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Old 07-24-2018, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mardyn View Post
Nice find... I've been looking at a few WS6s when the pop up around here (DFW) and haven't found the right one yet.
Most I've seen have been used and abused.

Looks like you've found a nice one... love the aftermarket stuff on the rear suspension.

Will the Ten bolt be sufficient with all that rear tire?

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haha! It's funny you should ask. I'm not entirely sure how long it will last with all that's done to it and the tires that are mounted. If you asked anyone on LS1tech they'd say it's on borrowed time. I should mention that I've been EXTREMELY nice to it so far. I don't want to break stuff.

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I'm curious about the wheels you've got on that WS6, specifically the size of the back ones. Fronts look like the standard 17" X 9" with 275/40/17, but the backs appear larger. I put a set of AR Torque Thrust M's on my Firehawk, but all of them are 9" width. I really like the deeper lip on the back ones you have. What brand are your wheels, and what size rears are you running?
The rears are larger by quite a margin. I'll have to measure them and get back to you here!! What I can tell you off the top of my head though, is that the rear tire size is 315.

In other news:

I took delivery of some parts after a bit of the lapse in the action here haha. UMI came through big time with some very nice additions to the suspension/chassis with their Subframe Connectors, Strut Tower Brace and Lower Control Arm Relocation Brackets. The finish/manufacturing is a 10/10. I can't recommend them enough at this point!!!



the last week or two I've put quite a few miles on the WS6 after work and am starting to love it more and more! Even to the point of contemplating selling the C6 haha! Here's a quick shot I took on an MN backroad a few days ago that turned out ok. Stay tuned for the next video/parts installation post. It'll be this weekend once I have some personal time away from work.


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Old 07-29-2018, 11:18 AM
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This Saturday I got all of the UMI pieces installed. Everything went really well, and the fit/finish was excellent on all of the parts. Couldn't be happier!


Before really diving in to anything I put together some "free" wheel chalks out of some old wood I had laying around. They aren't much to look at, but they are going to keep the car level and not kill me haha. I'm sure I'll have them for many years now.



The first piece I installed was the Strut Tower brace. This went on in about 10 minutes total. I did this first because the car was flat on the ground with the suspension loaded.



Here's the car up and juuust a hair out of perfectly level the way things landed front and back height-wise. the suspension was fully loaded front and back, so the car itself was just pitched the slightest bit forward. Might have been 100% perfect if I made two more wheel chalks for the back.



Here's a shot of the passengers side after installing the SFC, and the LCARB.... You'll notice a little fresh undercoating. I saw a couple spots that were flaking and was in a full panic thinking there was rust behind it (we all know these cars rust out in the lower front wheel wells first.....) Turns out it was just the undercoating flaking off of the perfect paint underneath. I about died haha! I got all the loose product off and sprayed some fresh undercoating on.



Moving onto the drivers side.... Everything was just as easy as the passengers side with the exception of fighting to get the Lower Control Arm bolt lined up with the holes. It was clear in the instructions having a friend is the best way to do this and they weren't kidding. Luckily I had an old screw jack on the shelf that came in clutch here. I refuse to throw it away because it's saved me on stuff like this many times!! It's not that things didn't fit well, it's that the rear end moved about 1/8 to 1/4" and I couldn't fight it back into alignment with what I had otherwise.



Last shot is jsut showing everything installed and how nice and parallel the Lower Control Arms now with the LCARB's. The rear end side of them must have dropped 4-5" getting them just about perfectly straight with the frame in front of them.



If you're interested in checking out any of the products I installed, look at UMI's Website *click me* or reach out to their customer service. Everyone I talked to via email or on the phone there was great.
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4th Gen WS6. Oh the horror! All it needs is a rear end. I am a horrible critic of a 7.5. My Formula WS6 was the only F of any kind of any generation year before last at Wannagofast in 16 at Sulphur Springs. I thought that was strange
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Old 08-08-2018, 01:54 AM
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I should clarify...there were lots of 5th and even a couple of 6th gens there but not considered f bodies technically
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 007FJ View Post
4th Gen WS6. Oh the horror! All it needs is a rear end. I am a horrible critic of a 7.5. My Formula WS6 was the only F of any kind of any generation year before last at Wannagofast in 16 at Sulphur Springs. I thought that was strangeI should clarify...there were lots of 5th and even a couple of 6th gens there but not considered f bodies technically
I agree with you 100% on the rear end. The engine/trans/driveshaft are all pretty good from the factory lol. Add a sticky tire and goodbye rear! I'm going to try and make this one last, but what's the fun in that??? Next step is going to be adding Midwest Chassis front/rear bumper supports to offset the added weight of the SFC/LCARB's, and maybe even come in lighter than it was without them. We will have to see!! I'll be doing that and seeing what it makes on an chassis dyno. Stay tuned!!!!! It's coming sooner than later.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:30 AM
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YouTube channel giveaway below! Information in the video below. I'll be having the Trans Am dynoed this Monday afternoon to see what it makes!

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Old 08-15-2018, 08:07 PM
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Everything went well getting the car chassis dynoed monday night other than the low number... It really needs a dyno tune.

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You will love the subframe connectors and strut tower brace. My 1998 LS1 took turns like it was on rails and it had the stock suspension.
The difference in handling was immediate.

I bought yellow powdercoated BMR tubular SFCs that were welded to the frame. Have fun!


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haha! It's funny you should ask. I'm not entirely sure how long it will last with all that's done to it and the tires that are mounted. If you asked anyone on LS1tech they'd say it's on borrowed time. I should mention that I've been EXTREMELY nice to it so far. I don't want to break stuff.



The rears are larger by quite a margin. I'll have to measure them and get back to you here!! What I can tell you off the top of my head though, is that the rear tire size is 315.

In other news:

I took delivery of some parts after a bit of the lapse in the action here haha. UMI came through big time with some very nice additions to the suspension/chassis with their Subframe Connectors, Strut Tower Brace and Lower Control Arm Relocation Brackets. The finish/manufacturing is a 10/10. I can't recommend them enough at this point!!!



the last week or two I've put quite a few miles on the WS6 after work and am starting to love it more and more! Even to the point of contemplating selling the C6 haha! Here's a quick shot I took on an MN backroad a few days ago that turned out ok. Stay tuned for the next video/parts installation post. It'll be this weekend once I have some personal time away from work.


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Old 09-03-2018, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Patriot10 View Post

You will love the subframe connectors and strut tower brace. My 1998 LS1 took turns like it was on rails and it had the stock suspension.
The difference in handling was immediate.

I bought yellow powdercoated BMR tubular SFCs that were welded to the frame. Have fun!
So far so good with them! It handles 10x better than a factory car with all of the parts installed that are on it. I couldn't be happier with the results.
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Old 09-05-2018, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bjohn View Post
So far so good with them! It handles 10x better than a factory car with all of the parts installed that are on it. I couldn't be happier with the results.
Nice. It was such a pleasant surprise when the SFCs were installed. I remember kicking the tail out when making a very abrupt turn (on purpose)....and an unopened can of Pepsi in the backseat actually burst.
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Originally Posted by Patriot10 View Post

Nice. It was such a pleasant surprise when the SFCs were installed. I remember kicking the tail out when making a very abrupt turn (on purpose)....and an unopened can of Pepsi in the backseat actually burst.
Haha, funny you mention the can bursting. I did that in the vette this weekend with a friend. We did a high speed run, then threw the anchor out hard (he hadn't been in the car when it was driven hard yet), and some bottles in the back (unopened, we were sober for the record.... heading to the garage) got knocked around and a couple opened up. Stunk bad lol.
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Originally Posted by 0H8Z06 View Post
Recently picked up a 96 Formula WS6 M6... Its a pretty rare car w 34K miles... Its bone stock ( for now)

Can't see your pics!!
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Everybody does this modification citing it cooling IATs which I agreed with 100%. However, I had never seen how effective the modification really is so I set out to measure it's success myself in the best "bro science" way I possibly could.

Here's what I found when I did the throttle body coolant bypass on my 2000 WS6... I took multiple measurements with an infrared thermometer before and after installing a TB bypass kit. I drove the same route on the same day, the same way to measure the changes. A video outlining this is below.


Here is a spreadsheet I put together of the effectiveness of the bypass kits. They all work the same (I'm sure), and in principal should yield similar results. This was done on a 40ish degree day in Minnesota. The "IR TB Temps" were taken with an IR thermometer by averaging two readings. One on the drivers side of the TB, and one on the passengers side.




There was quite a difference considering the throttle body in theory should have continued to get warmer if thermal heat soak was going to make a large impact. I suspect the coolant was largely responsible for the initial temperature climb, and subsequent temperature decline. You be the judge!!!!

We all knew this was a good mod to do, but here is "how good".

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Old 10-06-2018, 08:49 PM
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What's it like working on these cars? I've always wanted one but half the engine being buried under the cowl was always a turnoff for me.
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What's it like working on these cars? I've always wanted one but half the engine being buried under the cowl was always a turnoff for me.
I would change the oil, oil filter and air filter. I just had to jack up the car to reach the oil filter and oil drain bolt.

But I stayed away from the sparkplugs. The last sparkplug, I think it is plug #8....was the hard one. I had to pay a guy $50 to change the plugs. He was a certified mechanic and owned the red special edition 2002 25th anniversary fbody.

He literally could not even see what he was doing...as he had to wedge his arm under the dash and remove plug #8. There was barely enough space to even move the socket. But he did it!

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Haha, funny you mention the can bursting. I did that in the vette this weekend with a friend. We did a high speed run, then threw the anchor out hard (he hadn't been in the car when it was driven hard yet), and some bottles in the back (unopened, we were sober for the record.... heading to the garage) got knocked around and a couple opened up. Stunk bad lol.

Nice! It probably sucked cleaning up, but still a cool experience knowing how awesome these cars are

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Originally Posted by TGO View Post
What's it like working on these cars? I've always wanted one but half the engine being buried under the cowl was always a turnoff for me.
They are relatively easy to work on, but you're right about the cowl being an issue. Depends on what you are doing to it I guess! Most everything is like any other car. Just nuts and bolts.... Don't let it scare you off!!! Buy yourself the toys you deserve.

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I would change the oil, oil filter and air filter. I just had to jack up the car to reach the oil filter and oil drain bolt.

But I stayed away from the sparkplugs. The last sparkplug, I think it is plug #8....was the hard one. I had to pay a guy $50 to change the plugs. He was a certified mechanic and owned the red special edition 2002 25th anniversary fbody.

He literally could not even see what he was doing...as he had to wedge his arm under the dash and remove plug #8. There was barely enough space to even move the socket. But he did it!
I can second that! Done plugs in these cars many times, and all of the talk/memes of changing the spark plugs in a 4th gen are TRUE. Talk about a PITA lol.

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Nice! It probably sucked cleaning up, but still a cool experience knowing how awesome these cars are
It wasn't all bad, we were fairly close to the house so it was easy to clean lol.
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Originally Posted by bjohn View Post
They are relatively easy to work on, but you're right about the cowl being an issue. Depends on what you are doing to it I guess! Most everything is like any other car. Just nuts and bolts.... Don't let it scare you off!!! Buy yourself the toys you deserve.



I can second that! Done plugs in these cars many times, and all of the talk/memes of changing the spark plugs in a 4th gen are TRUE. Talk about a PITA lol.



It wasn't all bad, we were fairly close to the house so it was easy to clean lol.
What about a head/cam swap? Looks like even just getting the intake off it a bitch. I can't imagine yanking the heads. Do you have to drop the engine out of the car?
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What about a head/cam swap? Looks like even just getting the intake off it a bitch. I can't imagine yanking the heads. Do you have to drop the engine out of the car?
Negative ghost rider. You shouldn't have to lower the cradle to do any of that stuff. The only time I did it was to raise a motor up high enough to replace a smashed oil pan (rock in the highway....).

Photos of said episode here lol



Hole in the pan... (Cast Aluminum)



See oil trail behind where I parked the car...



Here's some footage of the WS6 from yesterday, as well as parting words on the C6 Coupe. It'll be replaced with a C6Z or C7 Z51 next spring! The Trans Am isn't going anywhere


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Clean WS6 with tasteful mods and quality parts.

I've owned my 99 SS for over 18 years. Also have UMI suspension, and a H/C SBE LS1 and M6. If you ever decide to change the exhaust setup, the Kooks TD system is the way to go....worth every penny.

Congrats again on a great buy, keep posting those mod pictures and videos!
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