ZRacerLE

617hp will be enough if it weighs 3300lbs

JockItch

Wishful thinking IMO. I’ll be impressed enough if it’s under 3500lbs.

Savoy2001

Sure but where is the confirmation of the lighter weight? You said lighter weight with 627 is fine. Ok sure at 3200lbs it is. Not at 3600-3700 imo.

Also 700 is not a crazy thought at this price point. Many cars offer it in this price range. 10000 at this price is unrealistic but nice try anyway.

Savoy2001

At its current weight? Really? What so ExcitingAbout that? I don’t see it. Give us that fpc with 617 at 31-3200 lbs and I agree. Would be like driving a go cart and fast as hell.

Z0HS1CK

Exactly what I been saying the past 6 or 7 months now.

Look at the huracan evo. 630hp? 3500lbs na. Runs 10.4 and is a track monster.

Gm could def mimic that car with a v8, for a fraction of the price.

Itll be a monster at 625-650hp na.

And the zr1 guys will be lucky with the tt version of that setup.

Everyone wins!

jcp911s

600+ HP is PLENTY.... but.... I just don't see weight going down.... 90% of potential Z06 buyers (including me), plan to use the car primarily on the street, and if it is not at least as comfortable/convenient as a base Stingray, it won't sell...

I have many friends who have Porsche GT3s, of various years, and virtually none of them consider it to be a viable daily street car.... they all have another... or more accurately, several other cars they use.... the GT-3 is a track toy, pure and simple....

I track my 2016 Z51, with "only" 460HP, and even with MPSC2 tires, if I turn the PTM to "Race" mode, you better be a pretty good amateur race car driver to drive at the limit without spinning.... I gave up, and use Sport 2, because I have to drive the thing home... and if the TC is intervening, that means its shutting the HP down.... you could put another 100HP into the engine... but it ain't getting to the rear tires....

ZRacerLE

Huracan Evo is tied with a C7Z on laptimes

fiveomar

Please tell me of another sports car that offers 700hp in this price range. And please don't mention any Dodges- they are NOT sports cars, they are one-trick pony (straight line) heavy muscle cars.

ArmchairArchitect

Disagree...there are many car enthusiasts who prefer a sports car to feel "raw", more engaging, and give you more road feel rather than "numb". And guess what? All those comforts make the car feel more numb, and bring down the performance.

And don't forget, magnetic shocks do wonders to compensate for harsh suspension and making the ride quality very compliant/comfortable. Porsche refuses to use them because they are too proud and stubborn to use superior GM-invented technology. Even Ferrari uses magnetic shocks.

Lots of happy C5Z and C6Z owners who use their cars regularly on the road despite the extensive lightweighting measures taken.

Here's the happy medium: offer the comforts removal as a no-cost option. Removed/reduced sound deadening, thinner glass, etc. etc.

Savoy2001

Actually since you asked. I’m waiting on a 21 gt500 to come into the dealer any day now. Is 80k. It’sa loaded gt500 but non track pack car. Handles as good or better than a zl1 1le on a road course and puts down 10’s at the strip stock.

Oh forgot the most important part of your question. It’s760 hp at the crank sae. It’s probably more though since every dyno that run one stock since they came out last year has come up with more power stock. They getting like 700-710 to the wheels stock so drive line loss with the tremec dct is probably less than a regular auto or even manual so it’s probably under rated and more like 800 from the factory which is nuts.

ArmchairArchitect

It needs all that power to compensate for the ridiculous 4,182 lb curb weight. And a 56/44 weight distribution which is FAR from ideal.

Corvettes have the advantage of fiberglass/SMC rather than steel body panels, for starters. 50/50 weight distribution prior to the C8 (when Corvettes were front-mid-engine), now even better at 60/40 with the C8's rear-mid-engine.

That GT500 basically has the same lap times as a base C8 as tested by magazines on road courses, so not overly impressive.

Savoy2001

i know it’s 4200 lbs obviously but it puts up the numbers weight or not. Specially because it has enough power to compensate for being piggy. 600 is gonna compensate for 36-3700 lbs? Mid engine or not.

Also the times for the gt are very good at it’s given price point. Hard to beat in fact. Only the zl1 1le is a slightly better buy.

Stats aside you started by asking where else can you get a 700 hp car at this level and price. I provided it and it happens to be a great all a rounder in every category. Again for under 100k. What beats it?

ArmchairArchitect

We are asking for 617hp, 3500lbs or less. And yes it will crush the GT500 with those specs since the base C8 already matches it with only 495hp and 3,600lbs. So no, the GT500 does not "put up the numbers" except for horsepower, but it can't translate that to real-world results to outpace a car with 250+ less horsepower (the base C8).

Savoy2001

Im not convinced 3500 lbs is light enough but it might be. How do you suppose they will lighten the car 200 lbs and keep it’s price point?

Btw I want it to crush the gt500 since my plan was to trade out of it to get a c8 z if it’s bad *** enough.

One last thing I fully expect the corvette c8 z06 to beat the **** out of the gt500. It should or it’sa flat out fail. And I don’t mean beat it by 1 or 2 tenths. I mean significantly. Plus it’s going to cost more than 80k for sure the way most people will option it out. So I mean this should be a given.

ArmchairArchitect

If the Z06 is $80 to $85k, that means GM has $20k - $25k of cost + profit margin to work with. Of that, there is the increased R&D and tooling costs for the new motors (spread over the number of units sold), and lightweighting measures (see my list above for examples). If it will have active aero, increased cost for that as well. Suspension changes will largely be R&D costs as the cost of parts themselves should be similar to the ones on the base C8.

GM has already done cars based on this ethos before on the C5 Z06 and C6 Z06, so not sure why you think its so infeasible.

Z0HS1CK

I see more porsches than corvettes on the street, which means even without all that 650/650 monster power yooooo that's not in those porsches, they're still able to have their fun on the street.

625, 640, hell even 600HP NA will be more than enough. Look at the stingray now. It's a monster down low. It just needs a bit more power for the top end. Are people racing to 200mph on the street? No.

It'll be a fast car from 0-140, and it will rock lap times in stock form.

You want a crazier C8? Wait for the ZR1 with the rumored TT engine.

I really hope this NA thing is real. Tired of all the guess work these days.

Savoy2001

I don’t think they were able to cut 200 lbs of weight off any car ever and keep it’s price target. Btw the things you listed s as weight savings aren’t nearly enough to cut 200 lbs. Plus I doubt they steer going to strip the car as many of you here would like to save the weight they need too. I just don’t see it as feasible. No I don’t. Difference of opinion I guess.

One thing I just looked up and had to point out. Just for the giggles i looked up some lightning lap times at vir. 2020 gt500 2.44. 2020 zl1 1le 245. 2020 c8 z51 2.49. So when you said the base c8 was a fast as the gt500 Long line you were wrong. At least on that track. I haven’t looked up others but just for fun I had to post this.

TLS_Addict

People also forget that larger brakes, larger wheels and larger tires add weight.

I am unsure of all the massive weight savings with the C5Z. A handful? Sure. A long list? Not so sure.

jcp911s

I drove a 1984 Porsche 911 as a DD for over a decade... 2800 lbs, lousy heat... no A/C. no power steering, "raw" as it gets.... I loved it, but I'm a whacko.... I guarantee you 99.999% of buyers would not accept this today.... you can go out today, and buy a nice C6Z for about $35-40K... and get delivery in about 10 days... so why are people waiting 12 months to spend twice that for a C8?

Porsche can get away with "de-contenting" a car and selling it for a 30% premium, because they have a global market... a pool of extremely wealthy, price insensitive, enthusiast owners, for whom this is a 4th or 5th car, and only need to sell about 2,000 of them a year....

I've said this before... if you want a "decontented" Corvette, just go to COPART, buy a salvage title car, and "De-content" it to your heart's content.

Corvette has to move 10K units in USA, to price sensitive buyers..... different dynamic.

ZRacerLE

I can't find any cars that are around 3500lbs and around 600hp that are significantly faster than a C7Z around a track. They appear to be a driver's race. If there are, then that gives me hope.