Double Standard??
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does a no-front-plate ticket count against you for insurance or dep't of motor vehicles (or related state agency) purposes in massachusetts?
if not, than it's just an economic issue ($ amount of ticket)...and that's no different than any other professional courtesy in a non-governmental world, i.e., an economic courtesy.
however, if a no-front-plate ticket causes legal repurcussions (adverse standing in the eyes of insurance companies or dep't of motor vehicles) then that's a whole different ballgame.
anybody know if new york, nj, or ct has a no-front-plate rule?
if not, than it's just an economic issue ($ amount of ticket)...and that's no different than any other professional courtesy in a non-governmental world, i.e., an economic courtesy.
however, if a no-front-plate ticket causes legal repurcussions (adverse standing in the eyes of insurance companies or dep't of motor vehicles) then that's a whole different ballgame.
anybody know if new york, nj, or ct has a no-front-plate rule?
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In any case.. I hope everyone has a good holiday season. Plates or no plates 
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From: Probably talking that police officer out of giving you a summons! ========== The Beautiful Lower Hudson Valley, NY
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
Ok, so he was issued a ticket for no front plate because he didn’t have the plate properly affixed to the front of the car even though he knew he should have. That seems fair enough.
He was stopped the next day for the same thing by the same Police Officer and issued another summons because even though he knew that he was supposed to have the plate properly affixed and was issued a ticket for it the previous day he still didn’t have it properly affixed. That seems pretty fair to me too.
Now the issue of professional courtesy:
Almost every profession that can practice it does.
Why should Police Officer’s be any different?
Were you upset when you bought your Corvette that someone that was employed at the Dealership could have gotten it for less money because they work there?
Would you go in to a major appliance store and complain because you don’t get the same discount as their employees do.
When you go to the Doctor or Dentist do you complain that they don’t give you the same treatment or discount they give to other Doctor’s, Dentists, or their families?
Police Officers have the option to use discretion when it comes to traffic offenses much like folks in other professions have the option to use discretion in pricing or level of service for the things they provide.
I’m willing to bet that as a civilian you have a better chance of being the recipient of a discretionary pass from a Police Officer for a traffic offense then you do of getting a true employee discount or preferred level of service the next time you buy a car, appliance, or visit your Doctor or Dentist.
Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.
Happy Holidays and have a great day!
He was stopped the next day for the same thing by the same Police Officer and issued another summons because even though he knew that he was supposed to have the plate properly affixed and was issued a ticket for it the previous day he still didn’t have it properly affixed. That seems pretty fair to me too.
Now the issue of professional courtesy:
Almost every profession that can practice it does.
Why should Police Officer’s be any different?
Were you upset when you bought your Corvette that someone that was employed at the Dealership could have gotten it for less money because they work there?
Would you go in to a major appliance store and complain because you don’t get the same discount as their employees do.
When you go to the Doctor or Dentist do you complain that they don’t give you the same treatment or discount they give to other Doctor’s, Dentists, or their families?
Police Officers have the option to use discretion when it comes to traffic offenses much like folks in other professions have the option to use discretion in pricing or level of service for the things they provide.
I’m willing to bet that as a civilian you have a better chance of being the recipient of a discretionary pass from a Police Officer for a traffic offense then you do of getting a true employee discount or preferred level of service the next time you buy a car, appliance, or visit your Doctor or Dentist.
Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.
Happy Holidays and have a great day!
A very Merry Christmas to you and yours. 
Charlie
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From: Probably talking that police officer out of giving you a summons! ========== The Beautiful Lower Hudson Valley, NY
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
does a no-front-plate ticket count against you for insurance or dep't of motor vehicles (or related state agency) purposes in massachusetts?
if not, than it's just an economic issue ($ amount of ticket)...and that's no different than any other professional courtesy in a non-governmental world, i.e., an economic courtesy.
however, if a no-front-plate ticket causes legal repurcussions (adverse standing in the eyes of insurance companies or dep't of motor vehicles) then that's a whole different ballgame.
anybody know if new york, nj, or ct has a no-front-plate rule?
if not, than it's just an economic issue ($ amount of ticket)...and that's no different than any other professional courtesy in a non-governmental world, i.e., an economic courtesy.
however, if a no-front-plate ticket causes legal repurcussions (adverse standing in the eyes of insurance companies or dep't of motor vehicles) then that's a whole different ballgame.
anybody know if new york, nj, or ct has a no-front-plate rule?
Charlie
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your right... a seemingly petty and self-explanitory thing envokes a heated response because of its initial pettyness to begin with. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. Im sure Elaine and her husband are great corvette community people, but the way this was phrased and brought up just came across as being somewhat on the ridiculous side. We were wrong but so are the cops/families so let me detract attention from my own wrong doing to point to someone else's wrongdoing... In any case.. I hope everyone has a good holiday season. Plates or no plates
In any case.. I hope everyone has a good holiday season. Plates or no plates And, yes, my husband and I are extremely active in the Corvette community throughout all of New England, and I spoke for many of them when I asked the original question. I don't need to defend myself nor will I. Ridiculous? Not in Massachusetts.
Elaine
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Ok, so he was issued a ticket for no front plate because he didn’t have the plate properly affixed to the front of the car even though he knew he should have. That seems fair enough.
He was stopped the next day for the same thing by the same Police Officer and issued another summons because even though he knew that he was supposed to have the plate properly affixed and was issued a ticket for it the previous day he still didn’t have it properly affixed. That seems pretty fair to me too.
Now the issue of professional courtesy:
Almost every profession that can practice it does.
Why should Police Officer’s be any different?
Were you upset when you bought your Corvette that someone that was employed at the Dealership could have gotten it for less money because they work there?
Would you go in to a major appliance store and complain because you don’t get the same discount as their employees do.
When you go to the Doctor or Dentist do you complain that they don’t give you the same treatment or discount they give to other Doctor’s, Dentists, or their families?
Police Officers have the option to use discretion when it comes to traffic offenses much like folks in other professions have the option to use discretion in pricing or level of service for the things they provide.
I’m willing to bet that as a civilian you have a better chance of being the recipient of a discretionary pass from a Police Officer for a traffic offense then you do of getting a true employee discount or preferred level of service the next time you buy a car, appliance, or visit your Doctor or Dentist.
Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.
Happy Holidays and have a great day!
He was stopped the next day for the same thing by the same Police Officer and issued another summons because even though he knew that he was supposed to have the plate properly affixed and was issued a ticket for it the previous day he still didn’t have it properly affixed. That seems pretty fair to me too.
Now the issue of professional courtesy:
Almost every profession that can practice it does.
Why should Police Officer’s be any different?
Were you upset when you bought your Corvette that someone that was employed at the Dealership could have gotten it for less money because they work there?
Would you go in to a major appliance store and complain because you don’t get the same discount as their employees do.
When you go to the Doctor or Dentist do you complain that they don’t give you the same treatment or discount they give to other Doctor’s, Dentists, or their families?
Police Officers have the option to use discretion when it comes to traffic offenses much like folks in other professions have the option to use discretion in pricing or level of service for the things they provide.
I’m willing to bet that as a civilian you have a better chance of being the recipient of a discretionary pass from a Police Officer for a traffic offense then you do of getting a true employee discount or preferred level of service the next time you buy a car, appliance, or visit your Doctor or Dentist.
Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.
Happy Holidays and have a great day!
End of discussion. Obviously, this question hits too close to home for some people.
Elaine
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From: Probably talking that police officer out of giving you a summons! ========== The Beautiful Lower Hudson Valley, NY
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
I was not comparing this to an employee discount. I was asking why the law which requires two plates in MA does not apply to certain people. That's no equal to an employee discount, is it?
End of discussion. Obviously, this question hits too close to home for some people.
Elaine
End of discussion. Obviously, this question hits too close to home for some people.
Elaine
Charlie
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St. Jude Donor '08
Please!!! I asked a question because I was unaware of why there are so many cars with the blue lines and no front plate. If it offended anyone, that's not my fault.
And, yes, my husband and I are extremely active in the Corvette community throughout all of New England, and I spoke for many of them when I asked the original question. I don't need to defend myself nor will I. Ridiculous? Not in Massachusetts.
Elaine
And, yes, my husband and I are extremely active in the Corvette community throughout all of New England, and I spoke for many of them when I asked the original question. I don't need to defend myself nor will I. Ridiculous? Not in Massachusetts.
Elaine
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all I said was apparently I... and some other people.. thought maybe it was phrased a little oddly. That was all. No one asked you to defend yourself and no one was offended. As a public forum we all have rights to our own opinions.. if anything.. my last post was trying to be nice to you that maybe we all read it wrong.. or ganged up on you. This was never about you personally.. more the way you phrased your question and came across in your posts. If you chose not to see how what you wrote could be construed with different opinions then maybe you shouldnt post in an open forum.
) and everyone else that is trying to get the point across to you, Elaine, that in EVERY working field there is some sort of professional courtesy. Why doesn't it apply to the cars/vettes with the thin blue lines? Because they're fellow COPS.......period! And I'm sorry, but it IS comparable to employee discounts. You are just choosing to ignore this simple fact because you're angry that your husband was ticketed twice in two days by the same officer. Well, guess what? If I had ticketed you one day and saw you blatantly committing the very same offense the next day, I'd give you TWO tickets! That's like giving that officer a HUGE middle finger right in the face.Your question was answered over and over again in this thread, you just didn't like the answer, so like stated above, if you're going to post in an open forum you have to be prepared to have people (gulp!) NOT agree with you. Jeez
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Those stickers stand for the "Thin Blue Line" or in other words, an announcement that you are police personnel. Here in Jersey cops and family put them on the back of their cars so officers know they are pulling over a cop or family of a cop. Its considered professional courtesy.
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From: Probably talking that police officer out of giving you a summons! ========== The Beautiful Lower Hudson Valley, NY
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
After reading this entire thread.....I have to agree with you here (no, the world is not ending ) and everyone else that is trying to get the point across to you, Elaine, that in EVERY working field there is some sort of professional courtesy. Why doesn't it apply to the cars/vettes with the thin blue lines? Because they're fellow COPS.......period! And I'm sorry, but it IS comparable to employee discounts. You are just choosing to ignore this simple fact because you're angry that your husband was ticketed twice in two days by the same officer. Well, guess what? If I had ticketed you one day and saw you blatantly committing the very same offense the next day, I'd give you TWO tickets! That's like giving that officer a HUGE middle finger right in the face.
Your question was answered over and over again in this thread, you just didn't like the answer, so like stated above, if you're going to post in an open forum you have to be prepared to have people (gulp!) NOT agree with you. Jeez
) and everyone else that is trying to get the point across to you, Elaine, that in EVERY working field there is some sort of professional courtesy. Why doesn't it apply to the cars/vettes with the thin blue lines? Because they're fellow COPS.......period! And I'm sorry, but it IS comparable to employee discounts. You are just choosing to ignore this simple fact because you're angry that your husband was ticketed twice in two days by the same officer. Well, guess what? If I had ticketed you one day and saw you blatantly committing the very same offense the next day, I'd give you TWO tickets! That's like giving that officer a HUGE middle finger right in the face.Your question was answered over and over again in this thread, you just didn't like the answer, so like stated above, if you're going to post in an open forum you have to be prepared to have people (gulp!) NOT agree with you. Jeez
Charlie
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St. Jude Donor '06
Same to you Charlie!
I might be mistaken, but after reading your posts it seemed to me that you knew exacty what those blue stripes on the cars were there for.
Your questions about the blue stripes, double standards, and who a law applied to seemed provactive. If that was your intent, then I think you got the type of responses that could have been reasonably expected.
It appeared as though you were understandably angry that your husband got two tickets in as many days from the same Police Officer (even though he was wrong both times), and you chose a public forum to vent that anger. I undersatnd your anger, but I think it is somewhat misdirected.
Happy Holidays!
Please!!! I asked a question because I was unaware of why there are so many cars with the blue lines and no front plate. If it offended anyone, that's not my fault.
And, yes, my husband and I are extremely active in the Corvette community throughout all of New England, and I spoke for many of them when I asked the original question. I don't need to defend myself nor will I. Ridiculous? Not in Massachusetts.
Elaine
And, yes, my husband and I are extremely active in the Corvette community throughout all of New England, and I spoke for many of them when I asked the original question. I don't need to defend myself nor will I. Ridiculous? Not in Massachusetts.
Elaine
Your questions about the blue stripes, double standards, and who a law applied to seemed provactive. If that was your intent, then I think you got the type of responses that could have been reasonably expected.
It appeared as though you were understandably angry that your husband got two tickets in as many days from the same Police Officer (even though he was wrong both times), and you chose a public forum to vent that anger. I undersatnd your anger, but I think it is somewhat misdirected.
Happy Holidays!
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10
does a no-front-plate ticket count against you for insurance or dep't of motor vehicles (or related state agency) purposes in massachusetts?
if not, than it's just an economic issue ($ amount of ticket)...and that's no different than any other professional courtesy in a non-governmental world, i.e., an economic courtesy.
however, if a no-front-plate ticket causes legal repurcussions (adverse standing in the eyes of insurance companies or dep't of motor vehicles) then that's a whole different ballgame.
anybody know if new york, nj, or ct has a no-front-plate rule?
if not, than it's just an economic issue ($ amount of ticket)...and that's no different than any other professional courtesy in a non-governmental world, i.e., an economic courtesy.
however, if a no-front-plate ticket causes legal repurcussions (adverse standing in the eyes of insurance companies or dep't of motor vehicles) then that's a whole different ballgame.
anybody know if new york, nj, or ct has a no-front-plate rule?
), But as many of you guess some of the C5/C6 outlaw types elect not to blemish the smooth lines of these generation Vettes with the crappy lookin' front tag. With that said, it can cost these owners a "surcharge" at times to enjoy the freedom of these smooth looks that the omitted hunk of aluminum offers. No points, just $$$. Pay to play, or wear the crappy front tag. With that said I might be offended seeing the very people that ticket folks breaking the law, breaking the law themselves as I like to think people in authority positions should show good example and conduct themselves on a higher standard than the unwashed commoners. 
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From: Probably talking that police officer out of giving you a summons! ========== The Beautiful Lower Hudson Valley, NY
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
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I might be mistaken, but after reading your posts it seemed to me that you knew exacty what those blue stripes on the cars were there for.
Your questions about the blue stripes, double standards, and who a law applied to seemed provactive. If that was your intent, then I think you got the type of responses that could have been reasonably expected.
It appeared as though you were understandably angry that your husband got two tickets in as many days from the same Police Officer (even though he was wrong both times), and you chose a public forum to vent that anger. I undersatnd your anger, but I think it is somewhat misdirected.
Happy Holidays!
Your questions about the blue stripes, double standards, and who a law applied to seemed provactive. If that was your intent, then I think you got the type of responses that could have been reasonably expected.
It appeared as though you were understandably angry that your husband got two tickets in as many days from the same Police Officer (even though he was wrong both times), and you chose a public forum to vent that anger. I undersatnd your anger, but I think it is somewhat misdirected.
Happy Holidays!
And as far as being angry about the two tickets...that was almost 3 years ago. Believe me, there's no anger about them! I told everyone here that he got ticket #1 and thought it would be an isolated incident (as many other Corvette owners hope when they're ticketed for no front plate). It wasn't an isolated incident, and the plate went on the front immediately after the second time.
Thanks, everyone, for your comments.
End of discussion.
Elaine
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Just to clarify some of your comments and those of others...no, I did not know for sure what the blue stripes meant here in MA. My original post was to confirm what they were as I've seen more and more personal cars with those stripes lately.
And as far as being angry about the two tickets...that was almost 3 years ago. Believe me, there's no anger about them! I told everyone here that he got ticket #1 and thought it would be an isolated incident (as many other Corvette owners hope when they're ticketed for no front plate). It wasn't an isolated incident, and the plate went on the front immediately after the second time.
Thanks, everyone, for your comments.
End of discussion.
Elaine
And as far as being angry about the two tickets...that was almost 3 years ago. Believe me, there's no anger about them! I told everyone here that he got ticket #1 and thought it would be an isolated incident (as many other Corvette owners hope when they're ticketed for no front plate). It wasn't an isolated incident, and the plate went on the front immediately after the second time.
Thanks, everyone, for your comments.
End of discussion.
Elaine
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