Modern Paint Formulas for Old Codes
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Modern Paint Formulas for Old Codes
BTW, is there a source to convert the old lacquer formula to a 2 stage BC/CC? I found formula codes on this link.
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcod...ette1972WA4149
I have access to a Sherwin Williams paint system (first choice as lowest cost for me) and the code does not convert to a modern formula. It has an 'L" in the code so likely the original lacquer code. Years ago I used the DuPont Color Library. They converted old lacquer codes to modern BC/CC formulas. I can also take off the fuel door and take to any jobber, but was thinking if they could start with a converted modern formula, mix first, and tint from there that would be best for a match.
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcod...ette1972WA4149
I have access to a Sherwin Williams paint system (first choice as lowest cost for me) and the code does not convert to a modern formula. It has an 'L" in the code so likely the original lacquer code. Years ago I used the DuPont Color Library. They converted old lacquer codes to modern BC/CC formulas. I can also take off the fuel door and take to any jobber, but was thinking if they could start with a converted modern formula, mix first, and tint from there that would be best for a match.
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Are you just assuming that "L" means lacquer? Did you call your rep at S/W and ask him that question? My S/W people here in Indy are very knowledgeable and can answer ANY question you have about their product lines. That would be where I would go for the answer to that question. 
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Yes, the Sherwin Williams store manager said it was a lacquer code. Beyond that, he was clueless, and hasn't returned my call when he "would find out more", 2 days now. The old field rep is gone and waiting on a call back from the new one. (2 days also). My guess is S-W stores are independently owned explaining why you get good service.
May try my local Finishmaster jobber. I've worked with them in the past with good results.
Thanks for your suggestions.
May try my local Finishmaster jobber. I've worked with them in the past with good results.
Thanks for your suggestions.
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Gotcha! And I just learned something new myself about the SW codes...so for that I say thank you! Sounds like you have a direction to go that may actually net you the end result you're going for. I have had had good luck with Finishmaster as well.
Best of luck!
Best of luck!
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I have found that in the paint system I use that many of the old colors have been converted so I can shoot BC/CC. For those that have not...I can normally find a color of a new car in my color chips that is so darn close it will pass or take minimal tinting to get it to the color where no one would know the difference.
Keep in mind that every color has a the 'standard' that the manufacturer wanted it to be painted. But there is no way in heck that when the color is being shot at different locations...and on different days that the color is PERFECT as the standard that was approved. THUS...we have what we call 'variants'. This is NOT my opinion...but a FACT.
Reason I know this to be true because my color decks have actual sprayed out color chips of the actual color and ALL of the variants that meet the criteria to become a paint variant chip.
DUB
Keep in mind that every color has a the 'standard' that the manufacturer wanted it to be painted. But there is no way in heck that when the color is being shot at different locations...and on different days that the color is PERFECT as the standard that was approved. THUS...we have what we call 'variants'. This is NOT my opinion...but a FACT.
Reason I know this to be true because my color decks have actual sprayed out color chips of the actual color and ALL of the variants that meet the criteria to become a paint variant chip.
DUB
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DUB, thanks for the words of experience.
I went ahead last week and mixed a couple of ounces starting with a color chip formula from a Prospector deck system. Came out close enough for touch up but my Ontario Orange color is Firemist and looks slightly iridescent. Finishmaster has a formula for Xalta waterborne and Nason solvent. Going to check that out. Still waiting to hear back from S-W
Another question is what is your opinion of the color matching cameras?
I went ahead last week and mixed a couple of ounces starting with a color chip formula from a Prospector deck system. Came out close enough for touch up but my Ontario Orange color is Firemist and looks slightly iridescent. Finishmaster has a formula for Xalta waterborne and Nason solvent. Going to check that out. Still waiting to hear back from S-W
Another question is what is your opinion of the color matching cameras?
