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Old 05-26-2019, 10:58 AM
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Hey guys. Just my 2 cents about Champion Motorsports in Toronto.
Had heads fixed, BTR cam/tune installed last year by another company. They did a great job but there was surging at low rpm. I specifically got a BTR2 because I read many times that the surging could be tuned out.
So I recently put headers on and thought I would go out to Champion. I asked for first morning call.I specifically told Rob, the owner about the surging issue. Drove 1.5hrs and then waited until 1pm for them to get the car on the dyno. 3 pulls and some tweaking, and a drive around the block w the tuner. Car runs a little better but surging still there.
$700 for just over an hour for little improvement.
I guess I shouldn't complain as the CTSV owner that was also waiting paid $700 for 35 minutes of tuning.
I questioned the owner about the fee and he said it was a "full tune".
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Old 05-26-2019, 11:03 AM
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I feel your pain …. I think they used to be a sponsor here... but haven't heard much from them or about them lately....seems plenty of other tuning alternatives lately as the LSX type engines are popular in many applications....a chassis dyno in Dundas, Stoney Creek now, Cambridge......couple pretty sharp guys around with just laptops as well...

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Lets just say If Champion cannot put the the correct front wheel spacers on my ZR1 ,do you think I would let that piece of **** touch my car again !
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Lets just say If Champion cannot put the the correct front wheel spacers on my ZR1 ,do you think I would let that piece of **** touch my car again !
Wow - ouch !!!
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Old 05-26-2019, 08:43 PM
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Hey guys. Just my 2 cents about Champion Motorsports in Toronto.
Had heads fixed, BTR cam/tune installed last year by another company. They did a great job but there was surging at low rpm. I specifically got a BTR2 because I read many times that the surging could be tuned out.
So I recently put headers on and thought I would go out to Champion. I asked for first morning call.I specifically told Rob, the owner about the surging issue. Drove 1.5hrs and then waited until 1pm for them to get the car on the dyno. 3 pulls and some tweaking, and a drive around the block w the tuner. Car runs a little better but surging still there.
$700 for just over an hour for little improvement.
I guess I shouldn't complain as the CTSV owner that was also waiting paid $700 for 35 minutes of tuning.
I questioned the owner about the fee and he said it was a "full tune".
I think you were nailed with the corvette tax big time.
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Old 05-27-2019, 10:09 AM
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They did a great job but there was surging at low rpm..
If you had the job done by another company and they installed and tuned it and you already paid for it and you still had surging. I would not consider that a great job. Why would you not take it back to them and let them do it right? just a thought as you have already paid them.
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Old 05-27-2019, 02:19 PM
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I had the same feelings when I had my supercharged c5 tuned. Still threw coded and a surging idle, was $700 for 25 minutes in the dyno and no street tuning. Will be going to race ready garage to get it looked at. Just felt very rushed and I told them max power wasn't my main concern, it was the driveability and cold start.
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Old 05-27-2019, 03:20 PM
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If you had the job done by another company and they installed and tuned it and you already paid for it and you still had surging. I would not consider that a great job. Why would you not take it back to them and let them do it right? just a thought as you have already paid them.
They offered to tune it again. I wasn't confident they could do it or they would've done it the first time.
I heard that Champion was the best. So I gave them a try.
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I had the same feelings when I had my supercharged c5 tuned. Still threw coded and a surging idle, was $700 for 25 minutes in the dyno and no street tuning. Will be going to race ready garage to get it looked at. Just felt very rushed and I told them max power wasn't my main concern, it was the driveability and cold start.
Yup, Dave at RR doesn't rush his work/tuning - that I know of 100%
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Old 05-27-2019, 07:17 PM
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I heard that Champion was the best. So I gave them a try.[/QUOTE]

apparently no longer true by the look of some of these posts....

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Old 05-28-2019, 07:00 AM
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JLS Tuning. He has Instagram
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JLS Tuning. He has Instagram

thats was one of the mechanics that used to work at SPI?
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Thereís also CC Performance. Heard really good things about them. Also have an IG acct
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Old 05-29-2019, 01:10 PM
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$700 is bloody theft. That's unbelievable.

It's just a GM with an LS motor... I wouldn't pay that much to tune a friggin Lamborghini for 30 minutes on a Dyno. What a bunch of asses. Thanks for the heads up, I know where I'm not going.

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Old 06-02-2019, 11:25 AM
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You guys arenít that far away from Dr. Phil. If you can track him down itís definitely worth the drive imo.
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Perhaps you could expand a bit....Is this Phil Hoefler in Michigan? Have you experience with him?

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Perhaps you could expand a bit....Is this Phil Hoefler in Michigan? Have you experience with him?
Yes absolutely, youíre correct it is Phil Hoefler. He tuned my car summer before last. Another tuner did it NA and when I blew it up he tuned it with the blower. Car bucked quite a bit down low and surged when coming to a stop. Phil got rid of that.
Unfortunately, I pinched a belt on the dyno while he was tuning it. Phil changed the belt himself, and tried again and it looked like it was about to throw it again so we had to stop. I had to force him take extra money for changing the belt. He had guys waiting to get on the dyno and it looked like I had some sort of alignment issue so we decided to try another day. Heís a class act. I believe heís a retired GM engineer.
I would drive 8 hours to without hesitation to have him tune my car, luckily he is somewhat local.
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Old 06-05-2019, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dankhts View Post
I feel your pain Ö. I think they used to be a sponsor here... but haven't heard much from them or about them lately....seems plenty of other tuning alternatives lately as the LSX type engines are popular in many applications....a chassis dyno in Dundas, Stoney Creek now, Cambridge......couple pretty sharp guys around with just laptops as well...
I've been away from the forum for a while. When I was here regularly I believe they were well thought of.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:53 PM
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I've been away from the forum for a while. When I was here regularly I believe they were well thought of.
I would say they were here often when DaSilva Motorsports was around - lots of bickering going on.
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I used them probably 6 or 7 years ago and found their pricing to be really fair. I had no issues with them.
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