Flex agent HELP!
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Flex agent HELP!
Note: The following products do not require DX814 for use over flexible substrates:
Deltron® (DBU), Deltron® 2000 (DBC) or any other basecoat products.
AS from the PDF file for PPG DX814.
This is EXACTY the same BS that Dupont handed me. It wound up costing me a HOOOOOOGE amount of work to redo a show bumper once. The base coat didn't flex and you could see the cracks straight thru the clear coat.
They told me two different times on the phone it would be fine and work.
So.... I ask has anyone really seen the end result of NOT flexing the base coat of DBC?? Cause I dont want the same nightmare to come see me twice.
The PDF also refers to K38 RTS (ready to spray)???? Do they mean mix the K201 in first THEN ad The flex?
Thanks for the help.
Deltron® (DBU), Deltron® 2000 (DBC) or any other basecoat products.
AS from the PDF file for PPG DX814.
This is EXACTY the same BS that Dupont handed me. It wound up costing me a HOOOOOOGE amount of work to redo a show bumper once. The base coat didn't flex and you could see the cracks straight thru the clear coat.
They told me two different times on the phone it would be fine and work.
So.... I ask has anyone really seen the end result of NOT flexing the base coat of DBC?? Cause I dont want the same nightmare to come see me twice.
The PDF also refers to K38 RTS (ready to spray)???? Do they mean mix the K201 in first THEN ad The flex?
Thanks for the help.
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Note: The following products do not require DX814 for use over flexible substrates:
Deltron® (DBU), Deltron® 2000 (DBC) or any other basecoat products.
AS from the PDF file for PPG DX814.
This is EXACTY the same BS that Dupont handed me. It wound up costing me a HOOOOOOGE amount of work to redo a show bumper once. The base coat didn't flex and you could see the cracks straight thru the clear coat.
They told me two different times on the phone it would be fine and work.
So.... I ask has anyone really seen the end result of NOT flexing the base coat of DBC?? Cause I dont want the same nightmare to come see me twice.
The PDF also refers to K38 RTS (ready to spray)???? Do they mean mix the K201 in first THEN ad The flex?
Thanks for the help.
Deltron® (DBU), Deltron® 2000 (DBC) or any other basecoat products.
AS from the PDF file for PPG DX814.
This is EXACTY the same BS that Dupont handed me. It wound up costing me a HOOOOOOGE amount of work to redo a show bumper once. The base coat didn't flex and you could see the cracks straight thru the clear coat.
They told me two different times on the phone it would be fine and work.
So.... I ask has anyone really seen the end result of NOT flexing the base coat of DBC?? Cause I dont want the same nightmare to come see me twice.
The PDF also refers to K38 RTS (ready to spray)???? Do they mean mix the K201 in first THEN ad The flex?
Thanks for the help.
Yes, rts means mix the paint as directed, then add the flex agent.
I prefer BullDog, Click here for BullDog info my PPG dealer told me about it, it is the only one he has any faith in.
If painting a new urethane bumper and it has no oem primer, it needs to be baked at 140 f for one to two hours before painting.
If you dont have access to an oven, then set it in the summer sun and keep rotating it so the sun bakes on all sides for a day.
The plastic needs to off gas, or no matter what you use it won't stick worth a hoot.
then it needs to be properly washed, I use SEM Soap Click here for SEM soap info
Then spray it with the adhesion promoter, then use it as the flex agent in the base coats,
I find clears dont generally need a flex agent.
Last edited by OzzyC4; Jun 26, 2008 at 10:06 PM.
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you can flex the base? This was my main complaint about the base being so brittle.
******the primer needs to be flexed as well as the clear.******* From MY experience everything was cool except the base.
When doing a show car or quality job. I never go outside the paint system. That effects the warranty. If the paint company has poor bonding AND IS BRITTLE....then don't use it.
DISCLAIMER... THIS MY OPINION AND IS ONLY AN OPINION. IT DOES NOT REFLECT THE COMPANY POLICY OR POLICIES. AND OR THIS FORUM.
******the primer needs to be flexed as well as the clear.******* From MY experience everything was cool except the base.
When doing a show car or quality job. I never go outside the paint system. That effects the warranty. If the paint company has poor bonding AND IS BRITTLE....then don't use it.
DISCLAIMER... THIS MY OPINION AND IS ONLY AN OPINION. IT DOES NOT REFLECT THE COMPANY POLICY OR POLICIES. AND OR THIS FORUM.
Last edited by derek 91 vette; Jun 27, 2008 at 02:08 PM.
