Why not 150 octane Alcohol???
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Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (BrianCunningham)
Chevy actually made a car with that option.
Actually is was water injection for the Turbo Corvairs. You had to mix a little alcohol in to keep it from freazing. The pump went on under high boost.
Running it on alky, even for just an afternoon, sounds like a solution for those who can't seem to pass the sniffer test.
Actually is was water injection for the Turbo Corvairs. You had to mix a little alcohol in to keep it from freazing. The pump went on under high boost.
Running it on alky, even for just an afternoon, sounds like a solution for those who can't seem to pass the sniffer test.
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Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (onedef92)
Didn't the Oldsmobile F85 Coupes with the legendary Rocket V8s have this same bottle under the hood, too? :confused:
this was before intercoolers & wastegates for that matter.
they also had boose ignition retard
BTW can you see M85 burn? If your wondering why CART had a pit fire Sunday. Had everyone running around looking like lonatics because you couldn't see the fire again.
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Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (BrianCunningham)
Great topic guys!
I remember during the oil crisis back in the late 70's- I was only about 10 years old, but I remember the SCANDAL of gasohol. There were 2 distinct camps. First there were those who welcomed the addition of alcohol to gasoline to stretch the gasoline, and decrease emissions, particularly since it made gas more accessible- and the lines at the pumps were shortened.
Then there was the purist, more conservative camp who considered it an act of a communist regime that was forcing the world to consume tainted motor fuel, and refused to put GASOHOL in their cars, spending alot more money for pure fuel where they could find it.
My family bought whatever was cheap- which was usually the gasohol, and the engine of our 1978 Monte Carlo with a 305 did ping on hard acceleration, but we got around just fine.
When I drove a Suburban up to Colorado in 1992- I noticed all of the gas stations had fuel with MTBE- methyl-tertiary-butyl-ethanol in it. I thought this was not a problem until I had to gas up- and saw the octane at 85. I reasoned that we were at a higher elevation, and so it would be OK- that motor pinged like crazy- and DRANK fuel climbing the mountains. I wondered about why these cars ran badly on the gasohol blends- so I asked my Physics prof about it. He ended up explaining different properties of gasoline, with descriptions of "stabilizers, lubricants, and cleansers", but ultimately said that it was NOT the fault of the ethanol that caused the cars to run poorly, but the poor quality of the gasoline that was mixed with it. This made sense. He also explained that there was really no reason NOT to blend ethanol in fuel other than the mild corrosive character of the ethanol, and the obvious effect this could have on the oil producers of the country. He described that there was no financial benefit to blending fuels by the oil companies right now- there's too much money to be made doing it "this way". He did describe, however, that it is VERY cheap to produce alcohol for burning as a fuel, requiring far less $ to produce than gasoline, and doing far less harm to our environment to produce, AND to burn as a fuel. He finished our talk by saying- even if we only added a 5% blend of alcohol to gasoline in our cars, it would cut down on emissions by at least that much, and would decrease the amount of oil we would be buying from middle eastern countries by that much as well- resulting in millions in savings.
I had this talk with my prof back in 1992. Right now- gas is 99 cents a gallon at the corner store in my neighborhood, which is very cheap right now- cheap on purpose, because OPEC didn't slow production last month. Imagine what the prices would be if there was more of an incentive to keep prices this low- like that oil imported to this country could be cut by a total of 5 to 10%.....
I remember during the oil crisis back in the late 70's- I was only about 10 years old, but I remember the SCANDAL of gasohol. There were 2 distinct camps. First there were those who welcomed the addition of alcohol to gasoline to stretch the gasoline, and decrease emissions, particularly since it made gas more accessible- and the lines at the pumps were shortened.
Then there was the purist, more conservative camp who considered it an act of a communist regime that was forcing the world to consume tainted motor fuel, and refused to put GASOHOL in their cars, spending alot more money for pure fuel where they could find it.
My family bought whatever was cheap- which was usually the gasohol, and the engine of our 1978 Monte Carlo with a 305 did ping on hard acceleration, but we got around just fine.
When I drove a Suburban up to Colorado in 1992- I noticed all of the gas stations had fuel with MTBE- methyl-tertiary-butyl-ethanol in it. I thought this was not a problem until I had to gas up- and saw the octane at 85. I reasoned that we were at a higher elevation, and so it would be OK- that motor pinged like crazy- and DRANK fuel climbing the mountains. I wondered about why these cars ran badly on the gasohol blends- so I asked my Physics prof about it. He ended up explaining different properties of gasoline, with descriptions of "stabilizers, lubricants, and cleansers", but ultimately said that it was NOT the fault of the ethanol that caused the cars to run poorly, but the poor quality of the gasoline that was mixed with it. This made sense. He also explained that there was really no reason NOT to blend ethanol in fuel other than the mild corrosive character of the ethanol, and the obvious effect this could have on the oil producers of the country. He described that there was no financial benefit to blending fuels by the oil companies right now- there's too much money to be made doing it "this way". He did describe, however, that it is VERY cheap to produce alcohol for burning as a fuel, requiring far less $ to produce than gasoline, and doing far less harm to our environment to produce, AND to burn as a fuel. He finished our talk by saying- even if we only added a 5% blend of alcohol to gasoline in our cars, it would cut down on emissions by at least that much, and would decrease the amount of oil we would be buying from middle eastern countries by that much as well- resulting in millions in savings.
I had this talk with my prof back in 1992. Right now- gas is 99 cents a gallon at the corner store in my neighborhood, which is very cheap right now- cheap on purpose, because OPEC didn't slow production last month. Imagine what the prices would be if there was more of an incentive to keep prices this low- like that oil imported to this country could be cut by a total of 5 to 10%.....
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Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (CarbedC4)
Ok, once this alcohol conversion is done, how do i get my car smog exempt here in california? people are telling me itll fall under the alternative fuel act thing but how do you go about getting your car exempted from smog?
Take it to the referee.
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Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (Mojo)
Okay, so you could convert your car to lets say propane have it inspected by a referee in California. You now have a smog exempt car. Drive back home reinstall your factory fuel injection, and never worry about a smog test again. I say we get a bunch of people together buy what we need and take turns at the referee station, yeah. :D
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Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (IBEAM700)
sounds good to me. ethanol is the easiest conversion. Its not very corrosive compared to methanol. Anyone know the process of going through the referree?? does it still have to be smog legal parts or does my carb pass?
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Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (CarbedC4)
This whole alcohol idea is really not practical for a street car. I have run Methanol for years in a race motorcycle so I've been there. Jetting is a pain especially as the weather changes. The fuel is hygroscopic so it absorbs water directly from the atmosphere. Once a certain amount of water is absorbed you start running lean. Just buying quality alcohol is near impossible. I know, I always tested my fuel with a hydrometer. Also, starting in cold weather sucks. Etc., etc., etc.
The only reason to go with alcohol is for the additional power that you can make with methanol. You will pick up about 15% more hp if you raise the compression and advance the ignition properly. Ethanol does not contain the additional energy that methanol does so horsepower levels are similar to gasoline without any real benefits. You'll have plenty of headaches though.
The only reason to go with alcohol is for the additional power that you can make with methanol. You will pick up about 15% more hp if you raise the compression and advance the ignition properly. Ethanol does not contain the additional energy that methanol does so horsepower levels are similar to gasoline without any real benefits. You'll have plenty of headaches though.
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Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (Cam Potter)
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1994 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of December 16, 1997)
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Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
Ford RFM4.988GOJA MDV, Tier 0
Ford RFM4.988GAJA LDT, AB965
B. Clean Air Partners, Inc. - E.O. B-40-2, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors RGM4.3C5GAAA HDE
C. OHG, Inc. - E.O. B-13-10, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors R3G4.325G1EA LDT, Tier 1
D. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-67, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors RGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
E. Power Systems Associates, LLC. - E.O. B-49-2, CNG/Diesel & LNG/ Diesel
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Caterpillar RCP629EZDARA HDE bi-fuel
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A. GFI Controls - E.O. B-16-10, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
Chrysler RCR3.3V8GFEA PC, Tier 1
Chrysler RCR5.288GAEA LDT, AB 965
Chrysler RCR36088GOEA LDT/MDV, Tier 0
Ford RFM3.0V8G1EA PC, Tier 1
Ford RFM3.018G1EA LDT, Tier 1
Ford RFM3.8V8G1GA PC, Tier 1
Ford RFM4.018G1EA LDT, Tier 1
Ford RFM5.888GOJA MDV, Tier 0
Ford RFM7.5B8GACA HDE
General Motors R1G2.2V7GEEA PC, Tier 1
General Motors R1G3.1V8GFEA PC, Tier 1
General Motors R3G4.375GAEA LDT, Tier 0
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General Motors R3G4.385GAEA LDT/MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G5.725G1EA LDT, Tier 1
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General Motors RGM7.0C5GAAA HDE
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B. Impco Technologies, Inc.
1. ADP System - B-4-48, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
Ford RFM3.8V8G1GA PC, Tier 1
Ford RFM4.988GAJA LDT, AB965
Ford RFM4.988GOJA LDT, Tier 0
Ford RFM5.888GOJA MDV, Tier 0
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General Motors R3G4.375GAEA LDT, Tier 0
General Motors R3G5.725G1EA LDT, Tier 1
General Motors R3G5.785GAEB MDV, Tier 0
General Motors RGM5.7C5GAAA HDE
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Ford RFM4.988GOJA LDT, Tier 0
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Ford RFM4.988GAJA LDT, AB965
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General Motors R3G5.725G1EA LDT, Tier 1
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General Motors RGM5.7C5GAAA HDE
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Chrysler RCR36088GOEA LDT/MDV, Tier 0
Ford RFM5.888GOJA MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G5.785GAEB MDV, Tier 0
General Motors RGM7.0C5GAAA HDE
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1995 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
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A. GFI Controls
1. E.O. B-16-17 & B-16-19, CNG
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Ford SFM4.988GOJA MDV, Tier 0
Ford SFM4.988GAJA LDT, AB965
2. E.O. B-16-26, B-16-27, CNG
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General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
General Motors SGM7.4C5GAEA HDE dedicated
B. Clean Air Partners, Inc. - E.O. B-40-3, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors SGM4.3C5GAAA MDE
C. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-68, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
D. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-71, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors S3G5.7J5G1EA MDV3, Tier 1 dedicated
E. Mesa Environmental
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General Motors S3G4.3H5G1EA MDV2, Tier 1 dedicated
2. GEM System - E.O. B-34-12, B-34-13, B-34-14, B-34-15, CNG
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Ford SFM7.5B8G1CA MDE4, Tier 1 dedicated
Ford SFM7.5B8GACA MDE4, Tier 0 dedicated
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Ford SFM7.5B8G1CA MDE4, Tier 1 dual fuel
F. Power Systems Associates, LLC. - E.O. B-49-1, CNG/Diesel & LNG/ Diesel
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar SCP629EZDARK HDE bi-fuel
1995 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
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A. GFI Controls
1. E.O. B-16-22, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S1G4.3V8G1EA PC, Tier 1
General Motors S3G4.329GFHB LDT, Tier 1
General Motors S3G5.785GBEB MDV, Tier 1
General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM4.9H8G1JA LDT, Tier 1
Ford SFM4.9J8G1JA MDV, Tier 1
Chrysler SCR3.3V8GFEA PC, Tier 1
Chrysler SCR23928G1FA LDT, Tier 1
Chrysler SCR360J8G1FA MDV, Tier 1
2. E.O. B-16-24, LPG
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General Motors S3G5.7H5G0EA LDT, Tier 0
General Motors S3G4.329GFHB LDT, Tier 1
General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors SGM7.4C5GAEA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors SGM5.7C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM5.088G0JA LDT, Tier 0
Ford SFM7.5B8GACA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM7.5B8G1CA HDE, Tier 0
B. Impco Technologies, Inc.
1. AFE System - E.O. B-4-52, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S3G5.7J5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
2. ADP System - E.O. B-4-54, CNG (B-4-54 was superseded by B-4-56.)
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General Motors S3G5.7J5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
General Motors S3G5.7H5G0EA MDV, Tier 0
General Motors S3G4.3H5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
Ford SFM4.9H8G1JA MDV, Tier 1
3. ADP System - E.O. B-4-56, CNG
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General Motors S3G5.7H5G0EA MDV, Tier 0
General Motors S3G4.3H5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
Ford SFM4.9H8G1JA MDV, Tier 1
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II. CERTIFIED TO OLD REGULATIONS (As of July 27, 1998) continued
B. Impco Technologies, Inc.
4. AFE System - E.O. B-4-55, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S3G5.785GBEB MDV, Tier 1
5. ADP System - E.O. B-4-72, LPG
Vehicle Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Ford SFM5.8H8G1EA MDV, Tier 1 dedicated/
SFM4.9H8G1JA MDV, Tier 1 dual fuel
C. Mesa Environmental
1. GEM TBI System - E.O. B-34-16, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors SGM5.7C5GAAA MDE, HDE dedicated/
dual fuel
2. GEM MPI System - E.O. B-34-8, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Ford SFM7.5B8GACA MDE dedicated
Ford SFM7.5B8G1CA MDE dedicated
D. Baytech Corp. - E.O. B-41-3, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors SGM5.7C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors S3G5.7J5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
General Motors S3G4.315GEEA LDT, Tier 1
E. OHG, Inc. - E.O. B-13-9, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S3G4.3H5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
General Motors S3G4.329GFHB LDT, Tier 1
General Motors S3G5.7H5G0EA LDT, Tier 0
General Motors S3G5.785GBEB MDV, Tier 1
General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors SGM7.4C5GAEA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors S3G4.325GEEA LDT, Tier 1
Ford SFM5.8H8G1EA MDV, Tier 1
Ford SFM5.8J8G1EB MDV, Tier 1
Ford SFM7.5C8GARA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM7.5C8GACA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM5.8B8GACA HDE, Tier 0
Chrysler SCR360J8G1FA MDV, Tier 1
1996 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
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A. GFI Controls
1. E.O. B-16-28, B-16-29, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors TGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
General Motors TGM7.4C5GAEA HDE dedicated
2. E.O. B-16-30, B-16-31, B-16-32, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Ford TFM4.958GKJK MDV dual fuel
Ford TFM4.968GKJK MDV dual fuel
Ford TFM2.0VJG1EK PC dual fuel
B. Power Systems Associates, LLC.
1. E.O. B-49, CNG/LNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar TCP629EZDARK HDE bi-fuel
2. E.O. B-49-4, CNG/LNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar TCP629EZDARM HDE bi-fuel
C. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-69, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors TGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
II. CERTIFIED TO OLD REGULATIONS (As of April 10, 1997)
A. GFI Controls
1. E.O. B-16-25, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Ford TFM3.018G1EK LDT1, Tier 1 dual fuel
General Motors TGM5.7CPGAEA MDE, Tier 1 dual fuel
Ford TFM7.5C8GARA HDE dedicated/dual fuel
2. E.O. B-16-33, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors TGM7.4C5GAEA HDE dedicated/dual fuel
B. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-6
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors TGM5.76PGFEK MDV, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
General Motors TGM5.7CPGAEA HDE dedicated/dual fuel
General Motors TGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated/dual fuel
1997 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of May 11, 1999)
A. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-70, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors VGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
B. Power Systems Associates, LLC. - E.O. B-49, CNG/LNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar VCP629EZDARX HDE bi-fuel
C. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-7
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors VGM5.7CPGAEA MDE, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
D. Power Systems Associates - E.O. B-49-6
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar VCP442DZDARK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
1998 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of May 11, 1999)
A. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-8
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors WGMXH05.7582 MDE, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
B. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-9
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar WCPXHO629ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
C. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-12
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar WCPXHO729ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
1999 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of February 2, 2000)
A. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-9
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors XGMXH05.7582 MDE, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
1999 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of February 2, 2000) continued
B. IMPCO Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-73, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors XGMXH07.4502 HDE, Tier 1 dedicated
C. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-8
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar XCPXHO629ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
D. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-11
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar XCPXHO729ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
2000 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of October 24, 2000)
A. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-10
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors YGMXH05.7582 MDE, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
B. Power Systems Associates - E.O. B-49-7
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar YCPXHO629ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
C. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-10
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar YCPXHO729ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
D. IMPCO Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-74, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors YGMXH07.4502 HDE, Tier 1 dedicated
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Definitions: Dedicated - operates on only fuel listed
Dual Fuel - operates on alternative fuel listed or gasoline separately
Bi-Fuel - operates on alternative fuel listed and diesel simultaneously
Automotive emissions account for over 50% of all smog-forming pollutants in California. To improve air quality, the California Air Resources Board (ARB) requires vehicle manufacturers to develop engine and emission equipment systems that reduce the specific pollutants that cause California's severe air quality problem. These emission control systems are also required to be proven durable and reliable.
To ensure that these systems operate as designed, California Vehicle Code Section 27156 and the Federal Clean Air Act prohibit modifications that increase motor vehicle emissions. Since if properly designed, most performance modifications do not increase vehicle emissions, these same laws also allow the installation of parts or modifications proven by their manufacturers and the ARB not to increase vehicle emissions.
Aftermarket Parts related programs include:
Aftermarket parts sold in California
Additional Information for Manufacturers of Aftermarket Parts
California Environmental Protection Agency's (Cal-EPA's) Environmental Technology Certification Program
Alternative Fuel Certified Retrofit Systems
Heavy-Duty Diesel Retrofit Device Emission Reduction Verification
Off-Road Vehicles, Engines, and Equipment
All aftermarket parts sold in California belong to one of the following three groups:
Replacement parts
Replacement parts guide Replacement parts are made by aftermarket part manufacturers to replace original equipment. These parts are legal to use as long as the manufacturer has shown that they are functionally identical to the part they are replacing.
Legal add-on or modified parts (Executive Order parts)
List of parts granted Executive Orders (EO's) Exempted parts are add-on or modified parts that have undergone an ARB engineering evaluation. If the part or modification is shown to not increase vehicle emissions, it is granted an exemption to emission control system anti-tampering laws. This exemption is called an Executive Order (EO) and allows the modification to be installed on specific emission controlled vehicles. Every Executive Order part or modification has an assigned number that can be verified by Smog Check stations, BAR Referee stations, or by the ARB.
Competition or racing use only parts
Information about uncontrolled vehicles Competition or racing parts are those that have not been proven by their manufacturer to not increase vehicle emissions. These parts are not legal for use on any pollution controlled vehicle. These parts may only be used on closed course racing or competition vehicles or on off-road vehicles manufactured prior to the introduction of emissions control standards (uncontrolled vehicles).
Additional Information for Manufacturers of Aftermarket Parts
An exemption from Vehicle Code section 27156 (VC 27156), California's anti-tampering law, is required before any add-on or modified part can be sold in California. Manufacturers interested in obtaining a VC 27156 exemption for an add-on or a modified part should fill-out and submit an application form and other required information to the ARB for evaluation.
California Environmental Protection Agency's (Cal-EPA's) Environmental Technology Certification Program
Manufacturers interested in validating their claims of emission reductions can participate in the California Environmental Protection Agency's (Cal-EPA's) Environmental Technology Certification Program. Applicants for VC 27156 exemption who also plan to participate in Cal-EPA's Environmental Technology Certification Program should inform staff of their intent so guidance can be provided to streamline the process. For additional information on Cal-EPA's Environmental Technology Certification Program, you may check their website at http://www.calepa.ca.gov/CalCert or contact staff at CalCert@calepa.ca.gov.
Alternative Fuel Certified Retrofit Systems
Under current California regulations, conversion of emission-controlled vehicles with retrofit systems to operate on alternative fuels, such as propane and natural gas, in lieu of the original gasoline or diesel fuel is only allowed if the retrofit systems have been evaluated and certified by the Air Resources Board. The certification must be obtained by the manufacturer of the retrofit system and is issued by the Air Resources Board once the manufacturer demonstrates compliance with the emission, warranty, and durability requirements. View a list of certified retrofit systems for 1994 and newer model-year vehicles
1994 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of December 16, 1997)
A. GFI Controls - E.O. B-16-16 & B-16-18, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
Ford RFM4.988GOJA MDV, Tier 0
Ford RFM4.988GAJA LDT, AB965
B. Clean Air Partners, Inc. - E.O. B-40-2, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors RGM4.3C5GAAA HDE
C. OHG, Inc. - E.O. B-13-10, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors R3G4.325G1EA LDT, Tier 1
D. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-67, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors RGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
E. Power Systems Associates, LLC. - E.O. B-49-2, CNG/Diesel & LNG/ Diesel
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar RCP629EZDARA HDE bi-fuel
II. CERTIFIED TO OLD REGULATIONS (As of June 27, 1995)
A. GFI Controls - E.O. B-16-10, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
Chrysler RCR3.3V8GFEA PC, Tier 1
Chrysler RCR5.288GAEA LDT, AB 965
Chrysler RCR36088GOEA LDT/MDV, Tier 0
Ford RFM3.0V8G1EA PC, Tier 1
Ford RFM3.018G1EA LDT, Tier 1
Ford RFM3.8V8G1GA PC, Tier 1
Ford RFM4.018G1EA LDT, Tier 1
Ford RFM5.888GOJA MDV, Tier 0
Ford RFM7.5B8GACA HDE
General Motors R1G2.2V7GEEA PC, Tier 1
General Motors R1G3.1V8GFEA PC, Tier 1
General Motors R3G4.375GAEA LDT, Tier 0
General Motors R3G4.385GAEB LDT/MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G4.385GAEA LDT/MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G5.725G1EA LDT, Tier 1
General Motors R3G5.785GAEB MDV, Tier 0
General Motors RGM7.0C5GAAA HDE
1994 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
II. CERTIFIED TO OLD REGULATIONS (As of June 27, 1995) continued
B. Impco Technologies, Inc.
1. ADP System - B-4-48, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
Ford RFM3.8V8G1GA PC, Tier 1
Ford RFM4.988GAJA LDT, AB965
Ford RFM4.988GOJA LDT, Tier 0
Ford RFM5.888GOJA MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G4.385GAEA LDT/MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G4.385GAEB LDT/MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G4.375GAEA LDT, Tier 0
General Motors R3G5.725G1EA LDT, Tier 1
General Motors R3G5.785GAEB MDV, Tier 0
General Motors RGM5.7C5GAAA HDE
2. ADP System - E.O. B-4-49, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
Ford RFM4.988GOJA LDT, Tier 0
Ford RFM5.888GOJA MDV, Tier 0
Ford RFM4.988GAJA LDT, AB965
Ford RFM3.8V8G1GA PC, Tier 1
General Motors R3G4.385GAEA LDT/MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G4.385GAEB LDT/MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G4.375GAEA LDT, Tier 0
General Motors R3G5.725G1EA LDT, Tier 1
General Motors R3G5.785GAEB MDV, Tier 0
General Motors RGM5.7C5GAAA HDE
3. AFE System - E.O. B-4-50, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors R3G5.725G1EA LDT, Tier 1
General Motors R3G5.785GAEB MDV, Tier 0
General Motors RGM5.7C5GAAA HDE
C. OHG, Inc. - E.O. B-13-8, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
Chrysler RCR36088GOEA LDT/MDV, Tier 0
Ford RFM5.888GOJA MDV, Tier 0
General Motors R3G5.785GAEB MDV, Tier 0
General Motors RGM7.0C5GAAA HDE
General Motors RGM7.4C5GAEA HDE
1995 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of July 27, 1998)
A. GFI Controls
1. E.O. B-16-17 & B-16-19, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
Ford SFM4.988GOJA MDV, Tier 0
Ford SFM4.988GAJA LDT, AB965
2. E.O. B-16-26, B-16-27, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
General Motors SGM7.4C5GAEA HDE dedicated
B. Clean Air Partners, Inc. - E.O. B-40-3, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors SGM4.3C5GAAA MDE
C. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-68, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
D. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-71, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors S3G5.7J5G1EA MDV3, Tier 1 dedicated
E. Mesa Environmental
1. GEM System - E.O. B-34-11, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors S3G4.3H5G1EA MDV2, Tier 1 dedicated
2. GEM System - E.O. B-34-12, B-34-13, B-34-14, B-34-15, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Ford SFM7.5B8G1CA MDE4, Tier 1 dedicated
Ford SFM7.5B8GACA MDE4, Tier 0 dedicated
Ford SFM7.5B8GACA MDE4, Tier 0 dual fuel
Ford SFM7.5B8G1CA MDE4, Tier 1 dual fuel
F. Power Systems Associates, LLC. - E.O. B-49-1, CNG/Diesel & LNG/ Diesel
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar SCP629EZDARK HDE bi-fuel
1995 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
II. CERTIFIED TO OLD REGULATIONS (As of July 27, 1998)
A. GFI Controls
1. E.O. B-16-22, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S1G4.3V8G1EA PC, Tier 1
General Motors S3G4.329GFHB LDT, Tier 1
General Motors S3G5.785GBEB MDV, Tier 1
General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM4.9H8G1JA LDT, Tier 1
Ford SFM4.9J8G1JA MDV, Tier 1
Chrysler SCR3.3V8GFEA PC, Tier 1
Chrysler SCR23928G1FA LDT, Tier 1
Chrysler SCR360J8G1FA MDV, Tier 1
2. E.O. B-16-24, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S3G5.7H5G0EA LDT, Tier 0
General Motors S3G4.329GFHB LDT, Tier 1
General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors SGM7.4C5GAEA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors SGM5.7C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM5.088G0JA LDT, Tier 0
Ford SFM7.5B8GACA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM7.5B8G1CA HDE, Tier 0
B. Impco Technologies, Inc.
1. AFE System - E.O. B-4-52, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S3G5.7J5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
2. ADP System - E.O. B-4-54, CNG (B-4-54 was superseded by B-4-56.)
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S3G5.7J5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
General Motors S3G5.7H5G0EA MDV, Tier 0
General Motors S3G4.3H5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
Ford SFM4.9H8G1JA MDV, Tier 1
3. ADP System - E.O. B-4-56, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S3G5.7H5G0EA MDV, Tier 0
General Motors S3G4.3H5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
Ford SFM4.9H8G1JA MDV, Tier 1
1995 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
II. CERTIFIED TO OLD REGULATIONS (As of July 27, 1998) continued
B. Impco Technologies, Inc.
4. AFE System - E.O. B-4-55, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S3G5.785GBEB MDV, Tier 1
5. ADP System - E.O. B-4-72, LPG
Vehicle Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Ford SFM5.8H8G1EA MDV, Tier 1 dedicated/
SFM4.9H8G1JA MDV, Tier 1 dual fuel
C. Mesa Environmental
1. GEM TBI System - E.O. B-34-16, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors SGM5.7C5GAAA MDE, HDE dedicated/
dual fuel
2. GEM MPI System - E.O. B-34-8, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Ford SFM7.5B8GACA MDE dedicated
Ford SFM7.5B8G1CA MDE dedicated
D. Baytech Corp. - E.O. B-41-3, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors SGM5.7C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors S3G5.7J5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
General Motors S3G4.315GEEA LDT, Tier 1
E. OHG, Inc. - E.O. B-13-9, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class
General Motors S3G4.3H5G1EA MDV, Tier 1
General Motors S3G4.329GFHB LDT, Tier 1
General Motors S3G5.7H5G0EA LDT, Tier 0
General Motors S3G5.785GBEB MDV, Tier 1
General Motors SGM7.0C5GAAA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors SGM7.4C5GAEA HDE, Tier 0
General Motors S3G4.325GEEA LDT, Tier 1
Ford SFM5.8H8G1EA MDV, Tier 1
Ford SFM5.8J8G1EB MDV, Tier 1
Ford SFM7.5C8GARA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM7.5C8GACA HDE, Tier 0
Ford SFM5.8B8GACA HDE, Tier 0
Chrysler SCR360J8G1FA MDV, Tier 1
1996 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of December 16, 1997)
A. GFI Controls
1. E.O. B-16-28, B-16-29, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors TGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
General Motors TGM7.4C5GAEA HDE dedicated
2. E.O. B-16-30, B-16-31, B-16-32, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Ford TFM4.958GKJK MDV dual fuel
Ford TFM4.968GKJK MDV dual fuel
Ford TFM2.0VJG1EK PC dual fuel
B. Power Systems Associates, LLC.
1. E.O. B-49, CNG/LNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar TCP629EZDARK HDE bi-fuel
2. E.O. B-49-4, CNG/LNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar TCP629EZDARM HDE bi-fuel
C. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-69, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors TGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
II. CERTIFIED TO OLD REGULATIONS (As of April 10, 1997)
A. GFI Controls
1. E.O. B-16-25, CNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Ford TFM3.018G1EK LDT1, Tier 1 dual fuel
General Motors TGM5.7CPGAEA MDE, Tier 1 dual fuel
Ford TFM7.5C8GARA HDE dedicated/dual fuel
2. E.O. B-16-33, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors TGM7.4C5GAEA HDE dedicated/dual fuel
B. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-6
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors TGM5.76PGFEK MDV, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
General Motors TGM5.7CPGAEA HDE dedicated/dual fuel
General Motors TGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated/dual fuel
1997 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of May 11, 1999)
A. Impco Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-70, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors VGM7.0C5GAAA HDE dedicated
B. Power Systems Associates, LLC. - E.O. B-49, CNG/LNG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar VCP629EZDARX HDE bi-fuel
C. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-7
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors VGM5.7CPGAEA MDE, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
D. Power Systems Associates - E.O. B-49-6
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar VCP442DZDARK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
1998 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of May 11, 1999)
A. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-8
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors WGMXH05.7582 MDE, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
B. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-9
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar WCPXHO629ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
C. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-12
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar WCPXHO729ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
1999 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of February 2, 2000)
A. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-9
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors XGMXH05.7582 MDE, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
1999 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of February 2, 2000) continued
B. IMPCO Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-73, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors XGMXH07.4502 HDE, Tier 1 dedicated
C. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-8
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar XCPXHO629ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
D. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-11
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar XCPXHO729ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
2000 MODEL-YEAR RETROFIT SYSTEM CERTIFICATION
I. CERTIFIED TO NEW REGULATIONS (As of October 24, 2000)
A. Baytech Corporation - E.O. B-41-10
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors YGMXH05.7582 MDE, Tier 1 dedicated/dual fuel
B. Power Systems Associates - E.O. B-49-7
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar YCPXHO629ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
C. Power Systems Associates, Inc. - E.O. B-49-10
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
Caterpillar YCPXHO729ERK HDE dedicated/dual fuel
D. IMPCO Technologies, Inc. - E.O. B-4-74, LPG
Vehicle Make Engine Family Vehicle Class System
General Motors YGMXH07.4502 HDE, Tier 1 dedicated
Nomenclature: PC - passenger car LDT - light-duty truck MDV - medium-duty vehicle
HDE/MDE - heavy-duty or medium duty engine
Tier 1 - certified to more stringent emission standards for that model year
Tier 0 - certified to less stringent standards for that model year
AB 965 - certified to federal emission standards
Definitions: Dedicated - operates on only fuel listed
Dual Fuel - operates on alternative fuel listed or gasoline separately
Bi-Fuel - operates on alternative fuel listed and diesel simultaneously
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From: Volcano, HI
Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (IBEAM700)
IBEAM,
If air quality was really all that mattered, they'd never look under the hood at all. They'd just hook the sniffer up to the tailpipe and take a reading. It's really all about $$$
If air quality was really all that mattered, they'd never look under the hood at all. They'd just hook the sniffer up to the tailpipe and take a reading. It's really all about $$$
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From: Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffin glue Orlando
Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (Mojo)
Mojo
I couldn’t agree more. That’s why Id like to go alternative fuel for a day, and never worry about a sniffer test again. I do plan on moving back to California some day.
Oh by the way I took that entire post from the C.A.R.B website. :smash:
I couldn’t agree more. That’s why Id like to go alternative fuel for a day, and never worry about a sniffer test again. I do plan on moving back to California some day.
Oh by the way I took that entire post from the C.A.R.B website. :smash:
Racer
Joined: May 2001
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From: Bakersfield, California
Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (IBEAM700)
That whole thing didnt tell me much, damn technical stuff. Does that mean i can convert my 85 to ethanol and make it exempt or no?
[Modified by CarbedC4, 3:21 PM 10/25/2001]
[Modified by CarbedC4, 3:21 PM 10/25/2001]
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From: Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffin glue Orlando
Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (CarbedC4)
Well, from what I can tell you have to install an alternative fuel retrofit kit approved by C.A.R.B. in order to become smog exempt, and most of what I saw on the net was propane or natural gas, so I think we’re out of luck. :chevy
Drifting
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Re: Why not 150 octane Alcohol??? (IBEAM700)
I like the idea of running alcohol, however I had a dragbike that ran on it. If you have never been close to a vehicle that runs on alcohol, they will give you a serious headache. Can you imagine sitting in traffic on a hot day and having alcohol fumes rolling in through your window. Sorry I loved it for what it did to my dragbike, but I only rode that a 1/4 mile at a time.
