2009 Nissan GT-R U.S. pricing announced at $69,850
11-16-2007, 01:00 AM
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Until test results are in, this discussion will remain for the bench racers. Who would have thought that the 405 HP LS 2 can equal the performance of the 500 HP Shelby GT (or whatever its called), or that the the 600 HP Viper can only manage to be .1 seconds faster than a 505 HP Z06 on 1/4 mile? This is why mathematicians will never be rich. Calculations can never predict exactly what will happen in the future 
I do like the the interior quality, and being partial to Japanese quality of work, I know this is a very well put together car. But will it outperform my Z? This remains to be seen.
I do like the the interior quality, and being partial to Japanese quality of work, I know this is a very well put together car. But will it outperform my Z? This remains to be seen.
11-16-2007, 07:48 AM
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Were you saying "enough with this new C6Z06 alread" prior to it arriving at the dealerships? If you recall, there was a ton of build up and hype back then for it as well.
Vette guys will be Vette guys and only buy Vettes and that's cool. Just feel honored that all of the new performance cars are comparing themselves to the Z06 and Porsches.....that says alot in and of itself.
Vette guys will be Vette guys and only buy Vettes and that's cool. Just feel honored that all of the new performance cars are comparing themselves to the Z06 and Porsches.....that says alot in and of itself.
11-16-2007, 07:52 AM
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Taken from the LA autoshows press release:
"GT-R is a multi-dimensional performance machine that lives up to the concept of "the ultimate supercar that can be driven by anyone, anytime, anywhere" and achieved a lap time of 7:38 around the famed Nürburgring Nordschleife, one of the fastest times achieved by a production-spec vehicle to date."
"GT-R is a multi-dimensional performance machine that lives up to the concept of "the ultimate supercar that can be driven by anyone, anytime, anywhere" and achieved a lap time of 7:38 around the famed Nürburgring Nordschleife, one of the fastest times achieved by a production-spec vehicle to date."
11-16-2007, 08:04 AM
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I guess you don't spend much time on Wall Street.
[QUOTE=O7zeeO6;1562773109] This is why mathematicians will never be rich. Calculations can never predict exactly what will happen in the future
[QUOTE=O7zeeO6;1562773109] This is why mathematicians will never be rich. Calculations can never predict exactly what will happen in the future
11-16-2007, 08:05 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoN4nCGQK74
Here it is. The CEO clearly says it was "near production spec". I wonder how much boost they turned up in the shop and what tires they used on that run.
Here it is. The CEO clearly says it was "near production spec". I wonder how much boost they turned up in the shop and what tires they used on that run.
11-16-2007, 08:13 AM
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I think the seats in the car come with the holes for a harness belt system stock. Ready to go.
11-16-2007, 08:14 AM
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You guys are in denial. Yes, it's fat. Yes, it's ugly. But yes, it is a major threat. Nürburgring times don't lie. Go watch the in-car video; it beat the z06 by almost 5 seconds. 
Nice to finally see competition.
Andi
who'd still rather have a z06 but I'm having a very hard time justifying it
Nice to finally see competition. Andi
who'd still rather have a z06 but I'm having a very hard time justifying it
C6 Z06 3132lb car with 505hp and 470lbs tq
Do the math....
These cars will get ate up and spit out from a roll. I seriously doubt the Ring times are accurate given the cars stats.
Oh and the American version will have stricter emission standards so I'm not so sure it will even get 480hp over here.
11-16-2007, 10:21 AM
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You guys are in denial. Yes, it's fat. Yes, it's ugly. But yes, it is a major threat. Nürburgring times don't lie. Go watch the in-car video; it beat the z06 by almost 5 seconds. Nice to finally see competition.
Andi
who'd still rather have a z06 but I'm having a very hard time justifying it
Nice to finally see competition. Andi
who'd still rather have a z06 but I'm having a very hard time justifying it
Go watch the video again. They start the timer at the END of the blue wall and they clearly stop it at the BEGINNING of the blue wall. 
If you go back to the beginning of the tape time it see how long it takes for the GT-R to go from the beginning of the blue wall to the end and see what you get…about 5-6 seconds. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg
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11-16-2007, 10:52 AM
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Wow....its great to know we have a physicist here with us 
. What formulas were you using again? Because i'm sure being as smart as you are you know that power to weight ratio is only a fraction of criteria in determining a cars ability to maneuver around a track. The GT3 has a closer power to weight ratio to the GTR then it does then Z06 yet it is STILL faster then the Z06 around the Nurburgring. Hmmmmm??? 
Porsche 997 GT3
3195lbs
415HP
7.69#/HP
7:42 @ Nurburgring
Some of you need to realize that when going around a track there is A LOT more involved then power to weight ratios...even in straight line acceleration power to weight is only a fraction of the equation. Gearing, down force, aerodynamics, torque curve, suspension layout, drive-train layout, power transfer dynamics, brakes, wheels, tires, etc. etc. list goes on all day long. A LT1 Camaro has a better power to weight ratio then the new Cobalt SS...do you think its faster around a track? **** no. The Cobalt SS has ran a 8:22 on the Nurburgring...I wouldnt expect the Camaro to pull better then a 8:32.
. What formulas were you using again? Because i'm sure being as smart as you are you know that power to weight ratio is only a fraction of criteria in determining a cars ability to maneuver around a track. The GT3 has a closer power to weight ratio to the GTR then it does then Z06 yet it is STILL faster then the Z06 around the Nurburgring. Hmmmmm??? Porsche 997 GT3
3195lbs
415HP
7.69#/HP
7:42 @ Nurburgring
Some of you need to realize that when going around a track there is A LOT more involved then power to weight ratios...even in straight line acceleration power to weight is only a fraction of the equation. Gearing, down force, aerodynamics, torque curve, suspension layout, drive-train layout, power transfer dynamics, brakes, wheels, tires, etc. etc. list goes on all day long. A LT1 Camaro has a better power to weight ratio then the new Cobalt SS...do you think its faster around a track? **** no. The Cobalt SS has ran a 8:22 on the Nurburgring...I wouldnt expect the Camaro to pull better then a 8:32.
that the weight to HP ratio is only one piece of the speed pie, though it is a big piece. All the other GT-R systems are going to need to be significantly better than the competitions to make up this large begining deficit.The GT-R is going to be a great car and will be a ton of fun to drive. I just think it is interesting to try and intelligently speculate on it's performance. I don't clain to be a physicist
, this is just common sense. I can't wait to see a real one-on-one track test, totally stock US specifications.Doesn't make any difference to me which one is faster. I believe we are all lucky to live in this "Golden Age" of high performance cars! Bring them all on!
Dean
11-16-2007, 10:57 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoN4nCGQK74
Here it is. The CEO clearly says it was "near production spec". I wonder how much boost they turned up in the shop and what tires they used on that run.
Here it is. The CEO clearly says it was "near production spec". I wonder how much boost they turned up in the shop and what tires they used on that run.
He clearly says at the 2:58 mark "a near production GT-R set a lap time of 7:38."
Near Production = Not Stock
11-16-2007, 12:14 PM
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I agree with many above that the true results are yet to be seen. One thing many people here are overlooking is the horsepower/torque ratings. Who says that they are not underrating its specs? There are many such reasons to do so, including insurance.
When my 335 twin turbo came out, the same performance questions were asked. When dynoed, the horsepower and torque ratings were very near the real world rear wheel numbers, which could explain alot.
These are completely different cars, and technologically vastly different. I don't think Nissan would blatantly lie, because if they did they will be exposed. Orders for the GTR are already 10x predicted monthly units in Japan.
I don't think that Nissan was ever comparing itself directly to the C6Z06, yet many people here seem to be very disconcerted about its likely abilities.
I will just take both! The GTR will be a fine car, as it is jig assembled, and the drivetrains hand assembled. For this price it IS a bargain, and I can put my kids in it.
When my 335 twin turbo came out, the same performance questions were asked. When dynoed, the horsepower and torque ratings were very near the real world rear wheel numbers, which could explain alot.
These are completely different cars, and technologically vastly different. I don't think Nissan would blatantly lie, because if they did they will be exposed. Orders for the GTR are already 10x predicted monthly units in Japan.
I don't think that Nissan was ever comparing itself directly to the C6Z06, yet many people here seem to be very disconcerted about its likely abilities.
I will just take both! The GTR will be a fine car, as it is jig assembled, and the drivetrains hand assembled. For this price it IS a bargain, and I can put my kids in it.
11-16-2007, 12:33 PM
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Were you saying "enough with this new C6Z06 alread" prior to it arriving at the dealerships? If you recall, there was a ton of build up and hype back then for it as well.
Vette guys will be Vette guys and only buy Vettes and that's cool. Just feel honored that all of the new performance cars are comparing themselves to the Z06 and Porsches.....that says alot in and of itself.
Vette guys will be Vette guys and only buy Vettes and that's cool. Just feel honored that all of the new performance cars are comparing themselves to the Z06 and Porsches.....that says alot in and of itself.
I understand what you're saying, ... but...Being it's a CORVETTE forum, no, I wasn't saying enough .. with the ZO6 already, and why should I ? But last I checked this is not the GTR forum
11-16-2007, 12:35 PM
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The ZO6 is still the KING...but it is nice to see some other performance cars on the market....a little competition never hurts us ZO6 guys since it helps keep GM on the mark.
11-16-2007, 12:50 PM
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I sat in that thing last night at the LA Auto Show... LOTS of plastic, kinda cheesy center stack too. Believe it or not, I thought he Z interior is better. Also, the front fenders look like ***.
11-16-2007, 01:52 PM
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It happens on every forum. Its happening right now on 6speed, Rennlist, E90post, ViperAlley, et al as well as here re: the GTR.
Yes, I realize this is a Corvette Forum (I've been here for a number of years). We were reading about the Z06 on the NON Vette forums just like this ad nauseum. It's called potential competition. Now, whether the GTR will be DIRECT competition for the Z06 remains to be seen.
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11-16-2007, 02:15 PM
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Go watch the video again. They start the timer at the END of the blue wall and they clearly stop it at the BEGINNING of the blue wall. If you go back to the beginning of the tape time it see how long it takes for the GT-R to go from the beginning of the blue wall to the end and see what you get…about 5-6 seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg