Accel DFI ECU Costs?
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Accel DFI ECU Costs?
How much did you guys pay? I was quoted today 1,400 for the complete ECU, another 900 for the wideband O2, another 789 for the 72lb injectors, dual sync distributer 300, 200 for an adapter for tuning purposes now. Apparently they have a keyed system so you cannot create your own adapter anymore. there was some other crap. total cost came to 4k. Thats not including the throtle body, maifold, rails, fittings, lines, fuelpump.
I swear I have seen the gen 7 for 700 or so in the past, and I know I can find the injectors for 400. But does anyone know of a good place that has better prices?
I swear I have seen the gen 7 for 700 or so in the past, and I know I can find the injectors for 400. But does anyone know of a good place that has better prices?
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (WashingtonRacer)
The only Gen VII I've seen for around 700-800 is the ECU only - no
wire harness, etc. I paid $1500 for my kit (ECU, wire harness, sensors
(heated O2, MAT, coolant temp and airtemp), Calmap software and
PC adaptor. That was from Scoggin Dickey, and I think they've
gone up since then. Still had to buy a distributor and all that other stuff.
One think to know about the Gen VII is that there is a 5 wire "accessory"
connector in the wire harness that can be used for only "one" of two options.
One option is a wide-band O2 sensor. The second option is, one wire can be
used for fan control, another for knock sensor, etc. (I don't remember
the others). If you run a wide-band O2 you can't have fan control and
a knock sensor...
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (danno85)
One think to know about the Gen VII is that there is a 5 wire "accessory"
connector in the wire harness that can be used for only "one" of two options.
One option is a wide-band O2 sensor. The second option is, one wire can be
used for fan control, another for knock sensor, etc. (I don't remember
the others). If you run a wide-band O2 you can't have fan control and
a knock sensor...
connector in the wire harness that can be used for only "one" of two options.
One option is a wide-band O2 sensor. The second option is, one wire can be
used for fan control, another for knock sensor, etc. (I don't remember
the others). If you run a wide-band O2 you can't have fan control and
a knock sensor...
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (75 BBC Stingray)
1,500 seems like all I wanted to pay. I could use the Hei for the mean time correct? on top of that can someone explain to me what exactly the wideband 02 helps with? I can get great tuning with out the use of it for the mean time correct? I can upgrade to one later if I wanted right?
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (WashingtonRacer)
The one I bought was for a universal IPU (inductive pickup), which won't
work with HEI. You can get one that is specifically for an HEI. The main
difference is the wiring harness, but depending on what ignition option you
require, it seems the ECM might be different too. You can get one for an
HEI input though and ignition control though.
All the wideband O2 option does is let you specify to what a/f ratio you want
the ECM to correct to. The regular O2 is "fixed" at whatever the optimal
is, 14.7:1 I think, and yes you can tune to run really well with that. The
wideband is what you would want for a race application. And if you don't
want fan control, knock sensor etc., yes, you can upgrade to the wideband
later.
Hope that helps,
Dan
work with HEI. You can get one that is specifically for an HEI. The main
difference is the wiring harness, but depending on what ignition option you
require, it seems the ECM might be different too. You can get one for an
HEI input though and ignition control though.
All the wideband O2 option does is let you specify to what a/f ratio you want
the ECM to correct to. The regular O2 is "fixed" at whatever the optimal
is, 14.7:1 I think, and yes you can tune to run really well with that. The
wideband is what you would want for a race application. And if you don't
want fan control, knock sensor etc., yes, you can upgrade to the wideband
later.
Hope that helps,
Dan
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (danno85)
I do want wide band 02 then, I would much rather run on the rich side of the setting."for safety sake under boost" however for those who know or have a forced inducted engine. the gen 7 has the boost "switch" that apparently allows you to compensate for more boost by it throwing more fuel under boost to richen it. Is this option available without the wideband in this case? I would like to get my project up and going and invest in a wide band at a later date.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (WashingtonRacer)
I will have a Gen.6 dfi for sale soon. I have a Gen.7 on order.
The prices you quote are about the same everywhere.
The 6 can be tuned to run as good as a 7 wideband but it takes time the wide band makes it easier.
Reason that I'm changing is I installed bigger blower and intercooler and now I need low impedance injectors. The 6 will only support high impedance so you are limited to about 800hp unless you do like I do and add nitrous.
Like you I'm tired of being ripped off with these high prices but you either pay it or do without. The fast may be a little cheaper but not sure because you have to buy options that is software selectable on the accel. before the Gen.7 the fast was the best but I look for them to come out with a new one because fast has been sucking hind tit since the new Gen.7 hit the market.
Also a point of interest the Gen.7 is going up in price this month
Since I have learned how to tune my 6 I would not have got the 7 but I have to have the low impedance injecters.
[Modified by black bart, 5:02 PM 2/7/2003]
The prices you quote are about the same everywhere.
The 6 can be tuned to run as good as a 7 wideband but it takes time the wide band makes it easier.
Reason that I'm changing is I installed bigger blower and intercooler and now I need low impedance injectors. The 6 will only support high impedance so you are limited to about 800hp unless you do like I do and add nitrous.
Like you I'm tired of being ripped off with these high prices but you either pay it or do without. The fast may be a little cheaper but not sure because you have to buy options that is software selectable on the accel. before the Gen.7 the fast was the best but I look for them to come out with a new one because fast has been sucking hind tit since the new Gen.7 hit the market.
Also a point of interest the Gen.7 is going up in price this month
Since I have learned how to tune my 6 I would not have got the 7 but I have to have the low impedance injecters.
[Modified by black bart, 5:02 PM 2/7/2003]
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (black bart)
what LB# injectors are you using? I am on the lookout for some 72lb injectors, I didn't look into what the gen 6 took so thanks for informing me of that. At what point does a injector have to go from high imped to low? is it a certain flow rate? I am gonna have to sit down here and really dig around to find the differences between all the controllers. Now this may be totally funny, but has anyone looked into the Holley 950 computer? they say unlimited adjustability of the ignition and fuel map via lap top thats all I know.
My only problem is I learn as I go. Too bad I am trying to shuffle 5 different tasks at the same time. A: finish exterior body b: redo wiring and frame cleanup, c: build new engine d: the fuel injection, E: EVERYTHING ELSE REQUIRED TO GET HER BACK ON THE ROAD!
If someone were to upgrade from a gen 6 to a gen 7, do you need to replace the harness and all, or can you just buy the computer alone?
My only problem is I learn as I go. Too bad I am trying to shuffle 5 different tasks at the same time. A: finish exterior body b: redo wiring and frame cleanup, c: build new engine d: the fuel injection, E: EVERYTHING ELSE REQUIRED TO GET HER BACK ON THE ROAD!
If someone were to upgrade from a gen 6 to a gen 7, do you need to replace the harness and all, or can you just buy the computer alone?
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (WashingtonRacer)
Any Injecter more than 50lb. is low impedance.
50lb. injecter will support about 800 hp.
Unless you are going to be supercharged you won't need more than 50 lb. injecter.
The gen6 can use low impedance if you put a VIC box on it they sell for $429 retail.
Also some imfo in this thread is unfactual the gen7 with wide band will support knock control and fan.
If you change from gen.6 to gen 7 you need to change the wiring harness if you want to run wide band
You will get different advice from people about what kind is best but most will base there opinion on somethig that they have read rather than first hand expierence.
50lb. injecter will support about 800 hp.
Unless you are going to be supercharged you won't need more than 50 lb. injecter.
The gen6 can use low impedance if you put a VIC box on it they sell for $429 retail.
Also some imfo in this thread is unfactual the gen7 with wide band will support knock control and fan.
If you change from gen.6 to gen 7 you need to change the wiring harness if you want to run wide band
You will get different advice from people about what kind is best but most will base there opinion on somethig that they have read rather than first hand expierence.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (Blown Vette)
I don't thing you used a heat sink. If you ask whoever put that on for you they will tell you it was a resistor.
Since the Gen. 6 is a batch fire if you where to put a resistor on each wire and the resistance of the resistor and the value of the injector total between 14 to 17 OHMS it should work. When you lower the resistance the drivers will flow more current and burn them out but they don't know if the resistance is in the injecters or a combination of the injector and a resister. That is why accel dfi tech will tell you that you can run two injecters per cylinder with the gen.6 if you where to install dual injectoers and they where low impedance and the two totaled about the same as the 17 ohm. injector that they replaced the ecm won't know the difference.
Since the Gen. 6 is a batch fire if you where to put a resistor on each wire and the resistance of the resistor and the value of the injector total between 14 to 17 OHMS it should work. When you lower the resistance the drivers will flow more current and burn them out but they don't know if the resistance is in the injecters or a combination of the injector and a resister. That is why accel dfi tech will tell you that you can run two injecters per cylinder with the gen.6 if you where to install dual injectoers and they where low impedance and the two totaled about the same as the 17 ohm. injector that they replaced the ecm won't know the difference.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (Blown Vette)
HMMMM.. I would really like to go directly to the gen 7, but I have spent every penny I own and every penny I don't own on my engine already, I just don't think I can afford such a huge chunk of change at this time. are the maps interchangable between the 6 and 7? would it be possible to tun on a 7 and then load it into a 6 minus using the wideband? I looked into the Holley setup last night, they state their computer will control up to 1,700HP and already is able to work with low impedance injectors. I need to learn more, but if there is any success storys with this unit I would love to hear about it. After all the 580 bucks for it new is a steal of a deal.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (WashingtonRacer)
HMMMM.. are the maps interchangable between the 6 and 7? would it be possible to tun on a 7 and then load it into a 6 minus using the wideband?
No they are totaly different
I need to learn more, but if there is any success storys with this unit I would love to hear about it. After all the 580 bucks for it new is a steal of a deal.
No they are totaly different
I need to learn more, but if there is any success storys with this unit I would love to hear about it. After all the 580 bucks for it new is a steal of a deal.
If you are interested in a Gen.6 I will sell you mine. When by these keep in mind that you need a serial cable that allows your laptop to communicate with the ecm that cost $ 125.00 so when buying a system be sure that everything is their. The software cost extra don't remember exact price but it was over $200.00. If you decide that you would want mine you could use it for a year or two and sell it for about same price and get a newer one mine has the ecm serial cable software manuals and wiring harness.
Hell I can even sell you a laptop real cheap to tune with if you need one.
You also can buy a wideband system that has the sensor and a meter for $499.00 this would allow you to tune with wide band option and you would have less than half the money invested plus you could buy the wide band at a later date not have to buy all at once. Good Luck with whatever you decide.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (black bart)
I will have to dig deeper into Mr. Gaskets site. I admit I didn't look very hard but what I did find seemed too general.
How much would you be looking for the ecu and what not? With the wideband option, that is incorperated into the gen 6 system right?
Did the system work well for you in regards to working under boost? The shop I got my 4k quote from said the Gen 6 does not work well at all with forced induction, seemed a little odd to me though, perhaps they wanted to just sell me on the 7.
At the current point I am at I would totally love to go for the 7 but money is really keeping me from that. And the 6 has an attachment system to operate in low impedance correct? and with that wideband option....wait with those addons just to make it be able to control 1k hp it would be about the same as a gen7 wouldn't it.
Okay let me rephrase it. If the gen 6 can control 1k hp and still remain much cheaper than the current gen 7, I would totally be up for it. Besides I like Dos based programs more :)
By the way Thanks for all your responses, I have found the forum to be the greatest place to go for questions and answers, and just to relate with people with similar intrests, "thats why we are all here right" . Theres a wealth of knowlege to share between all of us. Thank you.
How much would you be looking for the ecu and what not? With the wideband option, that is incorperated into the gen 6 system right?
Did the system work well for you in regards to working under boost? The shop I got my 4k quote from said the Gen 6 does not work well at all with forced induction, seemed a little odd to me though, perhaps they wanted to just sell me on the 7.
At the current point I am at I would totally love to go for the 7 but money is really keeping me from that. And the 6 has an attachment system to operate in low impedance correct? and with that wideband option....wait with those addons just to make it be able to control 1k hp it would be about the same as a gen7 wouldn't it.
Okay let me rephrase it. If the gen 6 can control 1k hp and still remain much cheaper than the current gen 7, I would totally be up for it. Besides I like Dos based programs more :)
By the way Thanks for all your responses, I have found the forum to be the greatest place to go for questions and answers, and just to relate with people with similar intrests, "thats why we are all here right" . Theres a wealth of knowlege to share between all of us. Thank you.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (WashingtonRacer)
I will have to dig deeper into Mr. Gaskets site. I admit I didn't look very hard but what I did find seemed too general.
How much would you be looking for the ecu and what not? With the wideband option, that is incorperated into the gen 6 system right?
Wrong the wide band you would buy from a fellow that makes them
Did the system work well for you in regards to working under boost? YES
The shop I got my 4k quote from said the Gen 6 does not work well at all with forced induction, seemed a little odd to me though, perhaps they wanted to just sell me on the 7. They make more if you but the new one.
...wait with those addons just to make it be able to control 1k hp it would be about the same as a gen7 wouldn't it.
It would be cheaper but if you are going to need low impedance injecters I would suggest you get the gen.7
Okay let me rephrase it. If the gen 6 can control 1k hp and still remain much cheaper than the current gen 7, I would totally be up for it. Besides I like Dos based programs more :)
By the way Thanks for all your responses, I have found the forum to be the greatest place to go for questions and answers, and just to relate with people with similar intrests, "thats why we are all here right" . Theres a wealth of knowlege to share between all of us. Thank you.
How much would you be looking for the ecu and what not? With the wideband option, that is incorperated into the gen 6 system right?
Wrong the wide band you would buy from a fellow that makes them
Did the system work well for you in regards to working under boost? YES
The shop I got my 4k quote from said the Gen 6 does not work well at all with forced induction, seemed a little odd to me though, perhaps they wanted to just sell me on the 7. They make more if you but the new one.
...wait with those addons just to make it be able to control 1k hp it would be about the same as a gen7 wouldn't it.
It would be cheaper but if you are going to need low impedance injecters I would suggest you get the gen.7
Okay let me rephrase it. If the gen 6 can control 1k hp and still remain much cheaper than the current gen 7, I would totally be up for it. Besides I like Dos based programs more :)
By the way Thanks for all your responses, I have found the forum to be the greatest place to go for questions and answers, and just to relate with people with similar intrests, "thats why we are all here right" . Theres a wealth of knowlege to share between all of us. Thank you.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (WashingtonRacer)
Wait. I thought the gen 6 could actually go to low impedance if you installed a "Vic box"
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I 'm looking for $ 650 for ecm/wiring harness/serial cable /manuals / software to tune it. For the power level you are talking about it is either that .or $ 2595.00 for a new one. If I was you I would be carefull about some brand X ecm you could ruin a high priced engine real quick.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (Blown Vette)
The Holley system is capable of controlling a very wide range of engines. I've tuned street renegade to IHRA Top Sportsman cars with it.
Like the Gen VI accel box, it only has 4 peak and hold drivers, so to correctly run 8 low impedence injectors you'd need their add-on 8 driver box.
It can support an aftermarket wbO2 sensor with their race upgrade software. I use FJO units.
I can give you any correct information you want about it.
An ECU, Harness, and software and some sensors is about $840 from Summit.
Like the Gen VI accel box, it only has 4 peak and hold drivers, so to correctly run 8 low impedence injectors you'd need their add-on 8 driver box.
It can support an aftermarket wbO2 sensor with their race upgrade software. I use FJO units.
I can give you any correct information you want about it.
An ECU, Harness, and software and some sensors is about $840 from Summit.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (Doug Flynn)
The Holley system is capable of controlling a very wide range of engines. I've tuned street renegade to IHRA Top Sportsman cars with it.
Like the Gen VI accel box, it only has 4 peak and hold drivers, so to correctly run 8 low impedence injectors you'd need their add-on 8 driver box.
It can support an aftermarket wbO2 sensor with their race upgrade software. I use FJO units.
I can give you any correct information you want about it.
An ECU, Harness, and software and some sensors is about $840 from Summit.
Like the Gen VI accel box, it only has 4 peak and hold drivers, so to correctly run 8 low impedence injectors you'd need their add-on 8 driver box.
It can support an aftermarket wbO2 sensor with their race upgrade software. I use FJO units.
I can give you any correct information you want about it.
An ECU, Harness, and software and some sensors is about $840 from Summit.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (Doug Flynn)
Yeah I like to hear more about their unit. Whats the tuning program platform used on? is it a windows enviroment or dos? Have you used the driver box with it? It's about another 450 bucks if I rememeber right. I will need to look into the wide band as well. The Holley might be a good option. I just want to hear sucess stories.
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Re: Accel DFI ECU Costs? (WashingtonRacer)
Since I work for Holley you might consider me biased, but I'm just a racer like everyone else. I have it on my 383 Nova which is a street car and runs 11.90's, nothing special. I've tuned dozens of cars from stock V6's to moderate supercharged street cars, street renegade 25 PSI engines, to several IHRA super and quick rod engines, some that have won divisional championships. Many NHRA stockers run it including Al Corda who was the first NHRA stocker in the 9's with his LS1 this weekend. Others include Bernie Cunningham and Woodro Josey if you follow stock among many others.
I've run the driver box, it works fine. The wideband works well also.
It runs on any Windows platform from 3.1 to XP.
If you want more info go check out the EFI forum on http://www.chevytalk.com which I moderate.
If you are truly interested in that system go to Holley.com and download the Commander 950 tuning manual. That manual is also very helpful with any aftermarket EFI system.
If you have an application that requires the driver box and wideband, you get into FAST cost territory and I would consider that system also.
The key to ANY aftermarket EFI system is the tuning.
I've run the driver box, it works fine. The wideband works well also.
It runs on any Windows platform from 3.1 to XP.
If you want more info go check out the EFI forum on http://www.chevytalk.com which I moderate.
If you are truly interested in that system go to Holley.com and download the Commander 950 tuning manual. That manual is also very helpful with any aftermarket EFI system.
If you have an application that requires the driver box and wideband, you get into FAST cost territory and I would consider that system also.
The key to ANY aftermarket EFI system is the tuning.