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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 09:42 AM
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Seems like our Politicans are at it again. Feel free to sign it, we all benefit.
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Ontario residents currently pay a debt retirement charge, "a charge per
kilowatt hour of electricity consumed that is added to electricity bills
to help pay down the stranded debt of the former Ontario Hydro". This
$0.0070 per kilowatt-hour surcharge is added to every customer's monthly
utility bill.

In his annual report delivered on December 5, 2006, Ontario Auditor
General Jim McCarter announced that among a number of questionable
expenditures was $127 million worth of goods and services using corporate
charge cards, but with few slips or receipts to justify the charges.

A petition has been created requesting that the Ontario Ministry of
Energy make a $127 million adjustment to compensate consumers for this
unapproved use of taxpayer money, either by directly removing it from the
current outstanding residual stranded debt or by a reduction of the
monthly debt retirement charge.

To sign this petition go to
http://www.petitiononline.com/ohdrc/petition.html

Please forward this to anyone you know in Ontario.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 09:49 AM
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 10:22 AM
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as well, I have a strong interest in this petition, please sign up and help me bring it back.

http://www.petitiononline.com/smurfdvd/petition.html
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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I'm getting sick and tired of our Politicians spending our money irresponsibly and getting away with it. It's time we started to hold our politicians accountable . . . .

Self serving Civil Servents should be thrown into jail like any common criminal.
Remember, this is OUR hard earned money they’re spending!

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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 10:58 AM
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Done

I am sick of politcians thinking they can do as they please with our dollars. They deffinetly need to be held accountable!

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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by z06cab
as well, I have a strong interest in this petition, please sign up and help me bring it back.

http://www.petitiononline.com/smurfdvd/petition.html
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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If we assume that the entire $127 million was either fraudulent or genuinely wasted (which is not really a fair assumption based on what the Auditor's report actually says: http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en06/307en06.pdf), it amounts to less than one sixth of one per cent (about .15%) of the annual Ontario budget. Only anyone who can say they didn't manage to waste .15% of their annual household budget should consider signing the petition.

If you still want to sign the petition, the next question you should ask yourself is why it would be a good thing to fail to pay down $127 million of debt, when we know we have to pay it in the end, and if we delay payment, we pay more interest?

In short, there are a lot more important things to worry about (like 66 sq.km. of ice falling off Ellesmere Island). AFAIC, z06cab's petition makes a lot more sense.

But, like Dennis Miller used to say - it's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

Michael in T.O.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 12:28 PM
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I don't care how much it is. I am just sick of some of them spending OUR money irresponsibly.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 01:21 PM
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Done as well.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mellingm
If we assume that the entire $127 million was either fraudulent or genuinely wasted (which is not really a fair assumption based on what the Auditor's report actually says: http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en06/307en06.pdf), it amounts to less than one sixth of one per cent (about .15%) of the annual Ontario budget. Only anyone who can say they didn't manage to waste .15% of their annual household budget should consider signing the petition.

If you still want to sign the petition, the next question you should ask yourself is why it would be a good thing to fail to pay down $127 million of debt, when we know we have to pay it in the end, and if we delay payment, we pay more interest?

In short, there are a lot more important things to worry about (like 66 sq.km. of ice falling off Ellesmere Island). AFAIC, z06cab's petition makes a lot more sense.

But, like Dennis Miller used to say - it's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

Michael in T.O.


Very good point when you break it down in those terms.

But they should still be held accountable.

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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_ Red

But they should still be held accountable.
Big Red -

Appreciate your response, and agree with you and tlaselva on accountability.

The A-G's report is part of the accountability framework for Hydro One, as well as the rest of the provincial public sector. And, they appear to be taking it seriously:

http://www.hydroone.com/en/media_cen...2006_12_05.asp

Michael in T.O.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mellingm
If we assume that the entire $127 million was either fraudulent or genuinely wasted (which is not really a fair assumption based on what the Auditor's report actually says: http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en06/307en06.pdf), it amounts to less than one sixth of one per cent (about .15%) of the annual Ontario budget. Only anyone who can say they didn't manage to waste .15% of their annual household budget should consider signing the petition.

If you still want to sign the petition, the next question you should ask yourself is why it would be a good thing to fail to pay down $127 million of debt, when we know we have to pay it in the end, and if we delay payment, we pay more interest?

In short, there are a lot more important things to worry about (like 66 sq.km. of ice falling off Ellesmere Island). AFAIC, z06cab's petition makes a lot more sense.

But, like Dennis Miller used to say - it's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

Michael in T.O.
Mike, I must disagree. It's not about the amount as it is the principle of the matter. If I wasted .15% of my household budget then that is my business because I earned it! These people are trusted in spending tax dollars wisely and must have accountability for their actions for money that does not belong to them. If they want to go blow their own personal checks then more power to them. Further, this is only .15% for Hydro however if we add other utility companies etc etc ...how big does the pot suddenly become for potentially wasted funds? I am glad Hydro is taking it seriously but actions speak louder than words. Get these people into a cell for a couple of months who misuse public funds and I think we might see a different situation..or at least I would hope we could improve fiscal responsibility.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 06:23 PM
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 06:58 PM
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cdn ZR1 Mike
Mike, I must disagree. It's not about the amount as it is the principle of the matter.


I also agree with accountability and due punishments.

It is time this "culture of entitlement" that so many civil servants seem to think is within their "rights" comes to an end.


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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 07:27 PM
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I work for a public company I wondered what would happen if I couldn't account for all my expenses.

Can you SAY GET A NEW JOB..

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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 07:27 PM
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Ok enough pizzin on us lowly civil servants! I have worker for the government for 24 years taking the responsibility for the children of the "state" so that CAS (private institutions all of them) workers, cops, teachers and school administrators who think of them and then treat them as second class citizens. I'm the guy who catches the guy who is abusing his authority and taking it out on or making a sickening profit on the backs of children. I catch the guy who beats kids in a jail because he thinks he can. I too want the men and women who hold the provincial wallet to be responsible and financially accountable. Those people however are not civil servants. They are hired from contract to contract as in the public sector but since they're employer is the Province many assume them to be silly servants; they are not. The "accounting errors" are not indiginous only to governement and public sector companies and I agree that punishment should fit the crime. Just punish the right guy. Ok I feel better.
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Ok enough pizzin on us lowly civil servants! I have worker for the government for 24 years taking the responsibility for the children of the "state" so that CAS (private institutions all of them) workers, cops, teachers and school administrators who think of them and then treat them as second class citizens. I'm the guy who catches the guy who is abusing his authority and taking it out on or making a sickening profit on the backs of children. I catch the guy who beats kids in a jail because he thinks he can. I too want the men and women who hold the provincial wallet to be responsible and financially accountable. Those people however are not civil servants. They are hired from contract to contract as in the public sector but since they're employer is the Province many assume them to be silly servants; they are not. The "accounting errors" are not indiginous only to governement and public sector companies and I agree that punishment should fit the crime. Just punish the right guy. Ok I feel better.

Couldnt agree with you more. I cant remember the last time Cops, Firefighters , nurses ever got a 25% raise...yet our Ontario Cab. folks just voted themselves this increase before xmas. Lets not forget there pensions....Im still wondering why we can't stop this type of madness.
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Signed both petitions!

Guess that entitles me to a bit of RANT time then!

I often wonder about expense accounts for Civil Servants, or Crown Corp. Executives ... Yes, I know, Hydro One is now a semi-public operation ... but we are still paying the debt from it's previous incarnation.

Some expense account amounts that have been reported on over the past year, has made my hair stand on end ... we are not talking about sales rep's trying to land the big fish out there, and having to spend big bucks on entertaining potential clients ... we are talking about organizations with established markets, and in most cases, captive markets, when it comes to Monopoly positions in certain markets. Who are they Whooing??????!!!!!????

RANT ... pt.2

The former CEO who was paid big buck to run a Crown Corp. feels a little heat from the Auditor General about conduct within his organization, for which he was paid big bucks to run (might I add!) ... quits ... yes, he quits before the inquiry really gets going ... and then what do They (meaning the politians) do? They cut him a Big Fat severance cheque!!!!!

Now explain to me why this is ... he quits ... but still gets a severance cheque!

He ran a company, with really no competive presures to speak of ... with a captive market ... and no real presure to control costs ... he is paid extremely well ... quits at the first sign of being called to account for his actions ... and "We" the public cut him a cheque from our hard earned dollars to pay him severance .... was this "Thanks for not screwing us more!" money?

I just don't get it.

That is all for now.

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