Why NA?
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The C8Z is a PROPER z06. With the NA engine.
Well no offense intended but that wouldn't be good enough for me and luckily with the C7Z I had an choice. The C8Z not so much by the looks of it. The point is we've always had a choice until now. Still an awesome car but it is most likely gonna stay what it is minus a few that can afford to break open the motor.
That's exactly what I'm saying, you would be happy and love it either way so it shouldn't matter to you if it's NA or not. I on the other hand am limited for what my plans were for this car.
If you have plans to modify a C8, get a stingray. Because i think there's already twin turbo kits available for that. It'll save you money and you'll have more power than a stock C8Z. It's a win win for you.
I pray you're wrong but only time will tell. That takes away a huge dynamic of the car world. I never thought I'd utter the words but I might not even be a car enthusiast anymore if that's the case. I mean if they make a factory car fast enough then sure, there's no need for modding but my definition of fast is way different than a 10.6 in the quarter.
Oh it's a nice car for sure, no doubt about it.
Oh it's a nice car for sure, no doubt about it.
I think i was one of the first to kept saying it over and over to the point where people saw my username, and automatically referred to it as a guy who said NA goodness lol. So i stopped saying that and just put it in my avatar. I been dreaming, and praying, and preaching it for so long that when it finally happened, dude i can't tell you how much i celebrated.
When i was watching the reveal live on facebook, i had to excuse myself at work, went into the break room and sat in a corner and i had tears in my eyes. LITERALLY lol. I had tears when tadge said, "the only way to achieve was to do the highest horsepower naturally aspirated V8 that's ever done in automotive history".
I couldn't believe it. My heart sank. It sounds corny but it was like watching your lottery numbers come up on the TV live. You're thinking, "it finally happened!!!"
I might be the most excited forum member here for this NA z06. I just LOVE a proper NA engine. And a V8 engine that sounds like a ferrari??? Dude lol. GM did us a favor.
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Nice, AMS is who built my car, my EVO. A fairly well known Evo in the mid 2000's. I wish I could afford more than one car to play with but I can't. That's why I want a car that does all things very well and had had high hopes for the C8Z which is still an awesome car, just didn't seem to do quite what I wanted but we'll see.
The problem with a one car solution - is that an NA car just ain’t the easiest and especially most economical platform to mod for bigger power. The ZR1 will be that car in the C8 family - and it will be expensive if anyone can land one at msrp.
I do not think this will be the car for you - because despite the 10.6 1/4 - it likely won’t feel like a 10.6 car because the low end won’t feel equal (even with the shorter gearing and torque multiplication). And without a way to mod without a full FI setup - it’s going to underwhelm you. You could flip the C8Z - make some coin and buy the ZR1. It’s probably the best path if I were you.
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It seems somewhat obvious to me that most engine modifications that someone would perform to the Z06 would make the car slower. GM did not leave anything on the table with this engine. Possibly increasing the redline a little that they probably limited due to warranty concerns. If you have to change the exhaust , OK, but you may inadvertently change the backpressure timing and lose the over N/A pressure. Hopefully GM used minimally restrictive cats but maybe there is something there.
I have to believe that most of you have never owned a 1,000 crotch rocket. If you had, you would very quickly get over your obsession with 1/4 mile times. I am sorry, but any car is painfully slow when compared to bikes. As has been stated the Z06/Z07 is meant for the track at a semi affordable price. Sure the ZR1 will have more power but it will weigh more and in the wrong place.
This engine is a masterpiece of design and it's from America.
I have to believe that most of you have never owned a 1,000 crotch rocket. If you had, you would very quickly get over your obsession with 1/4 mile times. I am sorry, but any car is painfully slow when compared to bikes. As has been stated the Z06/Z07 is meant for the track at a semi affordable price. Sure the ZR1 will have more power but it will weigh more and in the wrong place.
This engine is a masterpiece of design and it's from America.
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Lol. I’m glad you love your C6Z06. It’s a great car.
I will happily answer your questions.
First - yes - the C6Z was very quick and fast for its time and it was light weight. LS7 is the best sounding cross-plane crank engine GM has ever made in my opinion.
I will first address your first point - why isn’t the C8Z faster (you mean quicker) than everyone else today in a straight line?
First - for production cars it competes with (despite being a road course car) - I actually believe it is in fact the quickest car in its class and price point. It is a GT3 fighter? (despite being much cheaper) - and it is quicker and faster than the 992.1 GT3 (they run high 10’s at 125-126 MPH). So - as I have asked you specifically - correct me if I am wrong - what bone stock cars does the C8Z not beat - 1/4 mile - today? Beware of the price tags as you attempt to list them. You have said the C8Z is average performance wise - and you are unimpressed. So - Let’s hear your list of stock cars that beat it.
Now you will say “oh ya?! - well the 2006 C6Z beat the Gallardo! It’s a much more expensive car!” Yes it did and was. The Gallardo was also pretty much a performance flop until 2010-2013 when VW took more direct control of the designs, engineering and manufacturing. But - again - yes it is was quicker - when Gallardos were running what high high 11’s and low 12’s? And herein lay the challenge. Cars are now running 10’s - many cars - even heavy luxury GT cars like a F90 M5 or E63S. You have the Huracan, Porsche GT and Turbo cars, most Ferrari’s, all Mclarens (including the 9 second 720/765 cars) etc.
The performance level - today - is so far above what the performance level was then - it’s ridiculous. Nurburgring time - mid 7’s to high 7 minutes for the Turbo and C6Z. It’s ancient level performance actually. I’m sure you know - if you have any experience with racing - that every tenth of a second becomes more and more difficult - the quicker you get. It is much more difficult to go from a 10 second car to a 9 second car than it is to go from a 12 second car to an 11 second car.
So it becomes extremely difficult to out do each other as it was back in the day. I do not believe we will ever see again - huge jumps - like you did back those many years ago. The closest we have come is the half million dollar 720S/765 with their high 9 and mid 9 second performance. And that is about 3-5 tenths off of the quickest of everything else. If anything it’s the EVs that have trounced everything to a similar level of the distant past. So to be the yard stick a GTR or C6Z was - isn’t happening. Just as it hasn’t for Corvette since the C6Z - because everything the automotive performance world became hyper-competitive close and no one had that much of an edge despite HP numbers increasing exponentially. High tech improvements for DCT transmissions, traction management and launch control (etc) have evened the field. Cars are routinely running sub 3 second 0-60. Even the 4500 lb F90 M5C. On that note:
Weight.
Simple. Everything is heavy. It’s a moot point. People want luxury and performance - and they are getting it. Mid 10 second 1/4 car and drives like a Caddy. GM went that route using their Ferrari adopted magnetorhelogical suspension into the C6 ZR1. And it was heavier than the C6Z. Heavier helps smooth. Buyers want smooth and power - so weight is added - to everything. It’s just business.
Again - I don’t know why you are in a sub forum about the C8Z if you despise it so much lol - but all of these points you are making don’t equate when you look at context (the time) and actual data.
If you want a super light manual 11 second car - you need to stay where you are at. And it is a great car - as I said above. Modify it with a simple HCI setup and you will be very competitive with a tire and if you can drive with some of the modern cars out today.
Stock - like the C8Z. Not so much.
I will happily answer your questions.
First - yes - the C6Z was very quick and fast for its time and it was light weight. LS7 is the best sounding cross-plane crank engine GM has ever made in my opinion.
I will first address your first point - why isn’t the C8Z faster (you mean quicker) than everyone else today in a straight line?
First - for production cars it competes with (despite being a road course car) - I actually believe it is in fact the quickest car in its class and price point. It is a GT3 fighter? (despite being much cheaper) - and it is quicker and faster than the 992.1 GT3 (they run high 10’s at 125-126 MPH). So - as I have asked you specifically - correct me if I am wrong - what bone stock cars does the C8Z not beat - 1/4 mile - today? Beware of the price tags as you attempt to list them. You have said the C8Z is average performance wise - and you are unimpressed. So - Let’s hear your list of stock cars that beat it.
Now you will say “oh ya?! - well the 2006 C6Z beat the Gallardo! It’s a much more expensive car!” Yes it did and was. The Gallardo was also pretty much a performance flop until 2010-2013 when VW took more direct control of the designs, engineering and manufacturing. But - again - yes it is was quicker - when Gallardos were running what high high 11’s and low 12’s? And herein lay the challenge. Cars are now running 10’s - many cars - even heavy luxury GT cars like a F90 M5 or E63S. You have the Huracan, Porsche GT and Turbo cars, most Ferrari’s, all Mclarens (including the 9 second 720/765 cars) etc.
The performance level - today - is so far above what the performance level was then - it’s ridiculous. Nurburgring time - mid 7’s to high 7 minutes for the Turbo and C6Z. It’s ancient level performance actually. I’m sure you know - if you have any experience with racing - that every tenth of a second becomes more and more difficult - the quicker you get. It is much more difficult to go from a 10 second car to a 9 second car than it is to go from a 12 second car to an 11 second car.
So it becomes extremely difficult to out do each other as it was back in the day. I do not believe we will ever see again - huge jumps - like you did back those many years ago. The closest we have come is the half million dollar 720S/765 with their high 9 and mid 9 second performance. And that is about 3-5 tenths off of the quickest of everything else. If anything it’s the EVs that have trounced everything to a similar level of the distant past. So to be the yard stick a GTR or C6Z was - isn’t happening. Just as it hasn’t for Corvette since the C6Z - because everything the automotive performance world became hyper-competitive close and no one had that much of an edge despite HP numbers increasing exponentially. High tech improvements for DCT transmissions, traction management and launch control (etc) have evened the field. Cars are routinely running sub 3 second 0-60. Even the 4500 lb F90 M5C. On that note:
Weight.
Simple. Everything is heavy. It’s a moot point. People want luxury and performance - and they are getting it. Mid 10 second 1/4 car and drives like a Caddy. GM went that route using their Ferrari adopted magnetorhelogical suspension into the C6 ZR1. And it was heavier than the C6Z. Heavier helps smooth. Buyers want smooth and power - so weight is added - to everything. It’s just business.
Again - I don’t know why you are in a sub forum about the C8Z if you despise it so much lol - but all of these points you are making don’t equate when you look at context (the time) and actual data.
If you want a super light manual 11 second car - you need to stay where you are at. And it is a great car - as I said above. Modify it with a simple HCI setup and you will be very competitive with a tire and if you can drive with some of the modern cars out today.
Stock - like the C8Z. Not so much.
The simple answer to my last question, which I was not even addressing to you, is they could have made it quick enough to beat the cars I mentioned above with twins and keep it in the same price range and weight. Obviously they can't make the car as light as the C6Z and keep it under 100K. Only way is with forced induction
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I think what is lost - is that the C8Z is the first exotic class Corvette. FPC NA high revving. Like a Ferrari and Lamborghini. This is a mid engine car. Again as Jay Leno said - it was going to be a tough pill to swallow for many American car enthusiasts who aren’t used to that concept and type of car - who are used to low end - push rod power.
Again…the C8 ZR1 will be FI - maybe even EV assist - which will be quicker and faster than the C8Z in every way (the ZR1 has always been quicker and faster than the Z06 in every way). The C8Z is still Performante quick and fast - which is solid.
It isn’t about “cool aid” it is about a different car - that GM has never made before - which is unique to Corvette. It isn’t for everyone - but as the numbers of down payments have shown - a lot of people get it - and want it.
Again…the C8 ZR1 will be FI - maybe even EV assist - which will be quicker and faster than the C8Z in every way (the ZR1 has always been quicker and faster than the Z06 in every way). The C8Z is still Performante quick and fast - which is solid.
It isn’t about “cool aid” it is about a different car - that GM has never made before - which is unique to Corvette. It isn’t for everyone - but as the numbers of down payments have shown - a lot of people get it - and want it.
I hear ya dude and I’m all for it. I can’t wait but I still wish it had more lol. Why? I don’t know but more is always more I guess. 😁 in truth it’s going to be fantastic in every way and yes I was one who considered a huracan recently but decided to save like almost half the cost and wait for the z. I’m glad I did.
Still if the zr1 is obtainable. I’m on mike’s list for that too, then I might trade into that if it’s totally bad ***. I drove the huracan evo and thought it was great so I’m cool with it being na.
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But you'd be wrong though lol. Every single poll before the reveal when people were guessing what engine would be in the z06 (and there was a thread where people thought it was a hybrid V6 lol) and the NA poll SHATTERED the TT polls. Every single one of them. The NA outnumbered the TT votes. People long for something like this for years. Again like what was said, the C7Z was an anomaly. It was a hiccup at the last minute to sell a car. It's an incredible car. I'm not saying it was a bust. It was a huge success but that was because most owners had no choice. The C7ZR was a one year only, that came at the last MY of the generation. And the grandsport had the same power as the stingray. So people gravitated towards the z06. It was a perfect (but flawed) street car for under 85k MSRP. There was no lose in that situation.
The C8Z is a PROPER z06. With the NA engine.
The C8Z is a PROPER z06. With the NA engine.
No offense but GM doesn't care about people who want to buy their corvettes to modify. You still have a choice. No one is saying the z06 is the last car ever to buy before we all die. If the C8Z seems like a limited car to modify, you need to look elsewhere. Pondering why GM did this week after week, month after month after the reveal date is only going to make you crazy dude lol.
. I am disappointed for sure but that isn't going to change what we got so there's no reason to harp on it. I was more or less just explaining my viewpoint on it is all. 
I'm sure you've been wrong before, and I didn't say you were, just that I hope you are
I think i was one of the first to kept saying it over and over to the point where people saw my username, and automatically referred to it as a guy who said NA goodness lol. So i stopped saying that and just put it in my avatar. I been dreaming, and praying, and preaching it for so long that when it finally happened, dude i can't tell you how much i celebrated.
When i was watching the reveal live on facebook, i had to excuse myself at work, went into the break room and sat in a corner and i had tears in my eyes. LITERALLY lol. I had tears when tadge said, "the only way to achieve was to do the highest horsepower naturally aspirated V8 that's ever done in automotive history".
I couldn't believe it. My heart sank. It sounds corny but it was like watching your lottery numbers come up on the TV live. You're thinking, "it finally happened!!!"
I might be the most excited forum member here for this NA z06. I just LOVE a proper NA engine. And a V8 engine that sounds like a ferrari??? Dude lol. GM did us a favor.
When i was watching the reveal live on facebook, i had to excuse myself at work, went into the break room and sat in a corner and i had tears in my eyes. LITERALLY lol. I had tears when tadge said, "the only way to achieve was to do the highest horsepower naturally aspirated V8 that's ever done in automotive history".
I couldn't believe it. My heart sank. It sounds corny but it was like watching your lottery numbers come up on the TV live. You're thinking, "it finally happened!!!"
I might be the most excited forum member here for this NA z06. I just LOVE a proper NA engine. And a V8 engine that sounds like a ferrari??? Dude lol. GM did us a favor.
. My heart sank too for different reasons 
, three years of planning, not trading my car on a C7Z, selling my car before having a new sportscar to replace it, all for nothing it seems. Like I've said, I still planned to buy it and still want to because it's the latest greatest Corvette, but I'm not gonna pay 30k to 50k dealer markup (which is what my dealer is hinting at) for a car I'm not a 100 percent on. If there's no or at least a reasonable dealer markup I still will be getting it.
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Are you slow or something? I don't hate the C8Z. Just because I am not gay for it like you does not mean I don't like it. I said the straight line performance is disappointing. I love the looks and mid engine platform as I have stated several times. Not everyone is a rich like yourself and can afford to buy 20 different sports cars. No wonder you could care less if this car is quick or not. You will just hop one of your "fast" cars if this one is slow. .
The simple answer to my last question, which I was not even addressing to you, is they could have made it quick enough to beat the cars I mentioned above with twins and keep it in the same price range and weight. Obviously they can't make the car as light as the C6Z and keep it under 100K. Only way is with forced induction
The simple answer to my last question, which I was not even addressing to you, is they could have made it quick enough to beat the cars I mentioned above with twins and keep it in the same price range and weight. Obviously they can't make the car as light as the C6Z and keep it under 100K. Only way is with forced induction
So you keep saying the car is disappointing - in a straight line - what cars is it not beating?
Can you answer that?
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It seems somewhat obvious to me that most engine modifications that someone would perform to the Z06 would make the car slower. GM did not leave anything on the table with this engine. Possibly increasing the redline a little that they probably limited due to warranty concerns. If you have to change the exhaust , OK, but you may inadvertently change the backpressure timing and lose the over N/A pressure. Hopefully GM used minimally restrictive cats but maybe there is something there.
I have to believe that most of you have never owned a 1,000 crotch rocket. If you had, you would very quickly get over your obsession with 1/4 mile times. I am sorry, but any car is painfully slow when compared to bikes. As has been stated the Z06/Z07 is meant for the track at a semi affordable price. Sure the ZR1 will have more power but it will weigh more and in the wrong place.
This engine is a masterpiece of design and it's from America.
I have to believe that most of you have never owned a 1,000 crotch rocket. If you had, you would very quickly get over your obsession with 1/4 mile times. I am sorry, but any car is painfully slow when compared to bikes. As has been stated the Z06/Z07 is meant for the track at a semi affordable price. Sure the ZR1 will have more power but it will weigh more and in the wrong place.
This engine is a masterpiece of design and it's from America.
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Melting Slicks
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I think it’s fair to say I know the AMS folks fairly well - maybe I am aware of your build?
The problem with a one car solution - is that an NA car just ain’t the easiest and especially most economical platform to mod for bigger power. The ZR1 will be that car in the C8 family - and it will be expensive if anyone can land one at msrp.
I do not think this will be the car for you - because despite the 10.6 1/4 - it likely won’t feel like a 10.6 car because the low end won’t feel equal (even with the shorter gearing and torque multiplication). And without a way to mod without a full FI setup - it’s going to underwhelm you. You could flip the C8Z - make some coin and buy the ZR1. It’s probably the best path if I were you.
The problem with a one car solution - is that an NA car just ain’t the easiest and especially most economical platform to mod for bigger power. The ZR1 will be that car in the C8 family - and it will be expensive if anyone can land one at msrp.
I do not think this will be the car for you - because despite the 10.6 1/4 - it likely won’t feel like a 10.6 car because the low end won’t feel equal (even with the shorter gearing and torque multiplication). And without a way to mod without a full FI setup - it’s going to underwhelm you. You could flip the C8Z - make some coin and buy the ZR1. It’s probably the best path if I were you.
. AMS used it to fab up the GT42R turbo kit. It was around 04-07. It's what we got though so we don't have a ton of choice if we want the latest and greatest. And I swear I'm not trying to throw a pity party but that's another issue I'm pissed about is the dealer markup will most likely eat up any profit I would probably make. Otherwise I'd agree, I'm sure I'd at least make what I had in it if I were getting it for msrp all while getting to drive it.
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It seems somewhat obvious to me that most engine modifications that someone would perform to the Z06 would make the car slower. GM did not leave anything on the table with this engine. Possibly increasing the redline a little that they probably limited due to warranty concerns. If you have to change the exhaust , OK, but you may inadvertently change the backpressure timing and lose the over N/A pressure. Hopefully GM used minimally restrictive cats but maybe there is something there.
I have to believe that most of you have never owned a 1,000 crotch rocket. If you had, you would very quickly get over your obsession with 1/4 mile times. I am sorry, but any car is painfully slow when compared to bikes. As has been stated the Z06/Z07 is meant for the track at a semi affordable price. Sure the ZR1 will have more power but it will weigh more and in the wrong place.
This engine is a masterpiece of design and it's from America.
I have to believe that most of you have never owned a 1,000 crotch rocket. If you had, you would very quickly get over your obsession with 1/4 mile times. I am sorry, but any car is painfully slow when compared to bikes. As has been stated the Z06/Z07 is meant for the track at a semi affordable price. Sure the ZR1 will have more power but it will weigh more and in the wrong place.
This engine is a masterpiece of design and it's from America.
It is a masterpiece for what it is, no argument there.
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It seems somewhat obvious to me that most engine modifications that someone would perform to the Z06 would make the car slower. GM did not leave anything on the table with this engine. Possibly increasing the redline a little that they probably limited due to warranty concerns. If you have to change the exhaust , OK, but you may inadvertently change the backpressure timing and lose the over N/A pressure. Hopefully GM used minimally restrictive cats but maybe there is something there.
I have to believe that most of you have never owned a 1,000 crotch rocket. If you had, you would very quickly get over your obsession with 1/4 mile times. I am sorry, but any car is painfully slow when compared to bikes. As has been stated the Z06/Z07 is meant for the track at a semi affordable price. Sure the ZR1 will have more power but it will weigh more and in the wrong place.
This engine is a masterpiece of design and it's from America.
I have to believe that most of you have never owned a 1,000 crotch rocket. If you had, you would very quickly get over your obsession with 1/4 mile times. I am sorry, but any car is painfully slow when compared to bikes. As has been stated the Z06/Z07 is meant for the track at a semi affordable price. Sure the ZR1 will have more power but it will weigh more and in the wrong place.
This engine is a masterpiece of design and it's from America.
Got sick of pulling wheels at 120mph. Sold the bike and got a GSXR600. Had way much more fun.
People that keep wanting this magical twin turbo C8 that's going to sport a z06 badge will just have to keep dreaming lol
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Eh, we'll have to agree to disagree on most of this one. Yes the NA won in the polls but that doesn't mean people are coming over to the Corvette brand because of it. I still think it's because it's a badass car, not because it's NA. It would be badass either way to most. And in a sense the C7Z might not have been an anomaly because the Z's before it didn't need boost to be at the desired power levels of the time. Why add FI for no reason you know.
Obviously but it is a large part of their base and appeal it seems. I'm not saying you don't have a choice in a what car you want or that it's the last car before we die, I'm saying we now don't seem to have affordable options to mod the C8Z like all the Corvettes before it so it's more limited in that regard. For sure, already am. I gave you a list of cars I'm considering earlier. And I'm not pondering why GM did what they did, we'll never truly know that and it doesn't matter. I was just having a conversation about why people that are going to get no physical benefit (track times, etc) from it being NA so I was curious what the draw was to those people, didn't mean for that to sound crazy. I am disappointed for sure but that isn't going to change what we got so there's no reason to harp on it. I was more or less just explaining my viewpoint on it is all.
FI so we'd have an easier route to adding hp affordably. A little mod goes a long way on FI cars. And I love Corvettes and had hoped this might've been the last one I bought, first ME Z, potentially the last ICE Z, etc. Also especially now that it has traction I had been planning on 900hp to 1300hp for this car(obviously depending on how it took power and basing it on other Z's). Can you imagine that hp on a car that hooks
I agree but I don't like having the base versions of cars, it's about the look too. I know it can't always be that way with certain cars, exotics and such but I try lol. A good example would be I'd rather get a the highest end Camaro (ZL1) over a Stingray. Again to an extent, realistically speaking.
I'm sure you've been wrong before, and I didn't say you were, just that I hope you are
I believe it and I don't mean that in a condescending way. My heart sank too for different reasons , three years of planning, not trading my car on a C7Z, selling my car before having a new sportscar to replace it, all for nothing it seems. Like I've said, I still planned to buy it and still want to because it's the latest greatest Corvette, but I'm not gonna pay 30k to 50k dealer markup (which is what my dealer is hinting at) for a car I'm not a 100 percent on. If there's no or at least a reasonable dealer markup I still will be getting it.
Obviously but it is a large part of their base and appeal it seems. I'm not saying you don't have a choice in a what car you want or that it's the last car before we die, I'm saying we now don't seem to have affordable options to mod the C8Z like all the Corvettes before it so it's more limited in that regard. For sure, already am. I gave you a list of cars I'm considering earlier. And I'm not pondering why GM did what they did, we'll never truly know that and it doesn't matter. I was just having a conversation about why people that are going to get no physical benefit (track times, etc) from it being NA so I was curious what the draw was to those people, didn't mean for that to sound crazy
. I am disappointed for sure but that isn't going to change what we got so there's no reason to harp on it. I was more or less just explaining my viewpoint on it is all.FI so we'd have an easier route to adding hp affordably. A little mod goes a long way on FI cars. And I love Corvettes and had hoped this might've been the last one I bought, first ME Z, potentially the last ICE Z, etc. Also especially now that it has traction I had been planning on 900hp to 1300hp for this car(obviously depending on how it took power and basing it on other Z's). Can you imagine that hp on a car that hooks
I agree but I don't like having the base versions of cars, it's about the look too. I know it can't always be that way with certain cars, exotics and such but I try lol. A good example would be I'd rather get a the highest end Camaro (ZL1) over a Stingray. Again to an extent, realistically speaking.
I'm sure you've been wrong before, and I didn't say you were, just that I hope you are
I believe it and I don't mean that in a condescending way
. My heart sank too for different reasons , three years of planning, not trading my car on a C7Z, selling my car before having a new sportscar to replace it, all for nothing it seems. Like I've said, I still planned to buy it and still want to because it's the latest greatest Corvette, but I'm not gonna pay 30k to 50k dealer markup (which is what my dealer is hinting at) for a car I'm not a 100 percent on. If there's no or at least a reasonable dealer markup I still will be getting it.I do hope GM makes the ZR1 to fit your needs.
Until then, we can only be proud at the NA masterpiece GM developed. Go team corvette!!
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, it just looks like you're essentially poking fun at someone else's disappointment.
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Na, doubt there's a ZR1 in my future but that's okay.
Agreed.
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Do you really have to say stuff like that? It's taunting and condescending. And think about from the other direction, you said it brought tears to your eyes. Now imagine it brought tears of sadness to someone else's eyes and no I didn't tear up over it being NA , it just looks like you're essentially poking fun at someone else's disappointment.
, it just looks like you're essentially poking fun at someone else's disappointment.It seems that the only sole purpose this thread is still being attended to, is so people who were on the TT side can come here to voice their complaints. And the NA guys came here to give your answer to your original question.
We get it. You wanted a boosted z06 so you can modify.
We got an NA car, that was tapped out i believe so they can produce the most powerful NA engine V8 ever. A lot people have been clamoring since the C6Z. Some people purposely skipped the C7Z and are now on the list to get a C8Z.
I merely said the post you quoted because i fail to see any reason why a discussion like this should continue since there's nothing more to be said.
WE GOT THE NA Z06 ALREADY!!!
Happy new year!
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Brother, you made this thread to ask a question. You were given said answer in multiple variations.
It seems that the only sole purpose this thread is still being attended to, is so people who were on the TT side can come here to voice their complaints. And the NA guys came here to give your answer to your original question.
We get it. You wanted a boosted z06 so you can modify.
We got an NA car, that was tapped out i believe so they can produce the most powerful NA engine V8 ever. A lot people have been clamoring since the C6Z. Some people purposely skipped the C7Z and are now on the list to get a C8Z.
I merely said the post you quoted because i fail to see any reason why a discussion like this should continue since there's nothing more to be said.
WE GOT THE NA Z06 ALREADY!!!
Happy new year!
It seems that the only sole purpose this thread is still being attended to, is so people who were on the TT side can come here to voice their complaints. And the NA guys came here to give your answer to your original question.
We get it. You wanted a boosted z06 so you can modify.
We got an NA car, that was tapped out i believe so they can produce the most powerful NA engine V8 ever. A lot people have been clamoring since the C6Z. Some people purposely skipped the C7Z and are now on the list to get a C8Z.
I merely said the post you quoted because i fail to see any reason why a discussion like this should continue since there's nothing more to be said.
WE GOT THE NA Z06 ALREADY!!!
Happy new year!
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All is not lost for modding - as PBD said about their assessment of the LT6…
Its a good video…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZigOVLFkTEM&t=1s
Its a good video…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZigOVLFkTEM&t=1s
He's a ford for life guy. An actual racer, builder etc.
And he gave A LOT of respect to what GM did with the LT6. The stuff he said about OUR magnificent engine vs what ford put out with the GT350 really should make all of us proud to be on team corvette. I love that video. And his channel too even though i'm not really a mustang guy.
The LT6 is going to be LEGENDARY!
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All is not lost for modding - as PBD said about their assessment of the LT6…
Its a good video…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZigOVLFkTEM&t=1s
Its a good video…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZigOVLFkTEM&t=1s
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I hear ya dude and I’m all for it. I can’t wait but I still wish it had more lol. Why? I don’t know but more is always more I guess. 😁 in truth it’s going to be fantastic in every way and yes I was one who considered a huracan recently but decided to save like almost half the cost and wait for the z. I’m glad I did.
Still if the zr1 is obtainable. I’m on mike’s list for that too, then I might trade into that if it’s totally bad ***. I drove the huracan evo and thought it was great so I’m cool with it being na.
Still if the zr1 is obtainable. I’m on mike’s list for that too, then I might trade into that if it’s totally bad ***. I drove the huracan evo and thought it was great so I’m cool with it being na.
I guess what I have been posting about - is for the type of car that GM has never made before - and really no North American car manufacturer has - a V8 FPC mid engine high rpm car - like the European cars - that more - we got with the C8Z in my humble opinion. And it really is a rare thing.
Literally every other car option is not the C8Z’s engine setup - so there is so much other choice.
If you end up needing to pay 50-100K over for a C8Z - I would suggest an EVO for you instead as you will easily be in that range. Wait it out and go ZR1 (meaning get on a list now). EV is a great ride (Performante too) - and you would enjoy that until the ZR1 comes out. The only way I would go ZR1 - is if it was EV assist only and the redline remained. I still probably wouldn’t - but that would be a tougher call for me. FI - it’s a no for me. No question the ZR1 will be the much quicker and faster car either way.