Hopefully GM has the same track focus for the Z06 and other models, IMO, just like it did for the C5 Z06 and C6 Z06.

https://drivetribe.com/p/lamborghini...borghini's

Francesco Scardaoni spoke with Car Advice during the launch of the new Huracan STO and said he thinks that a car's handling is now the most important performance benchmark, not acceleration or top speed.

"If you go back to 10 years ago, probably when we were asked the parameters to measure a car with we would say top speed, acceleration and [then] handling. Then top speed became a secondary measure, acceleration the first one."

Scardaoni goes on to explain why handling is arguably a more important factor than acceleration when measuring a car's performance and he isn't wrong.

"What is really now making the difference is the drivability of the car, the handling. Because when you have good acceleration but the car is heavy to steer, heavy to handle, you cannot have that pleasure of driving in a really fast way.

Huracan STO Info (lightweighting,suspension, and aero focus, powered by a naturally-aspirated 640hp motor):

https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/mo...an/huracan-sto

A super-sports car created with a singular purpose, the Huracán STO delivers all the feel and technology of a genuine race car in a road-legal model.
Lamborghini’s years-long motorsport know-how, intensified by a winning heritage, is concentrated in the new Huracán STO. Its extreme aerodynamics, track-honed handling dynamics, lightweight contents and the highest-performing V10 engine to date come together, ready to trigger all the emotions of the racetrack in your everyday life.

 

This will fall on deaf ears here outside of a few but I fully agree with him. I currently have a 2002 Z06 and a 2011 Z06/Z07. For street usage, the 400hp/C5Z is the more fun car. With a square setup and PSS tires, it handles great, has a good amount of HP to use anywhere. The C6Z with 500hp is actually just too much. You have manage the grip, get the tires upto temp and to do all that, you're going pretty fast already. However, on the track and it's the exact opposite. In the right conditions with grippy tarmac and good heat in the tires, the C6Z shines and delivers really *balanced* performance and it can do it lap after lap after lap. I've been fortunate enough to drive faster and higher HP cars on the street and track and my conclusions are always the same. When i think of a sports car, handling and car dynamics are the first thing that excite me.

 

Not disagreeing with him at all. But can Chevy get the C8 down to that sort of weight (C&D says 3350 curb weight) AND keep the price down? Not sure about that.

 

Yeah, so why bother trying at all, right? Getting it down to 3,500lbs or less is very realistic/not prohibitively expensive and would still have big benefits.

 

The current brag is about lap times. That's why the focus is handling. You can't brag about acceleration too much anymore, because some frat boy with his daddy's Tesla can smoke you from a light (who cares about the battery health?). Top speed fell out of favor as people realized "I can't go 230 mph anywhere". Handling and lap times will too fall out of favor as people realize that comes with tires that are barely street legal, has no benefit on the street, and really only works for a pro driver. I suspect the next brag will go back to top speed, because frankly the acceleration limit is more of a traction limit from tires than anything at this point.

I'm a big proponent of slow car fast is more fun. I'm a believer that my c6gs is too fast and capable to be fun on the street. That said, I don't see automakers going back to "fun" as a metric they design for and market to. Real enthusiasts that have seen this light have moved into the used market (90s and 00s cars) , leaving the new car market to be dominated by the sports car as a brag community. They want their cars to be a luxury office chair that they can brag about how fast it is to the young office assistant to pretend like they could bag her if they wanted to. Those guys want numbers and to not have to actually have skill or have to live with the "because racecar" stuff. They just want to go to cars and coffee and hire models to take photos with their cars.

 

Note: I said "3350lbs"... not "3500lbs".

C&D compares the STO to the Performante, saying the STO is 95 lighter than it.

Lambo got down to that weight by (from C&D):
"Besides ditching the front half of the drivetrain, other weight-saving measures include magnesium alloy wheels, a titanium roll cage (developed with Akrapovič), and a single-piece carbon-fiber clamshell front end inspired by the similar "cofango" of the Miura. Inside, the STO loses carpets and gains carbon-bodied sports seats, and the windshield is thinner and 20 percent lighter. The STO weighs 95 pounds less than the Performante, according to Lamborghini."

Now, obviously the C8 doesn't need to lose the AWD system, but magnesium alloy wheels, a titanium roll cage, a single peice carbon fiber front end.... those things ain't cheap, which is my point. And that is in addition to the weight savings of the Performante, which I am sure weren't cheap either.

Not to mention stripped out cars at this price point (and Z06's recent price point) don't exactly fly off the dealer lots.

I find it funny that Lambo says they don't care about top speed or acceleration... but on the STO's page what do you see right under the picture? Top speed and 0-100km/h.

 

I know. Which is why I said lowering the C8 by just 100lbs to 3,5000lbs is worth the effort. Just because they can't achieve 3,350 at a reasonable price point doesn't mean they shouldn't shoot for 3,500lbs was my point.

 

The Corvette engineering team made it known that the switch to mid engine wasn't just for handling but to help put more power to the ground, that they did all they could with a front engine layout. I think power will go up quite a bit for each new variant of the C8. Also the C7 Z06 Z07 stage 3 had more downforce and a lower top speed than the C6 Z06. So you could say they didn't care about top speed as much for the C7 generation and wanted better control/more downforce over top speed.

 

They also made the C7Z with an automatic, a lot more plush interior, and a targa top. Racers be damned. That car was pushed towards the guys who's wife wanted to drive the car.

 

I resemble this remark.
For a few months I overlapped owning a 2002 Z06 and 2010 ZR1. The Z06 I (finally) got ironed out with correct lowering height front and rear, new Bilstein sport shocks, alignment, and new supercar tires. It was a breeze and a pleasure to blaze the country roads at 100+ mph (until I got a ticket for something like 114 in a 55 or whatever it was, another story). I "knew" the ZR1 was much more advanced and should be better by all the objective measures, but the Z06 was terrific and had a more simple fun to drive feel.

 

Even amazingly exotic sports car manufacturers cant stand the c8 accelerates to 60 mph faster than their stunning and fantastic huracan.

We are speaking of tenths of a second at this point so its no big deal. Meanwhile if the lambo was quicker the numbers would matter.

there is a contingent of enthusiasts these days that are marveling at 1980s and 1990s radwood sports cars for their sound, the manual transmission and how they feel...giving up on the importance of acceleration, or track time etc..

different strokes for different folks and the upcoming tesla supercar ev will create blistering acceleration silently...and as an example the acceleration to 60 mph is under 2 seconds

i dont think gasoline cars can match that time to 60 mph...

instant tq for evs and all.

 

Bullshit. Stop leg humping the C8. it's a one dimensional, even if you somehow miraculously get it to hit the number (which you won't unless down hill with a tail wind), one trick pony. No Lamborghini or Ferrari owner is jealous of any C8. What a crock. Lol

 

Lamborghini's were born very heavy so it is rather known their track prowess was their Achilles heel. To now turn around and say that track is their focus is rather interesting. It means, taking content away and I'd like to see how they do it and whether they will try the GT play were they take away content and charge more for it. Also hard these days to make a point just with Nurburing times. The young customers I know with Lambos love the gadgetry....

I am still betting on Ferrari and McLaren take their lunch on this play but will see..

 

But but but the C8 goes just as fast to 60 mph!!!

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Sure does. What's funny is those cars 'rated' the same as the C8 0-60 seem to dust it.

 

They are doing ok-ish especially when they just race with other Lamborghini's...
But of course I thought the thread refers to production cars?

 

I still think Dodge has the right formula, brutal HP street car. Most people never take their car to the track and even fewer take it to a road course.

Most Corvette and exotic people magazine race more than anything, so they might like this, but for the wrong reasons.

 

The switch was not because of limits with the front engine layout in terms of performance. I claim that it was the issue with packaging. They had to redesign with the engine in the rear for the exclusive reason of packaging electric motors and batteries for the hybrid and electric versions being forced upon them.

 

IMHO this actually makes sense. I am actually more prone to believe this business compromise with the higher ups with associated funding was more compelling than the "we want a better 0-60".