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Mar 4, 2010 | 06:49 PM

#21

ray57

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I love this bench racing chatter. Hope this thread continues as the season gets under way. As I'm sure in most larger tracks, my home track has quite a few really talented racers that are able to keep MOV's within .01. Under what circumstances would you give up the stripe against a good compettitor in a tight race?

Mar 4, 2010 | 07:44 PM

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Harry7239

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Originally Posted by kazman

Sounds like you opponent got a car length in front and tried to come back to your fender. .05 is 1/2 a car lenght.

He hit the brakes quite a bit approaching the box, and I thought that I was gonna take the stripe by .02 or so, so I slammed the brakes through the timing boxes and it made him take the stripe .05.

It was one of those races that raised my confidence. I don't mess around much on the top end. I've done a lot of bracket racing in a 15-16 second car, so I'm used to getting big head starts and dialing the car as exactly what I think it'll run. I think this year will be a good learning year for me because I'm gonna be giving a lot more guys head starts.

Mar 4, 2010 | 09:12 PM

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kazman

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Originally Posted by ray57

I want to say never. Normally you don't want to give the stripe away. You want to take it by .01x . If your not going to take the stripe you dump hard and make your opponents MOV as large as possible.

Mar 4, 2010 | 09:23 PM

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kazman

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Originally Posted by Harry7239

I've done a lot of bracket racing in a 15-16 second car, so I'm used to getting big head starts and dialing the car as exactly what I think it'll run. I think this year will be a good learning year for me because I'm gonna be giving a lot more guys head starts.

I'm more confortable being the slower car. I have a 14 second car and normally run against 9 and 10 second cars. I love being at mid track and watching wheelies in my mirrors.

My dedicated bracket car only runs 12.0's. Most of my seat time has me going out first and being chased down.

Mar 4, 2010 | 11:03 PM

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WEB AIR

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Originally Posted by ray57

Under what circumstances would you give up the stripe against a good compettitor in a tight race?

NEVER. Unlike Kaz I don't dump anymore either. I used to but a good driver with a small lead will also dump when he sees you do it. If you're dial is legit it doesn't matter how much his MOV is. If he's bagging, do not give him the opportunity to let up.

Mar 5, 2010 | 08:57 AM

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kazman

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Originally Posted by WEB AIR

In a tight race where I don't know who is going to take the stripe I will most likely run it out. Just because I'm holding .02 in reality I may not and actually be running dead on or over. I have very consistant car however there are way too many variables. When holding I have a good idea that I will be dead on or faster and I should get to the stripe first. The other part of making a decision on the top end is knowing what kind of RT you have. If I feel that I killed the tree and its too close to call I will most likely dump in the last 60' of track. Dumping that close to the finish reduces your opponents reaction to you and eliminates time for them to make a counter move.

Mar 19, 2010 | 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kazman

Bringing this back up because I want to know why?

Are you saying that you are assuming that you are going to lose, so dump hard?

Why would you want the MOV to be as large as possible?

Thanks

Mar 19, 2010 | 11:16 AM

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kazman

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Originally Posted by Capthuff

Bringing this back up because I want to know why?

Are you saying that you are assuming that you are going to lose, so dump hard?

Why would you want the MOV to be as large as possible?

Thanks

If your not going to take stripe the only way you can win at that point is to get the other car to break or break out more than you in the event of a double breakout. If you giving stripe to the other car you want them to take as much MOV as possible. Again you want to do this as late as possible so the other car doesn't have time to counter your move and hit the brakes too. Don't forget the RT's come into play. If you get beat by .020 on the tree then you need to give them .020+ of stripe to play the breakout game. Everything effects everything else. This is assuming that you dialed correctly and one reason I usually hold some. By holding I know that I'm on the dial or quicker and should be able to take stripe every time. If I'm not able to take the stripe I can be pretty sure that were both on breakout runs or I really got killed big time on the tree.

On the opposite side if you take stripe you want the MOV to be as small as possible.

When I'm taking stripe I try for a .010-.019 MOV. If I'm giving the stripe I want to get as much seperation as possible .020-.080. A MOV of .050 is about 1/2 a car length.

Web Air's plan is to dial hard, hit the tree hard, and run it out the back door. This method never gives your opponent a window to hit the breaks. Web pushes the guy into breaking out.