550 hp.new camero ?
06-03-2010, 10:31 PM
#41
Drifting
This makes the base LS3 Corvette/Grand Sport look bad imo. The list of cars FASTER then the Corvette continues to grow.....the CTS-V sedan/coupe and now the Camaro. The kicker is that the Camaro Z28 will come in lower priced then the Corvette AND the CTS-V coupe is miles ahead of Corvette in refinement and also just as quick in most driving situations.
This furthers my point about how vastly overpriced the C6 has become imo. The competiton even within GM is hurting Corvette sales. The C7 can't come fast enough..........
This furthers my point about how vastly overpriced the C6 has become imo. The competiton even within GM is hurting Corvette sales. The C7 can't come fast enough..........
Yes, I know they just came out with the GS (which I love), but it looks almost exactly like a Z06, which hasn't been changed since it came out.
If you put an 05 Vette next to a base 11 Vette, they look the freakin same. Oh wait, they change the wheels every year. Wow.
Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE the way the C6 looks, I am only going on about the fact that GM needs to start making some in generation changes with their vehicles.
06-04-2010, 07:58 AM
#42
Race Director
Please NAME them........ wait, you can't as they do not exist (leaving out the usual $300,000 suspects from Ferrari etc).
The 2010 GS runs 0 to 60 in 3.95. The 2011 with new tires may be 3.9 flat (and the C5 Z06 finally matched 7 model years later). NO Caddie nor Camaro can nor will run that. The new Z28 will have a huge HP rating but it will run on skinny tires and weigh close to 4000 Pounds. It may run 4.3, a time still short of a pure base Corvette.
The 2010 GS runs 0 to 60 in 3.95. The 2011 with new tires may be 3.9 flat (and the C5 Z06 finally matched 7 model years later). NO Caddie nor Camaro can nor will run that. The new Z28 will have a huge HP rating but it will run on skinny tires and weigh close to 4000 Pounds. It may run 4.3, a time still short of a pure base Corvette.
The CTS-V sedan (which will be heavier then the coupe or coming Z28) normally tests running mid 12's@115ish..........those are LS3 numbers folks, bone stock, and they are running it in a much more luxurious cabin. Unless your at VIR/Road Atlanta that guy in the Caddy/Z28 has a car just as quick as the guy in the Grand Sport/base vette.
You mean like the Grand Sport makes the base Z06?
These other cars may have larger engines but that doesn't make them faster than a C6. That said, any car can be made faster with modifications, like the many base C6's that can put a stock Z06 to shame with a few performance mods.
These other cars may have larger engines but that doesn't make them faster than a C6. That said, any car can be made faster with modifications, like the many base C6's that can put a stock Z06 to shame with a few performance mods.
The GT500, people in this thread are bringing up, is severe traction limited, owners slap on DR's and magically it's an 11 sec car. No need to mess with the motor or tune.
Some of you guys need to wake up
06-04-2010, 09:27 AM
#43
blah blah blah as if any of us can tell the difference between tenths of a second here or there.
we buy corvettes because they're fast and, more importantly, because it's a corvette!
one thing's for sure, there are a lot of great current (and future) options for american cars out there!
we buy corvettes because they're fast and, more importantly, because it's a corvette!
one thing's for sure, there are a lot of great current (and future) options for american cars out there!
06-04-2010, 09:52 AM
#44
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blah blah blah as if any of us can tell the difference between tenths of a second here or there.
we buy corvettes because they're fast and, more importantly, because it's a corvette!
one thing's for sure, there are a lot of great current (and future) options for american cars out there!
we buy corvettes because they're fast and, more importantly, because it's a corvette!
one thing's for sure, there are a lot of great current (and future) options for american cars out there!
Corvette haters GTFO. 
06-04-2010, 11:27 AM
#45
Le Mans Master
Just imagine the poor ZO6 owners after the GS came out with the Callaway option and how they felt. Unless you buy every year and constantly spend $$$ you will always be looking over your shoulder.
I'm happy the Corvette is what it is and grateful for what it offers. Something for just about everyone unless you need the back seat.
06-04-2010, 11:49 AM
#47
Le Mans Master
06-04-2010, 12:09 PM
#48
Melting Slicks
You realize GM has already announced the CTS-V Coupe will do 3.9 0-60 on the factory "skinny" tires......bone stock
The CTS-V sedan (which will be heavier then the coupe or coming Z28) normally tests running mid 12's@115ish..........those are LS3 numbers folks, bone stock, and they are running it in a much more luxurious cabin. Unless your at VIR/Road Atlanta that guy in the Caddy/Z28 has a car just as quick as the guy in the Grand Sport/base vette.
These cars are packing 126 more hp then an LS3, they are stock oem cars. Just wait till the owners start reporting times at the track. You may not believe now, but within 2 years I know you'll see the Z28/CTS-V coupe with a decided edge in 1/4 mile track times........with a set of DR's and great driving mid 11's.
The GT500, people in this thread are bringing up, is severe traction limited, owners slap on DR's and magically it's an 11 sec car. No need to mess with the motor or tune.
Some of you guys need to wake up
The CTS-V sedan (which will be heavier then the coupe or coming Z28) normally tests running mid 12's@115ish..........those are LS3 numbers folks, bone stock, and they are running it in a much more luxurious cabin. Unless your at VIR/Road Atlanta that guy in the Caddy/Z28 has a car just as quick as the guy in the Grand Sport/base vette.
These cars are packing 126 more hp then an LS3, they are stock oem cars. Just wait till the owners start reporting times at the track. You may not believe now, but within 2 years I know you'll see the Z28/CTS-V coupe with a decided edge in 1/4 mile track times........with a set of DR's and great driving mid 11's.
The GT500, people in this thread are bringing up, is severe traction limited, owners slap on DR's and magically it's an 11 sec car. No need to mess with the motor or tune.
Some of you guys need to wake up
The classic big block Camaro's, Chevelles, GTO's, Road Runners Ect, all owned the old corvettes at the drag strip - but take them up a mountain road or road course and watch them disappear in your mirror.
Racing in a strait line is like always screwing in the same position. You need to get out more and experience your car's capabilities.
06-04-2010, 01:09 PM
#49
Race Director
So do you - not everybody cares about 1/4 mile times. The Corvette is a world class sports car, not a drag race machine.
The classic big block Camaro's, Chevelles, GTO's, Road Runners Ect, all owned the old corvettes at the drag strip - but take them up a mountain road or road course and watch them disappear in your mirror.
Racing in a strait line is like always screwing in the same position. You need to get out more and experience your car's capabilities.
The classic big block Camaro's, Chevelles, GTO's, Road Runners Ect, all owned the old corvettes at the drag strip - but take them up a mountain road or road course and watch them disappear in your mirror.
Racing in a strait line is like always screwing in the same position. You need to get out more and experience your car's capabilities.
I find in amusing that the people who claim there is no difference between a Z06 and a Grand Sport on the street (it's nearly a tie -to them). In the face of newer more powerful cars (let alone from within GM) that equal the performance of our beloved LS3 based Corvettes.....that all of a sudden those cars still don't compare to an LS3 Corvette on a racetrack.
Lmao
Talk about having it both ways. The new reality is, unless your one of the "poor Z06 folks" or a ZR1 owner, the LS3 Corvette is now becoming outgunned more frequently........anyone see that the 2011 GT500 posted a 2.58 around VIR recently...another car that's caught up to LS3 Corvette performance in a hurry.
If your like me, and proud to own a Corvette, the other cars don't really matter and don't give the thrills a vette does. BUT they are just has quick as the entry level vette, no denying that.
06-04-2010, 01:30 PM
#51
Melting Slicks
I find in amusing that the people who claim there is no difference between a Z06 and a Grand Sport on the street (it's nearly a tie -to them). In the face of newer more powerful cars (let alone from within GM) that equal the performance of our beloved LS3 based Corvettes.....that all of a sudden those cars still don't compare to an LS3 Corvette on a racetrack.
Lmao
Lmao
The difference between the Z06 and the GS on a closed course track are much smaller than the differences between the GS and a Camaro or especially a Caddy, especially to anyone with limited track experience.
I think its funny also, that some men feel the need to have the 'fastest' car in a strait line on the street - they are missing the point almost entirely with a corvette or any other world class sports car.
06-04-2010, 01:31 PM
#52
I don't see what people are up in arms about. You can make your Corvette as stupid fast as you want for a few grand and have a better overall platform than a Camaro.
I'm satisfied with my wimpy bone stock 400hp LS2, I can take 200 mile roadtrips to my hometown Missoula from Spokane, enjoy the twisties, take her up to speed at times and still get 27mpg with some in town driving. Honestly more power would be wasted on me, even 400 hp is insane power UNLESS your gonna track your car. It's like some sportbikes...my riding level is not high enough to even remotely explore the limits of 750cc and larger sportbikes...much less on public roads so why bother UNLESS you are going to track it. I could care less about 1/4 "racing" and if I was looking for a track car this new Camaro would not be it.
Anyone have an idea what the gas guzzler tax is going to be on it? Should run about 14/19 same as the CTS-v
I'm satisfied with my wimpy bone stock 400hp LS2, I can take 200 mile roadtrips to my hometown Missoula from Spokane, enjoy the twisties, take her up to speed at times and still get 27mpg with some in town driving. Honestly more power would be wasted on me, even 400 hp is insane power UNLESS your gonna track your car. It's like some sportbikes...my riding level is not high enough to even remotely explore the limits of 750cc and larger sportbikes...much less on public roads so why bother UNLESS you are going to track it. I could care less about 1/4 "racing" and if I was looking for a track car this new Camaro would not be it.
Anyone have an idea what the gas guzzler tax is going to be on it? Should run about 14/19 same as the CTS-v
Last edited by Dueysan; 06-04-2010 at 01:34 PM.
06-04-2010, 02:05 PM
#53
Le Mans Master
. The Z is a great Corvette. The Callawy GS is pretty tempting though.
06-04-2010, 02:08 PM
#54
Le Mans Master
blah blah blah as if any of us can tell the difference between tenths of a second here or there.
we buy corvettes because they're fast and, more importantly, because it's a corvette!
one thing's for sure, there are a lot of great current (and future) options for american cars out there!
we buy corvettes because they're fast and, more importantly, because it's a corvette!
one thing's for sure, there are a lot of great current (and future) options for american cars out there!
This is very true. The options we have as Corvette owners to mod a base or GS, the ZO6, Callaway along with the King are options and choices we should all be thankful for.
06-26-2010, 01:42 PM
#57
Le Mans Master
There will always be something faster and better. Just imagine how the ZO6 owners after the ZR1 and the Callaway GS came out. Luckily Corvette still has the ZR1 the true KING and the Callaway GS the best Vette with all the options.
The Camaro with 556 hp will be one cool and fast car and hopefully will sell very well for GM. GM needs the Z/28 to compete with the 2011 Challenger that will have a 6.3L engine with a whopping 580 hp.
The Camaro with 556 hp will be one cool and fast car and hopefully will sell very well for GM. GM needs the Z/28 to compete with the 2011 Challenger that will have a 6.3L engine with a whopping 580 hp.
