MT Best Drivers Cart 2013. No C7 Erghh
08-22-2013, 03:39 PM
#41
I also think the C7 wouldn't have won this thing but I bet it would have beat the Focus! I have to think MT put Viper in last to try and win back some of the credibility they lost when they 'recompared' the Viper using the juiced T/A.
08-22-2013, 03:40 PM
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in around 2005 or 2006 R&T picked the C6 coupe over 9 other sports cars.
The C6 was faster around the track than the Viper SRT/10, Porsche boxster,911,BMW Z4, the MB350 and every other car they had out there.
They chose it as the best sports car.
Imagine; allowing track performance numbers to pick a winner in a "sports car" catagory
To the opposite end; MT picking the Ridgeline as "best truck"... when it's built on a car chassis to begin with
that was my opinion; I thought I made that clear.
I hear ya, but that is exactly what theyt want you to believe - so as to hide their bias towards a certain mfgr(s).
looks to me that you don't happen to like the person - if they have anything negative to say about your fav magazine.
it was back in 2005. I'm not making this up; seems your feelings might have gotten bruised because one of your "trusted" magazines looks bad. Don't take it out on me.
Instead; don't practice blind-faith in anything these days ... especially in me. Find it yourself; apparently that's the only way you will believe in facts.
And Hey... I'm the same way.
The C6 was faster around the track than the Viper SRT/10, Porsche boxster,911,BMW Z4, the MB350 and every other car they had out there.
They chose it as the best sports car.
Imagine; allowing track performance numbers to pick a winner in a "sports car" catagory
To the opposite end; MT picking the Ridgeline as "best truck"... when it's built on a car chassis to begin with
that was my opinion; I thought I made that clear.
But isn't that the way it is suppose to be? You are right that they can manipulate the final result based on the "Fun to Drive" rating, etc, but I would expect that the "winner" is the car they thought was best overall.
I find them all to offer good information....unless you don't happen to like the vehicle they like, then they are crap
link?
Instead; don't practice blind-faith in anything these days ... especially in me. Find it yourself; apparently that's the only way you will believe in facts.
And Hey... I'm the same way.
08-22-2013, 03:50 PM
#44
in around 2005 or 2006 R&T picked the C6 coupe over 9 other sports cars.
The C6 was faster around the track than the Viper SRT/10, Porsche boxster,911,BMW Z4, the MB350 and every other car they had out there.
They chose it as the best sports car.
Imagine; allowing track performance numbers to pick a winner in a "sports car" catagory
The C6 was faster around the track than the Viper SRT/10, Porsche boxster,911,BMW Z4, the MB350 and every other car they had out there.
They chose it as the best sports car.
Imagine; allowing track performance numbers to pick a winner in a "sports car" catagory
Sports cars are not all about track performance. You seem to be confusing that with race car.
Sure it's your opinion, but I wanted to know why you think one mag is better than another. I thought I made that clear.
I'm not saying you made it up. I just wanted to see which test it was. There have been other tests where the scoring wasn't anywhere near that close. And some tests where the "GM-hating, German-loving" C&D picked the Corvette. So...?
08-22-2013, 03:57 PM
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08-22-2013, 04:03 PM
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In any event, I found that 2005 test. The Corvette ranked a very close 2nd. But trailing by a much wider margin was the SLK (German with 184 total points) and Crossfire SRT (half-German since it's based on the previous SLK, with 148 points). So much for the love of all things German!
08-22-2013, 04:45 PM
#49
Don't fret over this guys; Motor Trend is no longer the benchmark publication they once were.
Over the past 7 years or so, they have been found to:
* favor a car just because it is cheaper than its compettitors. So even though the car that costs more is better, they give the cheap car the win just because its a lower MSRP.
* if it's not a Honda or Toyota (who both advertise heavily in the publication), or a German kar - it's downgraded.
* If its a new, its better, even when it isn't. If its a BMW or Honda, its automatically innovative and revolutionary.
* more and more of their writers are young second generation import drivers.
* a lot of testing is done without a "third wheel" for verification. And, if the car they like - does not perform to the factory listed times - they post the mfgrs specs for 0-60 and 1/4 mile (instead of the slower numbers they actually got with the car).
and last (but not least)
* MT chose the Honda Ridgeline as truck of the year.
Over the past 7 years or so, they have been found to:
* favor a car just because it is cheaper than its compettitors. So even though the car that costs more is better, they give the cheap car the win just because its a lower MSRP.
* if it's not a Honda or Toyota (who both advertise heavily in the publication), or a German kar - it's downgraded.
* If its a new, its better, even when it isn't. If its a BMW or Honda, its automatically innovative and revolutionary.
* more and more of their writers are young second generation import drivers.
* a lot of testing is done without a "third wheel" for verification. And, if the car they like - does not perform to the factory listed times - they post the mfgrs specs for 0-60 and 1/4 mile (instead of the slower numbers they actually got with the car).
and last (but not least)
* MT chose the Honda Ridgeline as truck of the year.
08-22-2013, 06:30 PM
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LMAO, forever BMW won everything. Why?? Because they made the best driving cars. Back then everyone thought all the Magazines were in bed with BMW, at least everyone that did not own one. So now that they do not win every time it is German Cars even though many German Cars are at the bottom, but the M3, Boxster, and 911 are consistently at the top. Maybe BMW and Porsche tell them we will line your pockets with advertising, but only if you put the Boxster, 911, and M3 at the top. Do not worry about our other model cars, we do not care where the rest of them rank.
LMAO
08-22-2013, 06:34 PM
#51
Safety Car
They sent them a POS. Seriously, how does a car company like SRT send a car to be tested with mis-matched (and worn out) tires...as far as stuff breaking, that's a head scratcher. No one is going to accuse Viper of being comfortable, but this test car was falling apart. Hopefully it was a pre-production car.
Jimmy
PS. After Ralph whined earlier in the year about Randy being afraid (at some level) of the Viper, based on this performance, it seems Randy had more to fear than just an UNSORTED car.
Jimmy
PS. After Ralph whined earlier in the year about Randy being afraid (at some level) of the Viper, based on this performance, it seems Randy had more to fear than just an UNSORTED car.
08-22-2013, 06:48 PM
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I have not read AutoWeek in many years. Maybe I should reconsider. They are forever sending me e-mails and mail with all sorts of offers. I appreciate the input from you on them.
08-22-2013, 06:52 PM
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I had to laugh at this response. What it really says is that Ralph is more likely to send a "ringer" than a rattle trap. I remember the days (yes, I'm that age) in the '60s when it was not out of the question for a manufacturer to send a muscle car to be tested that might have had....oh, let's say a 421 Pontiac tri-power instead of a 389 tri-power that the car supposedly had in it.
08-22-2013, 07:42 PM
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I had to laugh at this response. What it really says is that Ralph is more likely to send a "ringer" than a rattle trap. I remember the days (yes, I'm that age) in the '60s when it was not out of the question for a manufacturer to send a muscle car to be tested that might have had....oh, let's say a 421 Pontiac tri-power instead of a 389 tri-power that the car supposedly had in it.
08-22-2013, 07:43 PM
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08-22-2013, 08:18 PM
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Certainly got the Viper guys' attention.
08-22-2013, 08:20 PM
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So the questions begs then as I said, why would he send a rat? There were bragging rights back in the 60's too but in this era the old 99 rights and the 1 wrong will make the news every time. Parts flying off, loose seat bolts, roasted tires? Come on there isn't something wrong with this picture? Seems like someone has an agenda to me...MT.
So somehow MT is responsible for the parts flying off, loose seat bolts, roasted tires? And don't forget the the brake pedal issue. MT rigged that, too?
08-22-2013, 08:29 PM
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A company that has been proudly building this car for 3 years provides a reviewer with something this inferior? Please!
If they had a TA available as they said there was why wouldn't they have given them that, after all it is the fastest cat around Seca and Pobst loved it.