Roll-out
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Burning Brakes
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Roll-out
I think that DEEP staging def has advantages being that the roll-out is so long with the stock front tires. My best rt seems to be when I deep stage. Anyone have good r/t shallow staging? I noticed that I lose .2 off my ET though every time I deep stage. Makes it difficult to dial.
opinions?
opinions?
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Are you looking to better your reaction times or have a low ET. If you are a bracket racer then you need to have the R/T low. Most people that deep stage need too so they will have a low R/T. Many people deep stage to cut a light. 
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Burning Brakes
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yes, for bracket racing.. I have cut lights like, .045, .063, but I'm cutting .007, .009, .012 when I deep stage. I dont' know if its me, maybe I'm bad at cutting lights shallow or reg staging or maybe its the roll out from the big tires.
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With the new LED lights you have to react quicker then when they had the old bulbs.The LED lights are on then off.The old bulbs would be like a fade on to full on then fade out type thing.Do you kind of get the idea?If your not worried about what your car runs and you just want to cut a good light then deep stage................Paul
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have you been to a challenge event yet?
you could take out farley in rd 1
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Where do you leave on the tree???
Both shallow and deep????
It sounds like you may not know.
Both shallow and deep????
It sounds like you may not know.
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It seems like that is the latest "FAD" at E Town.. to take Rob out in Round #1... he usually takes the new escape road right through the sand at the end of the track...
After our last race (he lost 1st round 3 weeks in a row) I thought he was gonna eat his Glock
Sooo I'll avoid running Rob next race.. Not to worry he will be back with a VENGEANCE! Don't count him out...
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I think that DEEP staging def has advantages being that the roll-out is so long with the stock front tires. My best rt seems to be when I deep stage. Anyone have good r/t shallow staging? I noticed that I lose .2 off my ET though every time I deep stage. Makes it difficult to dial.
In the 1st diagram (I suck at the IntraWeb..... ), a car is staged with both-bulbs lit, and the bold Red line illustrates how-far the car must move before stopping the RT-clocks, but in the deep-staged diagram, you see this distance is much-less:
'assuming' everything-else remains constant (i.e. ~ the driver reacts the exact same, the car reacts the same, traction remains the same, etc. ) a car that is deep-staged will 'clear' the stage-beam first, because it is slightly-closer to it (think of a golfer, teeing-off from the Ladies tee ).
You are losing E.T. when you deep-stage because that bold Red line also shows how-much momentum, or a 'rolling-start' the car with both-bulbs lit has before he starts the E.T. clocks:
a few years ago on another Forum, a racer ran a simulation (which I'm not sure I agree with his findings, but it gives you an idea..... ) in-which his 10-second car was already traveling 5 MPH when he 'cleared' the stage-beam leaving with both-bulbs lit, but just 1 MPH if he deep-staged.
If you compare your time-slips between 'regular' runs and deep-staged runs, you'll see that most of your lost-E.T. is closest to the starting-line (60', 330', etc. ), while your 1000'-1320' incrementals remain almost the same, because by 1000', your car won't vary much from run-to-run if it is well sorted-out.
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thank you, that was very helpful and I really appreciate the response. Next time i race, which may presumably be tomorrow, I will let you know my results. I did notice the mph was lost mostly in my 660' but I did lose .2 and 3 mph on top.
and to answer the other question, the point I leave is bottom yellow.
and to answer the other question, the point I leave is bottom yellow.
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many racers, who attempt deep-staging for the first-time, think "I have-to back-off the tree, or else I'll go-Red" , which isn't necessarily-so, and defeats the purpose of going-deep in-itself.
If you are consistently Red (emphasis on consistently ), then you can back-off the converter/lower the launch RPM, lower the front PSI (increases rolling-resistence ), etc., which should make the car react slightly slower to your impulse (smacking the skinny-pedal ), but if YOU aren't physically consistent, we are just tinkling in the wind.....
Losing 2-tenths isn't uncommon, as my Z28 went from 13-teens to 13.30s in back-to-back testing, but I don't recall losing much, if-any, MPH.....
