electrocharger. power adder.
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (KyRP2NITe Corvette)
as i said earlier all testing will be done shortly ( 0 to 60, 1/4 mile and fuel economy)
and its not about a 40 HP motor its about the torque and when the torque is applied. That same torque is also available throughout the entire rpm range.
If you read the description on the website, its says 'up to" and "depending on vehicle". The higher the power the vehicle has, the less impact the Electrocharger has, but it will always improve the torque curve of the engine by raising that initial curve and thereby improving throttle response. If you add a supercharger or turbo, all you do is raise the torque curve, not change the profile. You can install different cams to change the profile, but you will never eliminate that low torque of the engine from idle!
The ideal engine would have a constant FLAT torque curve, presently they do not and can't. The Electrocharger is THE ONLY product that can flatten out the torque curve, because of the characteristics that an electric motor can provide.
and its not about a 40 HP motor its about the torque and when the torque is applied. That same torque is also available throughout the entire rpm range.
If you read the description on the website, its says 'up to" and "depending on vehicle". The higher the power the vehicle has, the less impact the Electrocharger has, but it will always improve the torque curve of the engine by raising that initial curve and thereby improving throttle response. If you add a supercharger or turbo, all you do is raise the torque curve, not change the profile. You can install different cams to change the profile, but you will never eliminate that low torque of the engine from idle!
The ideal engine would have a constant FLAT torque curve, presently they do not and can't. The Electrocharger is THE ONLY product that can flatten out the torque curve, because of the characteristics that an electric motor can provide.
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (ajc)
i have a few questions, but let me see if i have the concept of the product right-- it's basically a strong electric motor that tranfers torque to the crank through the belt during acceleration, but powers off and charges the battery during deceleration right?
how much torque is generated by the average unit?
have you mounted a unit to a SBC yet?
how long before the price comes down to a reasonable level?
how much torque is generated by the average unit?
have you mounted a unit to a SBC yet?
how long before the price comes down to a reasonable level?
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (tx_stingray)
Electric motors aren't rated the say way gasoline engines are.
It's not the peak rating, it's a continuous rating.
The big thing with electic motors is the torque they put out, and the max torque is when it's not turning, right when you need it.
I could see shaving off 3 seconds... on a 17second Honda.
I'd need to look at the overall package for a SBC, including the weight of the storage device. For racing your better off with some sort of capacitor, you'd need the greater discharge rate.
BTW Here's some racing electric cars, most go for economy, these don't!
http://www.smokinbuckeye.com/index.html
http://ecar.pr.erau.edu/driver.html
It's not the peak rating, it's a continuous rating.
The big thing with electic motors is the torque they put out, and the max torque is when it's not turning, right when you need it.
I could see shaving off 3 seconds... on a 17second Honda.
I'd need to look at the overall package for a SBC, including the weight of the storage device. For racing your better off with some sort of capacitor, you'd need the greater discharge rate.
BTW Here's some racing electric cars, most go for economy, these don't!
http://www.smokinbuckeye.com/index.html
http://ecar.pr.erau.edu/driver.html
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (tx_stingray)
stingray you got the basic idea, i hear alot of people say i drag race and i dont need torque at 0 RPM i dont launch my car until i hit say 3500 RPM, well the thing is why are you launching your car at 3500, well the answer is because thats where your cars maximum torque starts to kick in. imagine being able to launch from idle and doing the same thing because with the electrocharger we flatten your torque curve out.
sting ray if you check out our site it lists all the info about batteries and caps. and how long before the the price comes down well if you purchase one this year, current prices are $ 2500.00 you get a $1500.00 TAX CREDIT when you file next year.
and for the torque number its hard to convert electric motor numbers into a HP number or torque thats why we are going to have all chassis dyno numbers soon, on various cars to show performance
sting ray if you check out our site it lists all the info about batteries and caps. and how long before the the price comes down well if you purchase one this year, current prices are $ 2500.00 you get a $1500.00 TAX CREDIT when you file next year.
and for the torque number its hard to convert electric motor numbers into a HP number or torque thats why we are going to have all chassis dyno numbers soon, on various cars to show performance
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (ajc)
and for the torque number its hard to convert electric motor numbers into a HP number or torque thats why we are going to have all chassis dyno numbers soon, on various cars to show performance
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (ajc)
heh... like I said before and will say it again, the price is NOT RIGHT. at 2500$ you can get a roots blower that will give you WAY more torque at LOW RPM than your thing for less. Add a bit more money and you can get a turbo setup that will make even more torque/hp.... and saying a turbo doesn't give you torque at low rpm is stupid... just ask the twin turbo guys around here. Some of them get as much as 600lbs at 1000rpm. And btw, torque/hp under 1000rpm is a moot point.....I hope you know why. If you'd ask me what would be a nice price for your thing, I'd say around 600-800$. If you can't do it for that price, I'd suggest to give up already cause I can get the same ammount of power (40hp) elsewhere for that price.
On another note, ricers would love your stuff cause once they have their engine tricked out with all the goodies, they get like 200-300hp and practically no torque at low rpm and they're used to pay a lot per hp. :lol:
On another note, ricers would love your stuff cause once they have their engine tricked out with all the goodies, they get like 200-300hp and practically no torque at low rpm and they're used to pay a lot per hp. :lol:
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (Lohkay)
yes its moot but its there and its also a fact that a turbo and a supercharger wont flatten a torque curve out this will and yes its a 40 HP motor but its not about HP its torque and with a 3 to 1 gearing its possible to get around 200 pound feet of torque. and when your not sticking the pedal to the floor will a turbo or a supercharger increase your miles per gallon. if you save money on gas is that worth the price in the long run. and if this so far fetched why are G M and ford engineers looking into this and wanting to test it. but i understand being skeptical thats why all data will be available soon not to mention cars will be tested by major auto magazines and a few shows.
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (ajc)
If you want to be taken seriously as an engineer:
Learn to write. Capitalization and punctuation are helpful for readers.
Get a real website name. "alphamale" sounds like one of those spam messages that promises to enlarge those to feel inadequate.
Learn to write. Capitalization and punctuation are helpful for readers.
Get a real website name. "alphamale" sounds like one of those spam messages that promises to enlarge those to feel inadequate.
Drifting
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (ajc)
I've decided that this is a load of B.S. Too much time has gone by since the electrocharger's development with no results whatsoever. It is SO simple to strap a car onto a chassis dyno, basic stuff that has YET to be done. There are no engineers looking into the electrocharger - that is why there are no test results.
Thomas
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (68427)
You can easily measure torque performance without going the extra mile of bolting the thing to an engine. I am surprised that you make claims, yet appear not have any test data to back up them up.
For the ricers, make sure you include a sticker. That alone is worth 3 seconds.
Wish you success.
[Modified by Carl90, 7:41 AM 5/14/2004]
For the ricers, make sure you include a sticker. That alone is worth 3 seconds.
Wish you success.
[Modified by Carl90, 7:41 AM 5/14/2004]
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (Carl90)
Well first of all i will make this my last post. Second i never said i was an engineer you did. and the reason we have nt posted any numbers yet is because of the recent switch to SR motors. which we are still testing, and if you think its such BS get a phone book and call us. third party testing will be done at south west research institute, are you also going to call there results BS when there published. not to mention the fact that the product is coming out until november, and i said from the beginning testing is ongoing. how about reading the hole website before you say anything. And as for going the extra mile by bolting one on if we did nt what other BS would say to us. did you test it the winter, the desert. i was only here to gather opinions and now that you said all your BS. thanks for your input and hope you like the gas prices this summer. later
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (ajc)
Not much "Alpha Male" there apparently, runs away when confronted :p:
* What follows is pure speculation *
Maybe what AM forgot to tell us was how the 3 second reduction was obtained:
1) First, one of these generating units is bolted on to a car.
2) While in the generating mode, the extra drag of such a powerful generating unit actually SLOWS the car down.
3) Then when switched to power transfer mode it is 3 seconds quicker than when in power generating mode.
4) Note that #3 allows for the car not to be any quicker than stock, yet still claim a 3 second reduction in acceleration time.
All I can say is that I still want to find my Turbonetics "Drag Axle" from 1965. Anybody remember those gas turbine power assists that fed power directly into the axle?
Thomas
* What follows is pure speculation *
Maybe what AM forgot to tell us was how the 3 second reduction was obtained:
1) First, one of these generating units is bolted on to a car.
2) While in the generating mode, the extra drag of such a powerful generating unit actually SLOWS the car down.
3) Then when switched to power transfer mode it is 3 seconds quicker than when in power generating mode.
4) Note that #3 allows for the car not to be any quicker than stock, yet still claim a 3 second reduction in acceleration time.
All I can say is that I still want to find my Turbonetics "Drag Axle" from 1965. Anybody remember those gas turbine power assists that fed power directly into the axle?
Thomas
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Re: electrocharger. power adder. (The Green Rocket)
ajc
The web site highlights the bolt on system that uses a drive belt similar to my Harley, which handles the torque just fine, thank you.
In the GM article a unit that replaces the alternator and the starter motor is mentioned. Will that unit be available as an after market item?
Finally, is the $1500.00 a tax credit or tax deduction?
The web site highlights the bolt on system that uses a drive belt similar to my Harley, which handles the torque just fine, thank you.
In the GM article a unit that replaces the alternator and the starter motor is mentioned. Will that unit be available as an after market item?
Finally, is the $1500.00 a tax credit or tax deduction?
