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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 11:54 AM
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Just a reminder . Starting September 1 st. if you get a speeding ticket from a N.Y.S. Trooper there will be NO plea-bargaining . The DA will prosecute even if it takes five years to get to you , they expect huge backlogs.
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Just a reminder . Starting September 1 st. if you get a speeding ticket from a N.Y.S. Trooper there will be NO plea-bargaining . The DA will prosecute even if it takes five years to get to you , they expect huge backlogs.

this state or county based? best friend is a trooper hasn't mentioned a thing to me......of course getting nailed for 91 in a 55 and talking my way out of it you'd think this would come up in conversation....
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......of course getting nailed for 91 in a 55 and talking my way out of it you'd think this would come up in conversation....
would you like a cookie?
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Just a reminder . Starting September 1 st. if you get a speeding ticket from a N.Y.S. Trooper there will be NO plea-bargaining . The DA will prosecute even if it takes five years to get to you , they expect huge backlogs.
this thread is worthless without evidence.

Plus your still a jr. member
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this thread is worthless without evidence.

Plus your still a jr. member
leave the OLD GUY alone
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sounds like a french cop!
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sounds like a french cop!
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Might want to check if this is an urban legend. There's been warnings of impending crackdowns in a number of states; each time they prove out false (TX most recently, if I recall). Check www.snopes.com
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Originally Posted by Z28TOZO6
sounds like a french cop!
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Originally Posted by C6 DVL
leave the OLD GUY alone
Yeah!!!!
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The ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS of the State of New York

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G. Jeffrey Haber, Executive Director [518] 465-7933 FAX [518] 465-0724

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July 17 2006



Dear Supervisor:



This letter is to inform you of legislation (S S7354, Introduced by Senator Bonacic / A 10710-A Introduced by M. of A. Lentol) regarding the plea bargain system as it pertains to traffic tickets. This legislation has been approved by both the Assembly and the Senate and is awaiting the Governor’s action.



This legislation was introduced to address local concerns regarding the New York State Troopers pending policy to stop negotiating traffic tickets in town justice courts. The new policy will take effect September 1, 2006. This new policy might impact the manner in which traffic tickets are adjudicated in your town's justice court.



The plea bargain system is essential to keeping the cost of operating our justice courts feasible for the taxpayers. Towns rely upon fine money garnered from traffic tickets to fund all or a substantial portion of the operating expenses associated with town justice courts. Town justices are prohibited from negotiating pleas themselves and must rely upon the district attorney or their designee to negotiate pleas in traffic cases.



The Court of Appeals has recognized the impossibility of requiring a county district attorney to appear and prosecute all misdemeanors and offenses in every court within the county. The district attorney can fulfill his prosecutorial responsibilities by making arrangements whereby he knows of all prosecutions in the county and consents to appearances on his behalf. Two-thirds of county district attorneys currently rely upon the State troopers to negotiate traffic ticket plea bargains in local town and village justice courts. While we cannot predict how each county district attorney will handle the prosecution of traffic tickets after September 1, 2006, all or some may look to the towns to help meet this new obligation.



If the Governor vetoes this legislation it is possible that in some counties a town officer might be called upon to accept a designation from the county district attorney’s office to negotiate plea bargains on behalf of his or her office. The State Attorney General’s Office has opined that this person could be a police officer or his superior, other administrative officers, private attorneys or municipal attorneys (1978 Op. Atty. Gen. (Inf.) 179). Any shift in this responsibility from the State to local government should not take place without an increase in justice court operational fees paid to local governments.



Please write the Governor to register your support for this legislation:



Governor George E. Pataki

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did it pass - I cant find anything that says it did

This legislation will amend the Executive Law to prohibit the Division of State Police from making rules or regulations that would limit the ability of a member of the New York State Police to appear at any local court or facility within their geographical area of employment, to recommend a reduced charge from a violation of the Vehicle and Traffic law, other than any violation relating to the consumption or possession of alcohol or drugs. We respectfully request that the Governor approve this legislation.

Effective September 1, 2006, the New York State Troopers will no longer be negotiating plea bargains in town justice courts. This new policy will impact the manner in which traffic tickets are adjudicated in town justice courts. The plea bargain system is essential to keeping the cost of operating our justice courts feasible for the taxpayers. Towns rely upon fine money garnered from traffic tickets to fund all or a substantial portion of the operating expenses associated with town justice courts. Town justices are prohibited from negotiating pleas themselves and must rely upon the district attorney or their designee to negotiate pleas in traffic cases (1980 Op. Atty. Gen. (Inf.) 237 citing Peo. v Decker, 28 Misc 2d 845 [County Ct, Chemung Co, 1961]). In many counties, the State Troopers provide this service.

County Law §700 requires district attorneys to conduct all prosecutions for crimes and offenses cognizable by the courts of the county for which he shall have been elected or appointed. This responsibility includes prosecution of traffic infractions under the Vehicle and Traffic law (1978 Op. Atty. Gen. (Inf.) 179). In conducting such prosecutions, a district attorney is authorized to make pleas to traffic informations in accordance with the aforementioned provisions of Criminal Procedure Law, §§ 220.10 and 340.20.


Although, the County District Attorney is responsible for negotiating traffic ticket plea bargains, the Court of Appeals has recognized the impossibility of requiring a county district attorney to appear and prosecute all misdemeanors and offenses in every court within the county. The district attorney can fulfill his prosecutorial responsibilities by making arrangements whereby he knows of all prosecutions in the county and consents to appearances on his behalf (Op Atty Gen (Inf) No. 96-31; (1978 Op. Atty. Gen. (Inf.) 179 citing People v. Van Sickle, 13 NY2d 61 [1963]; People v. Czajka, 11 NY2d 253 [1962]). Two-thirds of the County district attorneys rely upon the State Troopers to negotiate traffic ticket plea bargains in local town and village justice courts. While we cannot predict how each county district attorney will handle the prosecution of traffic tickets after September 1, 2006, many may look to the towns to help meet this new obligation. It is possible that in some counties a town officer might be called upon to accept a designation from the county district attorney’s office to negotiate plea bargains on behalf of his or her office (Op. Atty. Gen. (Inf.) No. 98-14). The State Attorney General’s Office has opined that this person could be a police officer or his superior, other administrative officers, private attorneys or municipal attorneys (1978 Op. Atty. Gen. (Inf.) 179).


A change in policy of this magnitude during the end of the town’s fiscal year will be very difficult for many towns to financially absorb. In order for towns to absorb this new financial obligation they will need an increase in fees for operational expenses. Town justice courts have not received an increase in fees for operational expenses since 1997 (Chapter 452, §1, of the Laws of 1997 amended the General Municipal Law §99-l; Vehicle & Traffic Law §1809 (9); Penal Law, §60.35 (9, new) increasing the fees to $15.00). Therefore, any change in the appearance policy of the New York State Police should not take affect until legislation is adopted to establish new revenue streams to fund local prosecutors. This legislation affords the State an opportunity to examine the justice court’s operational fee structure and make amendments thereto in order to provide towns with the financial assistance required to implement such a policy as proposed by the State Troopers.

The Association of Towns strongly supports this legislation and respectfully asks the Governor to sign this legislation into law.
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Government running true to form. Institute a policy then scramble about trying to deal with the consequences they should've considered beforehand.
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Government running true to form. Institute a policy then scramble about trying to deal with the consequences they should've considered beforehand.

State Government doesn't care about the cities and towns just like Federal government doesn't care about the states.

This has become all too apparent with the 9-11 payouts that The government and now the state think the City should pay.
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State Government doesn't care about the cities and towns just like Federal government doesn't care about the states.

This has become all too apparent with the 9-11 payouts that The government and now the state think the City should pay.
All it is saying is that the Trooper will be resonsible for prosecuting his own case before the Judge. Just another cutback so the local towns don't have to pay a Prosecutor 500.00 bucks an hour on Court days. It is done all the time. This is just a fancy way to justify increasing fines.
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All it is saying is that the Trooper will be resonsible for prosecuting his own case before the Judge. Just another cutback so the local towns don't have to pay a Prosecutor 500.00 bucks an hour on Court days. It is done all the time. This is just a fancy way to justify increasing fines.
that is not how I read it.

I read it that the State Trooper will no longer be involved in the case. The Trooper will just issue the ticket. It will be up to the towns now to hire someone to do the pleas. If they dont hire someone then they are assuming every case will go to court because people will not just readily accept the charges.

Effective September 1, 2006, the New York State Troopers will no longer be negotiating plea bargains in town justice courts. This new policy will impact the manner in which traffic tickets are adjudicated in town justice courts. The plea bargain system is essential to keeping the cost of operating our justice courts feasible for the taxpayers. Towns rely upon fine money garnered from traffic tickets to fund all or a substantial portion of the operating expenses associated with town justice courts. Town justices are prohibited from negotiating pleas themselves and must rely upon the district attorney or their designee to negotiate pleas in traffic cases (1980 Op. Atty. Gen. (Inf.) 237 citing Peo. v Decker, 28 Misc 2d 845 [County Ct, Chemung Co, 1961]). In many counties, the State Troopers provide this service.
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Originally Posted by Wicked Weasel
that is not how I read it.

I read it that the State Trooper will no longer be involved in the case. The Trooper will just issue the ticket. It will be up to the towns now to hire someone to do the pleas. If they dont hire someone then they are assuming every case will go to court because people will not just readily accept the charges.
OHHHHHHHHHH FCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKk

I had a ticket 91 in 65, reduced to $100 parking on a pavement, there were about 40 rulings like that. (night court)
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Originally Posted by Wicked Weasel
that is not how I read it.

I read it that the State Trooper will no longer be involved in the case. The Trooper will just issue the ticket. It will be up to the towns now to hire someone to do the pleas. If they dont hire someone then they are assuming every case will go to court because people will not just readily accept the charges.
They are hoping everyone just pays the ticket. If you were to plead NG somebody has to prosecute the case, It's a Constitutional Right. A plea bargain would be part of the process.
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