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Old Jul 1, 2024 | 10:51 AM
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My '23 M2 has everything, except the heated steering wheel, moved to the screen. To turn on the heated seats now requires pressing climate on the screen the heated seats, then the level of heat. That's if I'm on the home screen. If I'm on the media screen (CarPlay) or any other screen, then I have to hit the home screen first. 4 steps to turn on the heated seats that previously could be done by pressing the heated seat button with my eyes still on the road. Now on the '25s they removed the heated steering wheel button & put the control in the screen as well.
BMW was probably think of selling heated seats as a subscription. I hate when everything is embedded in the screen; that would be annoying. Can you use voice to turn on the heated wheel and adjust the seat temp? At least that would avoid constant poking at the screen.

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Yeah, a $63k Audi A6 and it doesn't have remote start or heated steering wheel. Her $25k Jetta had both.
My wife was interested in the smallest Lexus hybrid SUV. Even checking every option box did not provide all the options that were available on a Prius. Had to go a bigger vehicle to get those features. Bought a Hyundai instead.
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Old Jul 1, 2024 | 03:07 PM
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Not according to the Audi dealer. Although the dealer in Madison Wisconsin has figured out a way if you buy a third fob (have no idea what's wrong with the two I already have) they do some programming magic and if you press the lock button three times it remote starts. Which shows the car CAN do it.
Exactly, so what are they charging for the 3rd fob & programming? At least with BMW, adding the option after the fact is the same price if you would have ordered it originally ($300 for remote start).

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BMW was probably think of selling heated seats as a subscription. I hate when everything is embedded in the screen; that would be annoying. Can you use voice to turn on the heated wheel and adjust the seat temp? At least that would avoid constant poking at the screen.
I think you can use voice commands, I haven't messed with it yet. It not often that it gets cold enough here to where I need to turn on the seats. Interestingly, Jeep put all the controls in the screen on our previous '20 Grand Cherokee, when we ordered a '23 the physical buttons were back (they were also in the screen which was redundant).

Maybe if enough people complain they'll keep/bring back the physical buttons.
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Old Jul 1, 2024 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JockItch
We’ll see what they end up doing, and I know the rumor is they will migrate to this single Cadillac screen pictured. If they do, I really hope they figure out a way to design the rest of the interior to give you that traditional, driver centric, wrap around, cockpit feeling. The Cadillac and pretty much all of the interior I’ve seen with these screen designs do not accomplish that.

The Blazer EV screen matches the driver centric configuration of the current C8 interior… just larger and updated. The infotainment screen also slightly angles towards the driver. Physical volume button located in the same location as well. Look familiar?


The HVAC vents on both of these cars are hideous. They need new interior designers.

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Old Jul 2, 2024 | 10:50 PM
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There's nothing "fine" about the C8 interior. It was designed by an epileptic child. Your average sedan has a more aesthetically pleasing and functional interior. Even the Nissan Altima I'm renting right now...is less obnoxious of an interior than the C8--and it too has the horrible "tacked on ipad".

But you take one look at competing offerings...and you can quickly see how the C8 is just so wanting.

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Old Jul 3, 2024 | 07:48 AM
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There's nothing "fine" about the C8 interior. It was designed by an epileptic child. Your average sedan has a more aesthetically pleasing and functional interior. Even the Nissan Altima I'm renting right now...is less obnoxious of an interior than the C8--and it too has the horrible "tacked on ipad".

But you take one look at competing offerings...and you can quickly see how the C8 is just so wanting.

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Sorry, but the only thing missing on these two is a "snooze" button. Talk about dull as toast.
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Old Jul 3, 2024 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EvanZR1
The other thing that would be nice is eliminating the center wall buttons. For everyday use they are fine even with a passenger, but for track use, if you have a passenger/instructor, they are too easy for them to push things accidently.
I see an opportunity here for someone to make a small cover panel for the switch wall... readily installed (snap-on?) for track days.
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Old Jul 3, 2024 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 3LZR21U
There's nothing "fine" about the C8 interior. It was designed by an epileptic child. Your average sedan has a more aesthetically pleasing and functional interior. Even the Nissan Altima I'm renting right now...is less obnoxious of an interior than the C8--and it too has the horrible "tacked on ipad".

But you take one look at competing offerings...and you can quickly see how the C8 is just so wanting.


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One of the biggest gripes listed has been the "tacked on screen." This looks like an i-Pad stuck on the center console. I'm also not a fan of the lack of physical buttons and reliance on a screen, the steering wheel, or the bright air vents. Maybe it looks better in person, IDK.
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Old Jul 4, 2024 | 09:40 PM
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Hey Folks,

Somebody mentioned again about Chevy not changing the Corvette interior mid generation. So I will mention again the dash on the C4 changed quite a bit:-)
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Old Jul 8, 2024 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil1098
Sorry, but the only thing missing on these two is a "snooze" button. Talk about dull as toast.
I'll take dull and functional over avant garde without rational thought behind it. The list of gripes I have with the C8's lack of thought put into the interior--is longer than my arm.

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One of the biggest gripes listed has been the "tacked on screen." This looks like an i-Pad stuck on the center console. I'm also not a fan of the lack of physical buttons and reliance on a screen, the steering wheel, or the bright air vents. Maybe it looks better in person, IDK.
Possibly. AMG does dash vents better than any competing car, imho. I agree that the infotainment screen looks tacked on. I don't know about AMG's in particular, but the only applications of this "look" that I don't mind--are the ones in which the screen is articulating and adjustable by the driver (ala side view mirrors).

I personally would prefer a smooth-top dash and physical buttons, similar to BMW and Porsche. There should be enough space to go wide on the display and use the dash top as an upper bezel surround and the center console junction as the lower bezel surround. That leaves room for physical buttons on the center console; integrates the infotainment screen so it doesn't look like an afterthought; and improves the smoothness of the dash (which helps reduce glare and cleaning hassle, among other things).

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I still favor moving the shift selector to the dash on the left of the steering column. And it doesn't have to be that complex; push-button selector, drive mode ****. All left of the steering wheel. But instead, the vent is too low, and there's no room because of how the door comes up to meet the dash right below it. A higher placement of the vents (and a raised terminal dash point altogether) would give more room to place physical controls on the dash. Which would effectively allow the center console to have myriad more physical controls without the garish wall o buttons.
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Old Jul 8, 2024 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 3LZR21U
There's nothing "fine" about the C8 interior. It was designed by an epileptic child. Your average sedan has a more aesthetically pleasing and functional interior. Even the Nissan Altima I'm renting right now...is less obnoxious of an interior than the C8--and it too has the horrible "tacked on ipad".
That’s your opinion. I, and many others really like the interior just fine.

Originally Posted by 3LZR21U
But you take one look at competing offerings...and you can quickly see how the C8 is just so wanting.
Yeah. They’ve really struggled over the last 4 1/2 years to sell these.


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This is the most ironic of your references given that it is basically the C8 Interior in a larger car…but with repetitive bulbous wave shapes.

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This is what you want? This is a generic overpriced glossy plastic interior from the late 90’s. The architecture looks like a Honda Civic.

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This looks as knobly as the Blazer interior. I’ve been in my neighbors new Mercedes interior and it is head and shoulders over the Bimmer interior above.

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Again, this is what you want? This is a boring German hard plastic interior that gets away with it because it has a Porsche emblem on the steering wheel. At least Audi takes minimal simplicity to an art form. This just looks cheap and boring.
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Originally Posted by 3LZR21U
I'll take dull and functional over avant garde without rational thought behind it. The list of gripes I have with the C8's lack of thought put into the interior--is longer than my arm.
About a thousand times more thought went into the C8 interior than you have put into it. Sorry but shifting and modes left of the steering wheel is just a clear example of how far out in left field you are. Any interior that screwed up would be an absolute deal breaker for most. Your arm long list of complaints hasn't seemed to slow sales much, looking like you're the odd man out, far from the majority. Hard pass on your boring examples.
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Originally Posted by Phil1098
Your arm long list of complaints hasn't seemed to slow sales much, looking like you're the odd man out, far from the majority. Hard pass on your boring examples.
While I agree the alternative examples given were not that great, I also doubt the vast majority of C8 buyers are buying it for the interior. The other mountain of desirable features/qualities are driving sales, despite the interior.
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About a thousand times more thought went into the C8 interior than you have put into it. Sorry but shifting and modes left of the steering wheel is just a clear example of how far out in left field you are. Any interior that screwed up would be an absolute deal breaker for most. Your arm long list of complaints hasn't seemed to slow sales much, looking like you're the odd man out, far from the majority. Hard pass on your boring examples.
Why would moving the gear selector to the dash be a "deal breaker"? Nobody cares. The hard sell was convincing the die-hards to give up the rowing machine for paddles. Once you put it in gear, nobody gives an F.

The carry-over of keeping the gear selector on the center console should have died with the C7. DCT has no need or use of this legacy placement which really only existed to facilitate mechanical linkages when "3 on the tree" became insufficient.

And yeah, nobody cares; nor would justifiable critiques of the C8's interior shortcomings impact sales 1 iota. Performance bests the previous generation--so even if it came fur lined & bedazzled...the fanboys would still be lining up in droves.

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Overpriced, glossy plastic interior from the 90s? GM is the one offering shittastic needless carbon fiber accents over every surface in the C8 interior. Yet that's the one panel you settle upon in the M8 as "proof"? At least the M8 offers a variety of trim paneling options--not just carbon fiber (copper wood, ash grain, dark aluminum, etc).
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Originally Posted by JABCAT
While I agree the alternative examples given were not that great, I also doubt the vast majority of C8 buyers are buying it for the interior. The other mountain of desirable features/qualities are driving sales, despite the interior.
It's the best Corvette interior produced in my lifetime, and it's not even close. Design, quality of materials... long gone are the days of the generic, Fisher Price GM interiors of the C5 and C6 generation... plastic dashes, horrendous seats, steering wheels borrowed from economy cars in the lineup. People bought those cars despite the interior. The C7 improved but still had ground to make up. The C8 interior finally competes on the world stage. Some may not like the unique design, but you just don't hear all the complaining or excuse making about the cheap interior like you did with prior generations.
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Originally Posted by JockItch
It's the best Corvette interior produced in my lifetime, and it's not even close. Design, quality of materials...The C8 interior finally competes on the world stage.
While it may have better quality materials than prior generations, I definitely would't say the materials are on par with other vehicles in its price range. The fact is you get the same materials in the $180k Z06 as you do in the $65k Stingray, and GM charges you more for them. The "leather" is still cheap GM leather, and there's still plenty of plastic in the interior.

Z06 owners should get a better interior than Stingray owners standard (at least 3LZ) or at least have better/more options than Stingray owners. The other gripe is GM charges a ridiculous amount for interior trim upgrades. The prices for 2LT/Z & 3LT/Z are just stupid. Many other manufacturers include the upgraded interior with their performance models, but GM decided to go the Porsche route and charge big $ for things you should already get.

For the record, I think Porsche interiors are nothing to brag about, and definitely not for their cost. BMW & Mercedes have really nice interiors, and the materials are much better than what GM uses.

Again, the C8 Corvette models have a lot going for them, but the interior isn't at the top of the list. If there is a mid-model refresh as rumored here & other places, it's likely due to owner feedback. So while you may not be hearing all the complaints/dislikes, maybe GM has
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So while you may not be hearing all the complaints/dislikes, maybe GM has
If they do hear any, it has to be 1000 times less than they heard with the bargain basement interiors in the C6 and even the C7.
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Why would moving the gear selector to the dash be a "deal breaker"?
Because it would then be just like a 1963 Plymouth. You're right on the cutting edge of interior design. Don't quit your day job.


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Originally Posted by Phil1098
If they do hear any, it has to be 1000 times less than they heard with the bargain basement interiors in the C6 and even the C7.
While the C8 has evolved the Corvette interior, I still think that the C7 interior is better designed. What I mean by that is the Ipad screen looks tacked on in the C8, the digital dash looks to have inferior pixel per inch against rival digital interiors (Audi, MB, Genesis for example). As @JABCAT also noted, you get the same digital dash and interior as a Stingray for far less money. The wall of buttons is not ideal either. Adient is probably making most of these interiors for GM.

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Because it would then be just like a 1963 Plymouth. You're right on the cutting edge of interior design. Don't quit your day job.

I'm well aware of the precursor examples of push-button transmissions, including the likes of Edsel. That doesn't change the fact that if you move the existing C8 gear selector onto the left dash, it functionally changes nothing. It does, however, free up space on the center console to put physical buttons that can be aesthetically/tactile better designed.

Just because it is an old idea doesn't mean that it's a bad idea. Hell, look at ball cooler vents; they've been around for years...but damn do you miss having a vent there under the steering wheel in cars that don't have it.
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