flat plane crank that annihilates the 2019 ZR1; which is supposed to have more HP (the 720S is very underrated by the factory). Now don't get me wrong the 214MPH top speed has the ZR1 in Supercar territory, I love them, wish I had one. I would love to be able to line up with a 720S in a mid engine corvette and go toe to toe; guess my next hope is the ZR1. Anyway, to answer your original question, I have no need for NA, there are too many examples of TT cars that are wicked on the track, IMO. Different strokes for different folks.
Stock drag times have the 720S beating the C7 ZR1.
Road Course - At VIR and The Ring, stock for stock - The C7 ZR1 has beaten the 720S by a wide margin.
I have driven the 765LT - What a car. I would suggest getting that over the 720S (If you can do it).
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McLaren's are awesome cars for sure - I really like them. The fastest Modified McLaren 720S put down a 8.85 second quarter mile time. AMP owns the record quarter mile time for the C7 ZR1 which currently is 8.39 seconds.
Stock drag times have the 720S beating the C7 ZR1.
Road Course - At VIR and The Ring, stock for stock - The C7 ZR1 has beaten the 720S by a wide margin.
I have driven the 765LT - What a car. I would suggest getting that over the 720S (If you can do it).
Stock drag times have the 720S beating the C7 ZR1.
Road Course - At VIR and The Ring, stock for stock - The C7 ZR1 has beaten the 720S by a wide margin.
I have driven the 765LT - What a car. I would suggest getting that over the 720S (If you can do it).
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Don't know if you will see this, this thread is getting long. I Roll Race, do Top Speed, Standing Half and Mile events, so I want high HP. I was hoping for a 775HP twin turbo Z06. My target car is the Mclaren 720S, it is a monster - 2 wheel drive with an amazing launch control, twin turbo, flat plane crank that annihilates the 2019 ZR1; which is supposed to have more HP (the 720S is very underrated by the factory). Now don't get me wrong the 214MPH top speed has the ZR1 in Supercar territory, I love them, wish I had one. I would love to be able to line up with a 720S in a mid engine corvette and go toe to toe; guess my next hope is the ZR1. Anyway, to answer your original question, I have no need for NA, there are too many examples of TT cars that are wicked on the track, IMO. Different strokes for different folks.
The 720s is one of my dream cars, never driven one but they definitely seem like a beast for sure. That was pretty much my target as well. I know the C8Z isn't a drag car but I was hoping to see factory numbers in the low low 10's to be competitive with the 720s.
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McLaren's are awesome cars for sure - I really like them. The fastest Modified McLaren 720S put down a 8.85 second quarter mile time. AMP owns the record quarter mile time for the C7 ZR1 which currently is 8.39 seconds.
Stock drag times have the 720S beating the C7 ZR1.
Road Course - At VIR and The Ring, stock for stock - The C7 ZR1 has beaten the 720S by a wide margin.
I have driven the 765LT - What a car. I would suggest getting that over the 720S (If you can do it).
Stock drag times have the 720S beating the C7 ZR1.
Road Course - At VIR and The Ring, stock for stock - The C7 ZR1 has beaten the 720S by a wide margin.
I have driven the 765LT - What a car. I would suggest getting that over the 720S (If you can do it).
Our beloved z06 will have it's hand full with the GT3/RS cars!!
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This all said - the C8Z isn’t a straight line car. It’s a NA high rpm flat plane setup - and the cars first design purpose - is to run on a road course. And it will beat most existing cars and past cars alike - doing so.
People keep comparing the NA C8Z to FI cars - which don’t sound like a NA flat plane car - because the turbos literally muffle the sound - and lose rpm because the powerband is shifted lower in most cases with FI. I don’t want that - I want the sound and the first and last NA FPC purity.
I get it - it seems many people want an all rounder - the C8 ZR1 will be it. Not the C8Z. It isn’t an all rounder. This C8Z is made to be like the euro mid engine cars of the not so distant past.
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I have been running 1/2 for the past 10 years - and the C8Z is not the car for you. The 720S is also not even in the same league as almost any car - and the price is isn’t even close either. The C7 ZR1 - maybe it’s the competitions I was at - but I ran higher MPH in my bone stock car than three different C7 ZR1’s did.
This all said - the C8Z isn’t a straight line car. It’s a NA high rpm flat plane setup - and the cars first design purpose - is to run on a road course. And it will beat lost existing cars and past cars alike - doing so.
People keep comparing the NA C8Z to FI cars - which don’t sound like a NA flat plane car - because the turbos literally muffle the sound - and lose rpm because the powerband is shifted lower in most cases with FI. I don’t want that - I want the sound and the first and last NA FPC purity.
I get it - it seems many people want an all rounder - the C8 ZR1 will be it. Not the C8Z. This C8Z is made to be like the euro mid engine cars of the not so distant past.
This all said - the C8Z isn’t a straight line car. It’s a NA high rpm flat plane setup - and the cars first design purpose - is to run on a road course. And it will beat lost existing cars and past cars alike - doing so.
People keep comparing the NA C8Z to FI cars - which don’t sound like a NA flat plane car - because the turbos literally muffle the sound - and lose rpm because the powerband is shifted lower in most cases with FI. I don’t want that - I want the sound and the first and last NA FPC purity.
I get it - it seems many people want an all rounder - the C8 ZR1 will be it. Not the C8Z. This C8Z is made to be like the euro mid engine cars of the not so distant past.
Like for instance the C63AMG won't have the V8 anymore, it's going to be a hybrid 4cyl. Are people mad about it? Of course. So what are they doing about it? They're getting the previous generation C63 and keeping that. OR............they're simply looking at different cars.
The same definitely applies here lol
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I still find it strange, like i can't wrap my head around it no matter how much i think about it, that someone hopes GM would build a track oriented car that will take down exotic cars 3 times the price on the street, on the highway lol.
Like for instance the C63AMG won't have the V8 anymore, it's going to be a hybrid 4cyl. Are people mad about it? Of course. So what are they doing about it? They're getting the previous generation C63 and keeping that. OR............they're simply looking at different cars.
The same definitely applies here lol
Like for instance the C63AMG won't have the V8 anymore, it's going to be a hybrid 4cyl. Are people mad about it? Of course. So what are they doing about it? They're getting the previous generation C63 and keeping that. OR............they're simply looking at different cars.
The same definitely applies here lol
Jay Leno called it - he said the community would have a very hard time with the C8Z.
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Big displacement and NA are important to me. My 700 hp Z06 is NA. It's all engine. My '09 Z06 and my 2021 Z51 are also NA. I can't effing stand my wife's 2020 Subaru Outback Touring XT with it's stupid turbo engine. Power is NOT linear, and unless you floor it off of the line, it's always searching for the correct gear and power delivery. I'll go old school and say there is no replacement for displacement. Side note: I do miss my 1998 Toyota Supra Turbo. Oops on my part for selling.
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But that's not what a z06 should be IMHO. Like if there was a reiteration of the LS7 that found it's way into the C7Z instead of the LT4, i'm sure that would have done just as well in sales. And then the C7ZR would still sport the LT5 etc.
The fact is the C7Z was an anomaly. And the exploded interest in this NA C8Z is proof of that. People are coming from all other car brands to get this car. People are talking about this car when they have NEVER talked about previous generation corvettes before. Before the C7ZR debuted, no one really cared.
Look at what GM witnessed with the intro to the C8 stingray, and then again with the C8Z. It shocked the world. Everyone became a corvette fan now. I've seen it on the various forums i'm on. They all say the same thing. "i never was a corvette fan but i'm really liking this C8 z06". All the same thing.
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And also if people are like me I have zero issue with the C8Z other than lack of FI. I wouldn't even care about it being NA if it weren't for wanting to be able to add more power at some point.
Not arguing, just explaining the logic. All the previous Z's were beasts that had relatively unlimited potential that the majority could buy, we'll have to wait and see how this one is gonna end up. Gonna be a badass car either way.
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Exactly. It is common knowledge when people say mid-engine it means behind the driver. You always get the few that feel the need to remind everyone that the corvette has been "mid-engine" for years, lol.
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I still find it strange, like i can't wrap my head around it no matter how much i think about it, that someone hopes GM would build a track oriented car that will take down exotic cars 3 times the price on the street, on the highway lol.
I’m not sure that everybody expects the Z06 to beat cars three times its price. Me, for one, would have preferred a FI engine. Part of the attraction of American cars that are FI, or any cars for that matter, is that with FI with a very slight amount of money you can significantly improve the performance of the car.
A lot of people enjoy taking a car putting five grand into it and beating up on cars three times the cost.
General Motors, as you know, for years and years has made cars that are the foundation for an enthusiast.
Obviously, this motor combination will not be mod friendly and as stated in this forum, many have no desire to mod the car.
And that is totally fine for some people, the car will probably be amazing the way it is, so just leave it alone and drive it.
I’m sure I’m a dying breed, but there’s still a few people like me that like to modify cars.
Actually, after following along these last couple threads of FPC and NA, I’m really hoping they make a GS.
You’d have the fit and finish and widebody of the Z06/ZR1, then maybe buy an LT5 crate motor…who knows?
I’m not sure that everybody expects the Z06 to beat cars three times its price. Me, for one, would have preferred a FI engine. Part of the attraction of American cars that are FI, or any cars for that matter, is that with FI with a very slight amount of money you can significantly improve the performance of the car.
A lot of people enjoy taking a car putting five grand into it and beating up on cars three times the cost.
General Motors, as you know, for years and years has made cars that are the foundation for an enthusiast.
Obviously, this motor combination will not be mod friendly and as stated in this forum, many have no desire to mod the car.
And that is totally fine for some people, the car will probably be amazing the way it is, so just leave it alone and drive it.
I’m sure I’m a dying breed, but there’s still a few people like me that like to modify cars.
Actually, after following along these last couple threads of FPC and NA, I’m really hoping they make a GS.
You’d have the fit and finish and widebody of the Z06/ZR1, then maybe buy an LT5 crate motor…who knows?
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I'm assuming some like myself don't really consider it a track focused car aside from the engine. If it was a bare bones model to drop weight, purpose built then sure but that's not the case. To me it seems like a car that's meant to do all things well, track focused cars to me are cars like the GT3RS and GT2RS, etc. Car's that the majority think aren't good daily drivers. And it's also unfair in my opinion to compare the the old Z's as being NA because of the driving experience NA gives, they didn't need to be FI in that time because the HP they had was good for the times.
And also if people are like me I have zero issue with the C8Z other than lack of FI. I wouldn't even care about it being NA if it weren't for wanting to be able to add more power at some point.
Not arguing, just explaining the logic. All the previous Z's were beasts that had relatively unlimited potential that the majority could buy, we'll have to wait and see how this one is gonna end up. Gonna be a badass car either way.
And also if people are like me I have zero issue with the C8Z other than lack of FI. I wouldn't even care about it being NA if it weren't for wanting to be able to add more power at some point.
Not arguing, just explaining the logic. All the previous Z's were beasts that had relatively unlimited potential that the majority could buy, we'll have to wait and see how this one is gonna end up. Gonna be a badass car either way.
The car is near equal (at least) or better performing than the Huracan EVO. We will find out where it lands when it is tested. All Corvettes are now built with comfort in mind - as really - almost all cars are today - performance and otherwise. Heavier. More luxury.
When I say all rounder - the ZR1 is that car. It does everything extremely well - better than the Z06 - including road course. It has more power and is the most expensive. It is their range topping car.
For point one - the Corvette community - many of them - feel the same as you. You are definitely not alone - and Jay Leno called it - that many in the community would struggle with a euro spec car - which is what this car is. I would say the majority of US performance car owners are about straight line performance. While there is a large road course community - it isn’t the majority in my opinion. And the modding community in the US is major.
GM made this car for a purpose - just to do it. And show that they can. This is it for the larger displacement V8 cars - the President says so in the intro video - they are only doing a mid engine Corvette once. The Top Gear guy said it as well - there will be other versions of the C8 - but this is the one that will stand out - for the very reason it is different and no one else is doing it. Or will do it after.
Like the other poster stated above - Mercedes has already announced their next AMG cars - are non-V8. This is it. So the C8Z is a very specific variant - and weight has nothing to do with it. This car will not be for everyone as we can see from the feedback here. And that is okay.
