New best ET with the Plaid tonight..
06-23-2023, 04:41 AM
#161
Le Mans Master
That's awesome, too bad that batteries are about 100 times less energy efficient than gasoline!
"Gasoline has about 100 times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery. Gasoline has an energy density of about 12.5 kWh per kg, while current batteries run about 0.7 kWh per kg."
"Gasoline has about 100 times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery. Gasoline has an energy density of about 12.5 kWh per kg, while current batteries run about 0.7 kWh per kg."
06-23-2023, 09:10 AM
#162
Race Director
I Care.. LI Blows.. especially when it gets damaged.. like say.. in a horrible wreck.
or trap you inside while it becomes a Car-Ba-Q
for additional viewing... wow.
or trap you inside while it becomes a Car-Ba-Q
for additional viewing... wow.
Last edited by Z06_BluByU; 06-23-2023 at 09:32 AM.
06-23-2023, 09:29 AM
#163
Le Mans Master
I Care.. LI Blows.. especially when it gets damaged.. like say.. in a horrible wreck.
https://youtu.be/qJ8BzvbeRXQ
https://youtu.be/72y6imzcHSQ
https://youtu.be/yRPW8zN_c0E
https://youtu.be/D3GDdZkN6fg
or trap you inside while it becomes a Car-Ba-Q
https://youtu.be/dQxm6n7SdvE
for additional viewing... wow.
https://youtu.be/qJ8BzvbeRXQ
https://youtu.be/72y6imzcHSQ
https://youtu.be/yRPW8zN_c0E
https://youtu.be/D3GDdZkN6fg
or trap you inside while it becomes a Car-Ba-Q
https://youtu.be/dQxm6n7SdvE
for additional viewing... wow.
06-23-2023, 10:40 AM
#165
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Indeed
https://shinerlawgroup.com/electric-...-and-lawsuits/
Since 2010, researchers who study vehicle fires found 200 fires in electric cars over the last 12 years. That research also studied the whole world and not just the United States. The U.S., however, had the most fires of that, 200: 52. The researchers also stated that in 20 years, the percentage of electric cars that experience fires might go up after two decades of wear and tear.
The number of fires has stayed constant since electric vehicles jumped from experimental status to a viable choice for people buying vehicles.
Just to add, many of those FEW fires were due to bad LG batteries that LG provided to Chevy and Hyundai. (Bolt and Kona Electric fires).
Kia used SK Innovation batteries at the same time and had no fires.
Tesla has made about 2.5 Million vehicles and there have been only 50 Tesla fires..
https://shinerlawgroup.com/electric-...-and-lawsuits/
How Common Are Electric Car Fires?
Electric car fires are exceedingly rare. There will be only three electric car fires per 1,000 vehicles over the vehicle’s lifetime. Fuel-powered vehicles will experience fires 35 times more frequently over their lifetimes.Since 2010, researchers who study vehicle fires found 200 fires in electric cars over the last 12 years. That research also studied the whole world and not just the United States. The U.S., however, had the most fires of that, 200: 52. The researchers also stated that in 20 years, the percentage of electric cars that experience fires might go up after two decades of wear and tear.
The number of fires has stayed constant since electric vehicles jumped from experimental status to a viable choice for people buying vehicles.
Kia used SK Innovation batteries at the same time and had no fires.
Tesla has made about 2.5 Million vehicles and there have been only 50 Tesla fires..
Last edited by GrandSportC3; 06-23-2023 at 10:59 AM.
06-23-2023, 12:11 PM
#166
Team Owner
That's a pretty good time however a 911 Turbo S lightweight does it in 9.9 secs, is actually a cool car, can go 500 miles on a tank of gas and doesn't need to get set up in order to achieve that time......oh and the resale value is a hell of a lot higher percentage wise, so there's that.
06-23-2023, 12:55 PM
#167
Le Mans Master
That's a pretty good time however a 911 Turbo S lightweight does it in 9.9 secs, is actually a cool car, can go 500 miles on a tank of gas and doesn't need to get set up in order to achieve that time......oh and the resale value is a hell of a lot higher percentage wise, so there's that.
06-23-2023, 12:59 PM
#168
Team Owner
06-23-2023, 01:05 PM
#169
Le Mans Master
Indeed
https://shinerlawgroup.com/electric-...-and-lawsuits/
Just to add, many of those FEW fires were due to bad LG batteries that LG provided to Chevy and Hyundai. (Bolt and Kona Electric fires).
Kia used SK Innovation batteries at the same time and had no fires.
Tesla has made about 2.5 Million vehicles and there have been only 50 Tesla fires..
https://shinerlawgroup.com/electric-...-and-lawsuits/
Just to add, many of those FEW fires were due to bad LG batteries that LG provided to Chevy and Hyundai. (Bolt and Kona Electric fires).
Kia used SK Innovation batteries at the same time and had no fires.
Tesla has made about 2.5 Million vehicles and there have been only 50 Tesla fires..
06-23-2023, 01:05 PM
#170
Le Mans Master
It's got 4 wheels, so it's kindof a bad thing any way you slice it, but whatever. All these cars trying to lay down 'Busa numbers, lol! Buy the 'Busa. "Look, it took out the A/C and radio! RACECAR!" It weighs like 3000 pounds and coddles the driver away from the experience, regardless.
06-23-2023, 01:07 PM
#171
Race Director
https://www.tesla-fire.com
Am i reading this correctly.. does Tesla have the highest insurance fire relative losses of anyone?
https://www.iihs.org/media/c93b98d8-...osses_1218.pdf
06-23-2023, 01:08 PM
#172
Le Mans Master
06-23-2023, 01:09 PM
#173
Team Owner
It's got 4 wheels, so it's kindof a bad thing any way you slice it, but whatever. All these cars trying to lay down 'Busa numbers, lol! Buy the 'Busa. "Look, it took out the A/C and radio! RACECAR!" It weighs like 3000 pounds and coddles the driver away from the experience, regardless.
06-23-2023, 01:21 PM
#174
Team Owner
Thread Starter
That's a pretty good time however a 911 Turbo S lightweight does it in 9.9 secs, is actually a cool car, can go 500 miles on a tank of gas and doesn't need to get set up in order to achieve that time......oh and the resale value is a hell of a lot higher percentage wise, so there's that.
06-23-2023, 01:29 PM
#175
Le Mans Master
06-23-2023, 01:32 PM
#176
Team Owner
Thread Starter
06-23-2023, 01:36 PM
#177
Team Owner
I = initial cost
R = resale value
C = true cost
I - R = C
C for the Porsche guaranteed would be higher than Tesla's.
06-23-2023, 02:13 PM
#178
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Yes, but cost is irrelevant, you get most of your money back when you go to sell, you couldn't do that with 2 Teslas so in that context it's cheaper than the Tesla.
I = initial cost
R = resale value
C = true cost
I - R = C
C for the Porsche guaranteed would be higher than Tesla's.
I = initial cost
R = resale value
C = true cost
I - R = C
C for the Porsche guaranteed would be higher than Tesla's.
Then, there is also maintenance. Your Porsche warranty is 4 years and 50000 miles which INCLUDES powertrain. So, not smart to keep a Turbo S out of warranty, especially if you race your car just like I do. Plaids have 150k miles and 8 years warranty on the expensive components. Also, resale depends on miles. If you use a Turbo S as daily driver and you drive a lot of miles, the resale does not look that good for high mileage Porsches.
5 year maintenance cost for a 911 (not Turbo S) is almost $9k
https://www.porschefremont.com/porsc...tenance-costs/
while you won't even spend $1k in 5 years on maintenance on a Plaid.
Then add cost of fueling.. I currently only drive around 20k miles per year..
A Turbo S will be a 15 mpg car.. 20000/15 = 1333 gallons.. National average gas price is $3.50.. $4666 per year for gas..
5 years of gas = 23333.
$9k for maintenance + 23k for gas = $32k cost in 5 years to fuel and maintain.
I pay 6.6 cents per kwh for charging (if I would actually pay for it.. I actually charge for free 9% of the time). That would be about $600 per year.
$2500 for 5 years and $100 for maintenance.. $2600 for 5 years to fuel and maintain.
Last edited by GrandSportC3; 06-23-2023 at 02:26 PM.
06-23-2023, 03:01 PM
#179
Team Owner
First of all, 97+% of people can't afford a Porsche Turbo S. Then you also have maintenance and you will need another car if you have more than 2 people in your household.
Then, there is also maintenance. Your Porsche warranty is 4 years and 50000 miles which INCLUDES powertrain. So, not smart to keep a Turbo S out of warranty, especially if you race your car just like I do. Plaids have 150k miles and 8 years warranty on the expensive components. Also, resale depends on miles. If you use a Turbo S as daily driver and you drive a lot of miles, the resale does not look that good for high mileage Porsches.
5 year maintenance cost for a 911 (not Turbo S) is almost $9k
https://www.porschefremont.com/porsc...tenance-costs/
while you won't even spend $1k in 5 years on maintenance on a Plaid.
Then add cost of fueling.. I currently only drive around 20k miles per year..
A Turbo S will be a 15 mpg car.. 20000/15 = 1333 gallons.. National average gas price is $3.50.. $4666 per year for gas..
5 years of gas = 23333.
$9k for maintenance + 23k for gas = $32k cost in 5 years to fuel and maintain.
I pay 6.6 cents per kwh for charging (if I would actually pay for it.. I actually charge for free 9% of the time). That would be about $600 per year.
$2500 for 5 years and $100 for maintenance.. $2600 for 5 years to fuel and maintain.
Then, there is also maintenance. Your Porsche warranty is 4 years and 50000 miles which INCLUDES powertrain. So, not smart to keep a Turbo S out of warranty, especially if you race your car just like I do. Plaids have 150k miles and 8 years warranty on the expensive components. Also, resale depends on miles. If you use a Turbo S as daily driver and you drive a lot of miles, the resale does not look that good for high mileage Porsches.
5 year maintenance cost for a 911 (not Turbo S) is almost $9k
https://www.porschefremont.com/porsc...tenance-costs/
while you won't even spend $1k in 5 years on maintenance on a Plaid.
Then add cost of fueling.. I currently only drive around 20k miles per year..
A Turbo S will be a 15 mpg car.. 20000/15 = 1333 gallons.. National average gas price is $3.50.. $4666 per year for gas..
5 years of gas = 23333.
$9k for maintenance + 23k for gas = $32k cost in 5 years to fuel and maintain.
I pay 6.6 cents per kwh for charging (if I would actually pay for it.. I actually charge for free 9% of the time). That would be about $600 per year.
$2500 for 5 years and $100 for maintenance.. $2600 for 5 years to fuel and maintain.
All of that is good but your Model X in 5 years will be worth next to nothing, a Porsche 911 Turbos S lightweight will be worth close to what you paid for, doubt me, look up any special Porsche from 2017.
A 2017 Model X P100D was about $140,000 new, now you can get them for about 50k, so you lose 90k in 5 years, now let's look at 911 Turbo S, a new one was $190k and now they are fetching $150k, losing $40k....hmmmm, cost of ownership over 5 years sure as hell isn't near 50k so there's that.
06-23-2023, 03:07 PM
#180
Team Owner
Thread Starter
And what % of people can afford a Model X or whatever, maybe not as high but just as meaningful.
All of that is good but your Model X in 5 years will be worth next to nothing, a Porsche 911 Turbos S lightweight will be worth close to what you paid for, doubt me, look up any special Porsche from 2017.
A 2017 Model X P100D was about $140,000 new, now you can get them for about 50k, so you lose 90k in 5 years, now let's look at 911 Turbo S, a new one was $190k and now they are fetching $150k, losing $40k....hmmmm, cost of ownership over 5 years sure as hell isn't near 50k so there's that.
All of that is good but your Model X in 5 years will be worth next to nothing, a Porsche 911 Turbos S lightweight will be worth close to what you paid for, doubt me, look up any special Porsche from 2017.
A 2017 Model X P100D was about $140,000 new, now you can get them for about 50k, so you lose 90k in 5 years, now let's look at 911 Turbo S, a new one was $190k and now they are fetching $150k, losing $40k....hmmmm, cost of ownership over 5 years sure as hell isn't near 50k so there's that.
I'd say that the top 5% earners can comfortably afford a Plaid.. Maybe the top 2 - 3% can afford a new Turbo S.
A 100k mile Turbo S will not sell for $150k.. trust me.. The ones that sell for that are those that are weekend cars with low mileage, not daily drivers.