What 60' times??
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What 60' times??
Ok...some of you guys Aqua and Al responded to my track performance in the tech section but I thought I would post over here and get some realistic expectations.
I did Famosa last november...new tires/no H/C..12.61@110.87...cold/great track. Had 326RWHP and 341RWTQ.
Now I have 412RWHP and 390RWTQ. I ran a high elvation track(LACR) with poor prep and actually ran slower 12.82@110.85. My sig has the corrected numbers per LACR website. My Khumos could not hook up with my new power as the tread was VERY light. I put about 1/4 inch of rubber splat all over the rear fender and mufflers....did 15 runs! My best 60' was 2.089. At famosa it was 1.9x.
So my question is: what is the best 60' I can expect to get with 295x35x18 Khumo Mx tires with good tread left. And with this good 60' what should I expect to see ..... can I break into the 11.9x? I have A4/3.42/Stock TC.
Thanks,
DH
I did Famosa last november...new tires/no H/C..12.61@110.87...cold/great track. Had 326RWHP and 341RWTQ.
Now I have 412RWHP and 390RWTQ. I ran a high elvation track(LACR) with poor prep and actually ran slower 12.82@110.85. My sig has the corrected numbers per LACR website. My Khumos could not hook up with my new power as the tread was VERY light. I put about 1/4 inch of rubber splat all over the rear fender and mufflers....did 15 runs! My best 60' was 2.089. At famosa it was 1.9x.
So my question is: what is the best 60' I can expect to get with 295x35x18 Khumo Mx tires with good tread left. And with this good 60' what should I expect to see ..... can I break into the 11.9x? I have A4/3.42/Stock TC.
Thanks,
DH
Last edited by Dirty Howie; Jun 2, 2005 at 01:11 AM.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
So my question is: what is the best 60' I can expect to get with 295x35x18 Khumo Mx tires with good tread left. And with this good 60' what should I expect to see ..... can I break into the 11.9x? I have A4/3.42/Stock TC.
Thanks,
DH
Thanks,
DH
With A4s it's not just about how much RWHP you have. Your setup (T/C, gearing & tires) are just as important. With 412 RWHP you certainly have the HP to run the 11s with the proper T/C & gearing setup. But right now your car is just a 12 sec. car that will run low 12s consistently under ordinary conditions with your current setup. On a perfect day with just the right weather conditions you might get lucky and see an 11.9. But in reality you don't have an 11 sec. car currently.
However with a good T/C (SS3600) & DRs your car should be able to run high to mid 11s consistently with an occasional low 11 under great conditions.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
can I break into the 11.9x? I have A4/3.42/Stock TC.
Thanks,
DH
Thanks,
DH
Your best best is a bigger converter and drag tires (radials or slicks) are a must whatever you do. Without a bigger converter, you're going to need a lot more hp to break into the 11s. That stock converter is really hobbling you now.
As far as your 60' times are concerned, 1.90s are all you can hope for on street tires and, again, you're going to have to do better than that to ever see the 11s.
Good luck!
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Thanks for the BRUTAL responses guys.
I want to have an all pupose car. Daily driver, open track, drag, and canyon carving.
I also am not in a position to bring extra set of wheels to the track.
I like the 3.42 gears. I would consider a T/C in the future (after I actually drive one) if it didn't negatively affect my other driving modes.
But it seems that I have significant traction problems now. So seems that a T/C would be usless without tires to match. There isn't any sticky street tire I can use that would help?
Thanks for the help
DH
I want to have an all pupose car. Daily driver, open track, drag, and canyon carving.
I also am not in a position to bring extra set of wheels to the track.
I like the 3.42 gears. I would consider a T/C in the future (after I actually drive one) if it didn't negatively affect my other driving modes.
But it seems that I have significant traction problems now. So seems that a T/C would be usless without tires to match. There isn't any sticky street tire I can use that would help?
Thanks for the help
DH
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
Thanks for the BRUTAL responses guys.
I want to have an all pupose car. Daily driver, open track, drag, and canyon carving.
I also am not in a position to bring extra set of wheels to the track.
You can put the DRs on at home and drive to the track with them already on your car. In fact some guys use DRs for their everyday tires.
I like the 3.42 gears. I would consider a T/C in the future (after I actually drive one) if it didn't negatively affect my other driving modes.
A mild T/C won't hurt your normal driving.
But it seems that I have significant traction problems now. So seems that a T/C would be usless without tires to match. There isn't any sticky street tire I can use that would help?
I am afraid not, some guys use DRs everyday on the street.
Thanks for the help
DH
I want to have an all pupose car. Daily driver, open track, drag, and canyon carving.
I also am not in a position to bring extra set of wheels to the track.
You can put the DRs on at home and drive to the track with them already on your car. In fact some guys use DRs for their everyday tires.
I like the 3.42 gears. I would consider a T/C in the future (after I actually drive one) if it didn't negatively affect my other driving modes.
A mild T/C won't hurt your normal driving.
But it seems that I have significant traction problems now. So seems that a T/C would be usless without tires to match. There isn't any sticky street tire I can use that would help?
I am afraid not, some guys use DRs everyday on the street.
Thanks for the help
DH
Last edited by Mitch C; Jun 2, 2005 at 07:03 PM.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
Thanks for the BRUTAL responses guys.
I want to have an all pupose car. Daily driver, open track, drag, and canyon carving.
I also am not in a position to bring extra set of wheels to the track.
I like the 3.42 gears. I would consider a T/C in the future (after I actually drive one) if it didn't negatively affect my other driving modes.
But it seems that I have significant traction problems now. So seems that a T/C would be usless without tires to match. There isn't any sticky street tire I can use that would help?
Thanks for the help
DH
I want to have an all pupose car. Daily driver, open track, drag, and canyon carving.
I also am not in a position to bring extra set of wheels to the track.
I like the 3.42 gears. I would consider a T/C in the future (after I actually drive one) if it didn't negatively affect my other driving modes.
But it seems that I have significant traction problems now. So seems that a T/C would be usless without tires to match. There isn't any sticky street tire I can use that would help?
Thanks for the help
DH
How far away is the track? Is driving to the track on drag radials a possible option for you?
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It's tough enough to hook on stock tires w/ a stock car. Add in your higher hp to the equation & it's an uphill battle to say the least. I used to drive on my DR's to the track. Now I put my ET streets in the car & drive to the track & change there. I drove on them a few times, but I don't mind changing them there.
Why can't you bring the tires to the track?
Ron
Why can't you bring the tires to the track?
Ron
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
At least 90 minutes.......
DH
DH
My local track is a little over an hour away. 50 miles in distance. Just me, as I am cautious, but 100 miles/ 2 hrs round trip is the high end of what I would want to run on the street with my drag radials. I would be nervous with a 3 hr round trip on drag radials. But thats just me as I have very little experience using drag radials on the street.
Just a personal comfort level. Not just due to distance, and wear on the tires, but also due to possible changes in weather, ie rain, before I could cover the distance.
I have seen a few people run Nitto drag radials as their every day tire. They don't last long in that capacity of course and driving under wet conditions is risky. Then there is the possibility of a flat.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Ron
It's tough enough to hook on stock tires w/ a stock car. Add in your higher hp to the equation & it's an uphill battle to say the least. I used to drive on my DR's to the track. Now I put my ET streets in the car & drive to the track & change there. I drove on them a few times, but I don't mind changing them there.
Why can't you bring the tires to the track?
Ron
Why can't you bring the tires to the track?
Ron
Where do you have room in your vette for spare wheels/tires????
How did you get such low (1.7) 60' with street tires?? I was told in the performance forum that the best I could hope for was 1.9 (but maybe they said that due to A4)
DH
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Originally Posted by EB20003
Thats a haul. I'm guessing about 70-75 miles taking into account any stop and go traffic or speed traps along the way?
My local track is a little over an hour away. 50 miles in distance. Just me, as I am cautious, but 100 miles/ 2 hrs round trip is the high end of what I would want to run on the street with my drag radials. I would be nervous with a 3 hr round trip on drag radials. But thats just me as I have very little experience using drag radials on the street.
Just a personal comfort level. Not just due to distance, and wear on the tires, but also due to possible changes in weather, ie rain, before I could cover the distance.
I have seen a few people run Nitto drag radials as their every day tire. They don't last long in that capacity of course and driving under wet conditions is risky. Then there is the possibility of a flat.
My local track is a little over an hour away. 50 miles in distance. Just me, as I am cautious, but 100 miles/ 2 hrs round trip is the high end of what I would want to run on the street with my drag radials. I would be nervous with a 3 hr round trip on drag radials. But thats just me as I have very little experience using drag radials on the street.
Just a personal comfort level. Not just due to distance, and wear on the tires, but also due to possible changes in weather, ie rain, before I could cover the distance.
I have seen a few people run Nitto drag radials as their every day tire. They don't last long in that capacity of course and driving under wet conditions is risky. Then there is the possibility of a flat.
EB
You are right...I don't think its an option.
DH
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
Ron
Where do you have room in your vette for spare wheels/tires????
DH
Where do you have room in your vette for spare wheels/tires????
DH
BTW I have also driven 150 miles round trip to the track on DRs and ET Streets without any problems.
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Brothers I disagree 
I saw an A4 with less HP, on st tires run 11s. Cajun was hauling ***, and when he put CCW and DRs I think he ran 11.4 NA. I am not an A4 guy so I may be way off with the stall. Damn I think he changed to a bigger stall too to run 11s. All I know is I am amazed how quick A4s are. You can do it (water boy line 
). Go for some DRs and they will help a ton. I do not drive well, and I could get 1.8s on streets on an OEM clutch, gears ect (M12). Hell see Dr Rons short times? Well he does not count (sorry Ron) as he is just that great a driver he spoils the bell curve!
I have drove DR to the track (BFGs and MT ET St radials) with no issues. I have been lazy and not changed rims for a few days and put some miles on them. They do handle way dif, and are very squirly and unsettled on top. Turns, they move a ton. The hard part is they are so sticky they pick up stuff real easy, so you have to be careful. Get some used 17 X 9.5 and some DRs and you will be in the 11s with a good burn out, 12-15 psi, and get the launch down. I have faith in you A4 guys any recomendations??? Help this brother out?
Dave
I saw an A4 with less HP, on st tires run 11s. Cajun was hauling ***, and when he put CCW and DRs I think he ran 11.4 NA. I am not an A4 guy so I may be way off with the stall. Damn I think he changed to a bigger stall too to run 11s. All I know is I am amazed how quick A4s are. You can do it (water boy line ). Go for some DRs and they will help a ton. I do not drive well, and I could get 1.8s on streets on an OEM clutch, gears ect (M12). Hell see Dr Rons short times? Well he does not count (sorry Ron) as he is just that great a driver he spoils the bell curve!I have drove DR to the track (BFGs and MT ET St radials) with no issues. I have been lazy and not changed rims for a few days and put some miles on them. They do handle way dif, and are very squirly and unsettled on top. Turns, they move a ton. The hard part is they are so sticky they pick up stuff real easy, so you have to be careful. Get some used 17 X 9.5 and some DRs and you will be in the 11s with a good burn out, 12-15 psi, and get the launch down. I have faith in you
A4 guys any recomendations??? Help this brother out? Dave
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Originally Posted by chiefDave
Brothers I disagree I saw an A4 with less HP, on st tires run 11s. Cajun was hauling ***, and when he put CCW and DRs I think he ran 11.4 NA. I am not an A4 guy so I may be way off with the stall. Damn I think he changed to a bigger stall too to run 11s. All I know is I am amazed how quick A4s are. You can do it (water boy line ). Go for some DRs and they will help a ton. I do not drive well, and I could get 1.8s on streets on an OEM clutch, gears ect (M12). Hell see Dr Rons short times? Well he does not count (sorry Ron) as he is just that great a driver he spoils the bell curve!
Dave
I saw an A4 with less HP, on st tires run 11s. Cajun was hauling ***, and when he put CCW and DRs I think he ran 11.4 NA. I am not an A4 guy so I may be way off with the stall. Damn I think he changed to a bigger stall too to run 11s. All I know is I am amazed how quick A4s are. You can do it (water boy line ). Go for some DRs and they will help a ton. I do not drive well, and I could get 1.8s on streets on an OEM clutch, gears ect (M12). Hell see Dr Rons short times? Well he does not count (sorry Ron) as he is just that great a driver he spoils the bell curve! Dave
We are telling him he needs a proper high stall T/C to replace his stock T/C and DRs or ET streets to get into the 11s.
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Originally Posted by chiefDave
Brothers I disagree I saw an A4 with less HP, on st tires run 11s. Cajun was hauling ***, and when he put CCW and DRs I think he ran 11.4 NA. I am not an A4 guy so I may be way off with the stall. Damn I think he changed to a bigger stall too to run 11s. Dave
I saw an A4 with less HP, on st tires run 11s. Cajun was hauling ***, and when he put CCW and DRs I think he ran 11.4 NA. I am not an A4 guy so I may be way off with the stall. Damn I think he changed to a bigger stall too to run 11s. Dave
DRs and a bigger stall is what's going to do the trick.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
Thanks for the BRUTAL responses guys.
I want to have an all pupose car. Daily driver, open track, drag, and canyon carving.
I also am not in a position to bring extra set of wheels to the track.
I like the 3.42 gears. I would consider a T/C in the future (after I actually drive one) if it didn't negatively affect my other driving modes.
But it seems that I have significant traction problems now. So seems that a T/C would be usless without tires to match. There isn't any sticky street tire I can use that would help?
Thanks for the help
DH
I want to have an all pupose car. Daily driver, open track, drag, and canyon carving.
I also am not in a position to bring extra set of wheels to the track.
I like the 3.42 gears. I would consider a T/C in the future (after I actually drive one) if it didn't negatively affect my other driving modes.
But it seems that I have significant traction problems now. So seems that a T/C would be usless without tires to match. There isn't any sticky street tire I can use that would help?
Thanks for the help
DH
The easiest road to the 11s for you, as already mentioned, is a bigger converter and some kind of drag tires.
FWIW, I have Nitto DRs on the back of my 'Vette all the time. Previous to this I went through two sets on the back of my 1999 Camaro SS. They are fine on the street and, though I'd avoid wet roads if at all possible, I have gotten caught in downpours with them. As long as you drive with due caution, they'll get you home.
Good luck!
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Get the Nitto 555r DR...
Get the Nitto 555r DR tire...you'll be glad you did. They're rated at 15,000 miles and perform well as a street tire, with traction best on dry surfaces, but as someone else pointed out above, you'll reach your destination just fine in the rain, as long as you are careful and mindful of the traction loss that occurs in those conditions and adjust your speed and turns accordingly.
I have them and I think they're great! I never take them off, unless I'm going on a long road trip, at which time I change back to the run-flats.
You'll need the TC too, as mentioned above. Get a 2800-3200 stall and you'll hardly notice much difference in the feel, but you will move ahead at the track!
I have them and I think they're great! I never take them off, unless I'm going on a long road trip, at which time I change back to the run-flats.
You'll need the TC too, as mentioned above. Get a 2800-3200 stall and you'll hardly notice much difference in the feel, but you will move ahead at the track!
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Get Some Nitto 555R's. I drove nearly year round with them on all 4 corners of a 2 Talons, 9 months of the year on the rear of a Lightning, and soon to be daily on the Vette. Vette has Extreme Street Nitto now. All cars running 12's or better.
What's the big deal? Unless you do road race style racing on the way to work, they should do fine. The DR's on a Vette are still a better street combo than just about any stock config on other cars.
What's the big deal? Unless you do road race style racing on the way to work, they should do fine. The DR's on a Vette are still a better street combo than just about any stock config on other cars.