NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (SoCal Rebell)
On the up side I got a Top Flight my first time out.
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (j3studio)
Well I know I'm gonna lose some points for things like the fiberglas spring in back and the welded exhaust system, but my car is clean and I'm trying like all heck to iron out any flaws I can read about and find. Like all of you, I'd like to let the car show herself off and earn a great rating. But then again , who knows. :lol:
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (killain)
Hi
We just had a chapter meet here in Louisiana the first week in April
My brother had his 1966 coupe judged for the first time. I was involved
in judging several cars. It can be very surprising how many points
you can Gain or louse over very small items such as screws that are rusty
that could have been painted or even having the wiper blades from the
correct manufacture. Remember this is only the first time you are judging your car there will be many more opportunity's in the future Most of all
HAVE fun and learn from it GOOD LUCK :cheers: :cheers: :flag :flag :party: :party:
PS My brother 's 1966 TOP Flighted 95% :cheers: :cheers: :party:
[Modified by La Orange, 2:18 AM 4/15/2004]
We just had a chapter meet here in Louisiana the first week in April
My brother had his 1966 coupe judged for the first time. I was involved
in judging several cars. It can be very surprising how many points
you can Gain or louse over very small items such as screws that are rusty
that could have been painted or even having the wiper blades from the
correct manufacture. Remember this is only the first time you are judging your car there will be many more opportunity's in the future Most of all
HAVE fun and learn from it GOOD LUCK :cheers: :cheers: :flag :flag :party: :party:
PS My brother 's 1966 TOP Flighted 95% :cheers: :cheers: :party:
[Modified by La Orange, 2:18 AM 4/15/2004]
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (La Orange)
Get the book and study, it is a tedious process, I did a frame off resto on my '69 L71 readster, took 3 years but I had the "bible" (NCRS book) in my hand the whole time. A large degree of success comes from matching #s, I was lucky almost every # matched excepted the starter, pretty lucky. I found the 1 matching starter in the country and it cost me $500.
Read the book, watch out for the big hit item like the battery, good luck.
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (SoCal Rebell)
The REALLY big hits than can kill your score in a hurry are the Operations items - they're 25 points apiece, and those items are generally judged pass/fail - you either get the 25 points for each item or you get zero. 25 points is an enormous hit - a current replacement battery only costs you 12 points, and a clock reset stem that doesn't work is double that. It's almost impossible to lose 25 points anywhere else in the car unless some major item is just plain missing. Make sure all the Operations items work as designed - all the other stuff is usually onesy-twosies, and you can only lose 270 points and still make Top Flight. :thumbs:
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (JohnZ)
The operations tip is a good one. You can mess with lots of little things, but if your wipers don't squirt, that is a 25 point deduction. Take five minutes and prime them to help them pump. Put any type of Delco battery in the car rather than a Die Hard. You can generate most points with factory replacement battery and shocks or tires that are the same brand as those offered originally. You get a big hit if you arrive with Farm Bureau tires, all of the originality and condition points are lost. With Firestone radial tires, you generate part of the originalty points and all of the condition points.
If you have non-GM shocks, paint them the correct color and they may pass for original type. If they cannot tell they are wrong, they will give you the benefit of doubt. Remember, the judges are human. If you truely feel that something is correct or it came that way, ask for the opinion of the team leader. I had "wrong" wipers on a late '65 Corvette, I knew they were correct because it was a 16,000 mile car and they were perfect. Sure enough, another judge that was not judging my car said that they were correct and the judging manual was being corrected for the unusual brand of wipers. Be sure to get and mount the front and rear license plate frames.
If you have non-GM shocks, paint them the correct color and they may pass for original type. If they cannot tell they are wrong, they will give you the benefit of doubt. Remember, the judges are human. If you truely feel that something is correct or it came that way, ask for the opinion of the team leader. I had "wrong" wipers on a late '65 Corvette, I knew they were correct because it was a 16,000 mile car and they were perfect. Sure enough, another judge that was not judging my car said that they were correct and the judging manual was being corrected for the unusual brand of wipers. Be sure to get and mount the front and rear license plate frames.
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (Tim Gilmore)
See that is one of the things I've always have done, when I replaced the rear spring I installed GM gas shocks, which look a lot likr the originals. I changed the clock over to quartz operation by myself, wasn't really to big a job. I just gotta relaxe and re-read the judging manual.
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (killain)
You'll likely take a hit on the quartz clock. It's an easy detect by watching the sccond hand. Make sure everything works. As John Z said, operations section errors are HUGE hits...25 points per line item.
It's always amazed my that guys will spend hundreds of dollars to get the correct numbered/dated widget, that MIGHT cost them 1 or 2 points IF it were totally incorrect, and then show up at a meet with burned out turn signals, light bulbs, radio's that don't play, etc., and lose 100 points in the operations section.
My wife and I are going to Wildwood. We'll see you there. Don't know what either my wife or I are judging yet.
Regarding your gas shocks, I'd at least paint them the right color. Chuck
It's always amazed my that guys will spend hundreds of dollars to get the correct numbered/dated widget, that MIGHT cost them 1 or 2 points IF it were totally incorrect, and then show up at a meet with burned out turn signals, light bulbs, radio's that don't play, etc., and lose 100 points in the operations section.
My wife and I are going to Wildwood. We'll see you there. Don't know what either my wife or I are judging yet.
Regarding your gas shocks, I'd at least paint them the right color. Chuck
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (Chuck Gongloff)
Chuck,
Regarding your sig pic, that is a lot of mass, even without the m. It does kind of resemble a fellow from MD doesn't it? (See NCRS Discussion Board)
Mark
Regarding your sig pic, that is a lot of mass, even without the m. It does kind of resemble a fellow from MD doesn't it? (See NCRS Discussion Board)
Mark
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Re: NCRS Flight judging, and tips and pointers (BoeingDriver)
Decided to change my sig. pic. Have had it for years. Time for a change. That guy sort of does "resemble" a guy we all know from Maryland. Who could that person be? :)
Chuck
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