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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 12:23 PM
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While I'm awaiting the factory restart so I can get my HTC I've been trying to decide on whether to put Graphine or Ceramic on it. Graphine is the latest and gets a lot of YouTube buzz. I've watched a number of videos and read numerous articles but it's hard to separate the hype from reality.
Hopefully some of you have had experience with both coatings and can provide some advice.

Here's one article describing the benefits of Graphine over Ceramic but it's really marketing.
https://www.thecardetailingqueen.com...vepaintcoating

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Adams makes a ceramic and graphene coating. My local shop recommend using that. I have no complaints. I also have no experience with ceramic coating other than on my C8.
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CitznFish
Adams makes a ceramic and graphene coating. My local shop recommend using that. I have no complaints. I also have no experience with ceramic coating other than on my C8.
My thoughts on the matter which, not being a scientist are worth exactly what you paid for them...that is, nothing

At the end of the day, look into finding a coating that seems to do the things you look for, regardless of whether it says graphene on the label or not. If it says 'graphene' on it...fine; if not, don't give it too much thought.

The current limitations of graphene and incorporating it into a true 'graphene coating" are, IMO still in the 'marketing stage'. That is, they take a small amount of Reduced Graphene Oxide, sprinkle it into an otherwise ceramic-based coating formulation...and that's about it.

I had a pro-level graphene coating (SPS) on my daily driver for about 14 months, 16k miles and while it was overall a very good coating, it didn't quite meet my needs like my preferred ceramics do. Details on that experience here if you like reading: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/sps-graphene-coating/

I have another graphene coating (Ethos) on my hood, roof and trunk now, details on that here: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/et...atrix-coating/

I grew curious about the whole thing when the recent graphene 'explosion' hit near the end of last Summer and after doing a lot of reading came up with some resources that kinda explain what seems to be the current 'graphene' train of thought...by some folks anyway: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/ot.../#GRAPHENECOAT

That doesn't mean in any way that graphene coatings are bad...or good, much like anything you choose from the plethora of ceramic, graphene, titanium or 'whatever' infused coatings out there. The fly in the ointment as it were is that many of the claimed benefits of graphene, specifically reduced water spotting, have not played out in the real world. Not in my personal experience or in many others who have used them. By the same token, there are some who claim it has reduced water-spotting so take everything w/ a grain of salt...including my experience and thoughts on the matter.

I really enjoyed the first graphene coating I had on my car, it did many things that some folks would find pleasing; it had a sharp, reflective gloss, it had excellent water behavior and a slick feel to the surface...in another situation is might fit my needs very nicely and initially I thought it was gonna be a winner. Unfortunately, it didn't quite match the overall performance of the ceramics (for my particular wants & needs) so it wasn't for me.

As with anything, Caveat Emptor and YMMV.

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Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1
My thoughts on the matter which, not being a scientist are worth exactly what you paid for them...that is, nothing

At the end of the day, look into finding a coating that seems to do the things you look for, regardless of whether it says graphene on the label or not. If it says 'graphene' on it...fine; if not, don't give it too much thought.

The current limitations of graphene and incorporating it into a true 'graphene coating" are, IMO still in the 'marketing stage'. That is, they take a small amount of Reduced Graphene Oxide, sprinkle it into an otherwise ceramic-based coating formulation...and that's about it.

I had a pro-level graphene coating (SPS) on my daily driver for about 14 months, 16k miles and while it was overall a very good coating, it didn't quite meet my needs like my preferred ceramics do. Details on that experience here if you like reading: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/sps-graphene-coating/

I have another graphene coating (Ethos) on my hood, roof and trunk now, details on that here: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/et...atrix-coating/

I grew curious about the whole thing when the recent graphene 'explosion' hit near the end of last Summer and after doing a lot of reading came up with some resources that kinda explain what seems to be the current 'graphene' train of thought...by some folks anyway: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/ot.../#GRAPHENECOAT

That doesn't mean in any way that graphene coatings are bad...or good, much like anything you choose from the plethora of ceramic, graphene, titanium or 'whatever' infused coatings out there. The fly in the ointment as it were is that many of the claimed benefits of graphene, specifically reduced water spotting, have not played out in the real world. Not in my personal experience or in many others who have used them. By the same token, there are some who claim it has reduced water-spotting so take everything w/ a grain of salt...including my experience and thoughts on the matter.

I really enjoyed the first graphene coating I had on my car, it did many things that some folks would find pleasing; it had a sharp, reflective gloss, it had excellent water behavior and a slick feel to the surface...in another situation is might fit my needs very nicely and initially I thought it was gonna be a winner. Unfortunately, it didn't quite match the overall performance of the ceramics (for my particular wants & needs) so it wasn't for me.

As with anything, Caveat Emptor and YMMV.
Great input. Thank you
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@BudgetPlan1 has it right and he's got experience with both. I have no first hand experience with Graphene coatings, only ceramic. I don't yet think we've gotten to the point in detailing chemistry where we can take full advantage of the merits of pure graphene. I'm no chemist, but it looks like there are small amounts of graphene in the products, enough to call them graphene, but not the amount of silica (SiO2) as there is in ceramic coatings. If there were, I think the differences would be way more obvious and compelling.

I'm not knocking graphene in any way shape or form, but I don't there we are completely there yet. So if I had to do it all again, I'd still go with the Modesta Glass Coating BC-05 I have on the clearcoat and the BC-06 I have on the rims.

That being said, I am very interested and willing to dip into the realms of graphene laced sacrificial layer and sealant type and detailer products over my Ceramic coating. I've got my eye on a bunch of products from ArtDeShine when I do eventfully step into the graphene arena.

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Here is a great write up!

Looking for more differences between Graphene Ceramic Coating™, and our Ceramic Coating? Click here to read the write up.
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