I have been doing some research on bracket racing since the illness in my family occured. Since I have not been able to race I have done research. Correct me if I am wrong but you win if you have the better reaction time coupled with your dial in time. Now I have a 6 speed. I believe that puts me at a disadvantage to someone who has an automatic. Being that automatics are far more consistent. I am not say that it is cheating but dosen't that say something about the driver? I just believe that it takes away from the skill of racing. Anyone can do a burnout and then slam the gas. Only a true and skilled competitor can consistently slam through the gears of a 6 speed at a consistent pace. Hey, I am new and could be wrong but I think that automatics cheapen the competitive edge and give an edge to the person owning one. I think all people who participate in competitions for money or trophy's should have a standard tranny. It is better for the races. I am by no manner of the way saying that an automatic tranny owner is cheating. Not by a long shot. I am just enquiring as to weather it is considerably less difficult to win a race based on consistency with an automatic. Thanks guys. I realize i have just made a mistake. This was meant for off-topic. My apologies to those who I have inconvienanced.


[Modified by Grafield, 3:57 PM 6/24/2002]


[Modified by Grafield, 4:03 PM 6/24/2002]

 

Automatics definitely have an advantage in bracket racing, but it still takes some skill to race and win in an auto. Manuals just take a little more. ;)
But I do believe that whoever wins the race, wins. :yesnod: :cool:

 

It justseems weird to me. I go to the track and you hear people talking when you are waiting in you lane, "Watch out for so and so, they are really tuff to beat. Or that guy over there is a legend at brackett racing." Then I walk over and the guy is running an automatic. I would have more respect for the "legend" if he were using a 6 speed. Just my opinion, don't want to make waves. :blueangel:

 

Its not bracket racing, but last time I looked at Pro Stock they ALL ran sticks ;)

Sure is harder to be consistent w/a 6 speed, thats ONE of the reasons I bought an automatic Vette.. I win more..

If I had to race a 6 speed in a final for $$... do you think I'd say... Oh you are a manual... I'll just cut a .6xx light to give you a fair chance.. Nooooooooooo

If HE wanted a better chance to win in bracket racing he'd buy an auto..

BUT.. he wanted a 6M to enjoy on the street, have fun down shifting, slamming gears.. well you cant have it both ways.. either you give up slamming gears, & do better in bracket racing or get a 6m & practice..

Check with Redgar... he has all the stats on the Corvette Challenge... and I think its VERY close to 50/50 stick vs Auto in wins.. so I guess the stick guys are doing ok.. :)

 

Hey, none of the "legends" out there in any form of motorsport are there because they did it the hard way. They got there because they won, mostly thru having the best setup to get the job done. Dragracing is IMHO 90% car, 10% driver. Autocross on the other hand is 90% driver, 10% car.

 

Thanks guys I appreciate the feedback.

 

Grafield, it is not as easy as it looks. For example, you drive my car and I will drive your car in our first run this weekend. Now, what are you going to dial? How will you get the best light? When we get to the top end and we are neck in neck, will you lift or stay in it? Won't we both be suseptible to the same slippery or sticky condition on the starting line?

There is one skill an A4 Bracket racer has that an M6 bracket racer doesn't have (flame suit one), the skill to pick the right tranny (for his sport).:jester

Now when you drive your car on Pocono speedway and come down the straigtaway at 140 MPH into a 70 MPH turn followed by a 35 MPH turn into a 90 mile an short chute into a 100 MPH s turn into a 40 MPH left and out into a 80 MPH right and 140 straight, the A4 guy with the big converter and an overheated transsmission is the one sitting in the stands saying the M6 has the advantage.

Different strokes. I sold my M6 to buy my A4 cause I bracket race. That is what I do, and I will take every advantage I can.

 

[QUOTE] Correct me if I am wrong but you win if you have the better reaction time coupled with your dial in time. Now I have a 6 speed. I believe that puts me at a disadvantage to someone who has an automatic. Being that automatics are far more consistent.


6m cars have been doing real good at the Cartek Corvette Challenge but the driversOf THOSE CAR I feel would do even better if they had A4.
Just look at Edgar since he got his A4. He's been doing a fine job.

A rule is a rule, you use it to your advantage. RESPECT or not.

 

Panuzzo, your just to OLD to drive a stick :p:

 

Dude.... Before you assume anything, why don't you review the stats of the Challenge races and others, and see who has the edge???

I think you'd be suprised....

From, a "cheater" non-skiled driver, with an unfair advantage...

Yo bro, do you consider guys having a weather station ET predictor cheating as well?, or electronics?????

Look, there are LOTS of things that can give the RIGHT driver an edge, be it in driving, or ET predicting...

Bottom line is the CAR STILL NEEDS TO BE DRIVEN! :yesnod:

 

 

You make drag racing your life, then you care about things like the consistency of an automatic transmission.

If you love sports cars for speed and fun there is only one way to get it....just like the philosophy of the viper...you want an automatic tranny buy a minivan, dont waste a good engine :cheers:

 

What is your point auto aren't fast or Fun? Please clarify

 

Not that they are not fun, but they are definately not the weapon of choice for people who like to drive their car hard and enjoy it...try any road race course and see what percentage of cars are automatic...

FOr example yesterday we invited anyone who likes to drive out and 18 fast cars showed up ALL being manual transmissions :cheers:

 

 

Lets run baby, twists or no twists

 

You can have it both ways, buy two cars.

I've already proven that I can drive a 6 speed, Edgar has proven it also as well as Rich S,Bill M & Bill M and many many other drivers(list really is too long).

We have all won eliminators with our 6 speeds.

Looking at my time slips, I'm pretty damn consistent when the track is good.

But since I bought the auto, I'm even more consistent. I wouldn't give up my 6 speed for anything, but for strictly drag racing, I'm using my automatic. Now if and when I finally get my butt on a road course, you better believe I'm driving my 6 speed.

Mackey called me Ronnie Sox Jr and that is a great compliment. Ronnie Sox has been my idol for years.

I will bracket race my 6 speed again this year(already did at Bowling Green), but not at a Cartek Corvette Challenge.
I want to see more win lights,I've had greater success in the 6 speed, I want to pass myself in the auto.

 

Oh, BTW this isn't Off Topic, but it does belong in "Drag Racing" think I'll put it there.

 

I think both finalists at the Corvette Shootout were manual shift cars, I went out 2nd round to Mackey and I was driving an auto car.

 

Artie, it was a 4 speed vs a 6 speed, the 4 speed won.