Hi all,

Our Grand Cherokee L Limited lease is up and we're looking for a new to us CPO.

Have narrowed our search down to a CPO low mile Navigator, Escalade, Aviator, or Grand Cherokee L Overland/Summit in the 2021 to 2023 range.

The Navigator is at the top of our list after driving all, looking at reviews, and price for what you get.

The Escalade is nice but much more $ than an equally equipped, age, and mile Navigator. The Lincoln also has a 100k mile B2B CPO warranty.

The Aviator is our next choice and about 10k less, but the Nav is a big step up for the extra price.

The Jeep is a good option since we loved our current one, and its much lower $ than the other options. The overland and summit trim have comparable luxury and tech, I just didn't love the 3.6 NA engine in our current one. But 10k less than an Aviator and 20k less than a Nav is appealing.

Any thoughts from those that have had one of these? Again, mainly leaning 2022 Navigator CPO low mile.

 

We went through a lot of this, just on the Ford side.

We debated between explorer and expedition. In the end, the extra space of Expedition was worth it for us. As it turns out, the Explorer/Aviator has some pretty well documented quality issues. I would have a hard time buying one of them that wasnt the new 2025 model, and even then.

Navigator has a few common issues that will crop up. The 3.5 Ecoboost has came.phasers that get noisy - ours was fixed under warranty and never had any issues after. There are two coolant lines that have plastic Y connectors in them that will leak. The parts are like $150 and it's easy to DIY. The transmission had some issues with the CDF drum whatever that is, causing hard shifts. Ours was rebuilt and is still a little jerky shifting in middle gears. That work should be under warranty still, plus we have lifetime powertrain warranty on it, so we will likely bring it back in for that.

My wife often makes comments about how much she likes the Aviators when she sees them. We have two young kids though, so the extra size (and to be honest - the fact that it is an F150 underneath) is a big benefit for us.

We looked at GC L. At the time, there was no High Altitude trim that I wanted. Had there been, we would have probably picked that with a 5.7 Hemi.

Escalade would be nice, but they've had issues with the 6.2L, and finding the diesels is hard AF. Also, they're way more money as you noticed.

My wife always talks about how much she likes the Wagoneers. That was another one on our list, but they were brand new and selling for like 15-25k over MSRP at the time so that was a hard no. We liked it a lot outside of that. You might be able to get a fire sale price on one now, or a nice CPO one with the 392.

 

A lot of Ford and Lincoln products are manufactured in China so I would stay far away. Not a fan of Ford products and I have owned their vehicles twice already.

 

The only Ford's made in China are the Lincoln Corsair and maybe whatever little subcompact **** they have. Buick has more Chineseade cars now sadly.

 

As a follow up,, the cupholders in our expedition fell apart (looks to be an easy fix), and the transmission clunks were deemed by Ford as "normal". Supposedly you can solve it yourself by turning adaptive off on forscan. Sport mode might help too. Service manager says all the GM/Ford 10 speeds don't, just a bad design

 

Stay away from any Ford products with a Ecoboost.The newer they are the worse they are transmission and timing problems Buy any thing in the Toyota line 2023 or older

 

My 2015 F-150 3.5 ecoboost has been completely trouble free thus far but it only has 53k miles on it. I do the maintenance.

They fixed the CDF drum issue in the 10 speed autos for anything manufactured after beginning of 2023.

 

Our 19 Expy has just under 70k on it. After they fixed the Cam phasers with the new part, the motor has been flawless. Make sure you do your spark plugs by 60k miles (BadaaV I'd do them ASAP with yours being 10 years old). I did mine at 65k and they were getting corroded in place. Ingot them out without issue, but honestly... I might consider them a 50k mile service item.

They put the new CDF drum in our rebuild of the transmission. It's... Well when it shifts good it shifts good. They reset the adaptive system last week and it's been shifting good so far. I may go in and turn the adaptive transmission stuff off in forscan, or at least I can reset it at home with that if it acts up again. Our clunks were in 5th, which is a CDF gear, so I think even the newest CDF is... Meh.

That said, the navigator is tuned a little different. It calls for premium and is tuned to feel more peppy than the expedition, so people think they're getting a better motor and not just the same motor times for 91 vs 87. They have a better sounding exhaust too. So the trans may be programmed to be a little sportier, which would likely help, ours never shifted bad outside of light throttle situations.

In other fine news, our cupholde assembly fell apart. Ford designed it to snap together and be h ld together with (**** you not) rubber bands. At least it's a cheap enough part of incant redo it. Lots of owners say they plastic welded the pieces together to stiffen it up and keep it from happening again.

Wife really likes the new QX90 and Wagoneers. I would give either of those a strong consideration next time around. Toyota has had nothing but problems with its new turbo V6 blowing up, so I'd skip sequoia or LX600 for now. Maybe less so in a couple years.
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I did the plugs at 32k miles when I noticed an ever so longer than normal crank time on cold start.

I'll be doing a pan drop, filter and fluid this summer.

My truck has run a 5 Star tune since it was about a month old. I couldn't stand the OEM "hurry up and shift into the highest gear possible, as soon as possible" transmission programming. I've been completely satisfied with the 5 Star tunes.