I have a 03. Z06, which one of these
will give me more power? Predator or hyper tech

 

They both suck. Spend the same amount of money that you would on one of those "programmers" on a real dyno-tune at a reputable shop.

 

DITTO!

 

Sorry about the lack of knowledge that you were given as an answer.

Diablosport, would be your best choice. Yes, there is NOTHING LIKE A CUSTOM TUNE,.. BUT,...if your:

1)unable to get to a dyno, for whatever reason.
2)Can't afford the price of custom tunes.
3)Want a TRUE diagnostic tool, that you can scan, and clear codes for cars from present, all the way back to 1996.
4)It's a true data logger. You can record your trip to the store, or you can record your trip around the road course. Whatever.
5)you can have up to 5 custom tunes. Meaning, if you live near a CMR dealer(diablosport software, chipmaster revolution), you can have 5 different custom tunes for your car.
6)It really does work, it makjes power. Simple as that.
7) Who are they? They have GM engineers that work for them.

Believe me when I tell you,...these guys rock. I have dealt with them on NUMEROUS occasions,...and I gotta tell you, it's a stand up TOOL and company.

The predator, is what you want.

 

How do you figure either suck? Whats the cost of a predator, whats the cost of a custom tune? Custom tune, and dyno time, is simply not for everyone. Some people, want only a tune. Thats it. The predator is that,...plus, it CAN grow with the vehicle, should the owner decide to mod it.

Besides that....when you have a problem with the car,..maybe a DTC appears,... maybe you wanted to ADD more parts,... what do you do? Do you PAY your tuner to retune the car for the NEW parts added, or to clear your code? DOes your tuner live locally? Will he fly out to diag your car when you have an issue?

I have a predator in my car, as well as every car we have every built. They ALL, have CMR custom tunes, that are STORED, and uploaded through the predator.

How about if you have a custom tune, and go to a dealership for a warranty item,... lets say they REFLASH your PCM for a fuel gage problem(example)..... say goodbye to your custom tune forever. If you had a predator, you can flash it back to stock before you go to the dealer,.... let them do there thing,..get your car back, upload your diablo tune.

That simple. It really is a great device,...and I do not work for them. Just basing my statements on actual facts, and experience using the software, and using a predator now for the past several years.

Great product.

 

You can clear the codes yourself on the DCT can't you?

If you wanted to do your own tuning aren't EFI live and HP tuners a better product?

 

Yes, you can clear the dtc on your DIC.

The cost of a LABTOP would have to be added into the overall cost. EFI live, and HP tuners are great products. But it's a program, and it's not typically for a beginner. Yes, you can upload files from other software users,..yes, you can get tech support regarding the subject but, in the end, this guy wants to know which one is better,.... I voiced my opinion,.. instead of giving him an option that may not be something that he can do, or know where to go for help on.

The software you mention, is compairable to CMR, which is what diablosport uses but, that software is not available to the general public. It is however, available through the predator.

Not everyone has a labtop pimpin. I agree with you though.

 

I agree with you Smooth! I read this section alot and one day, I will do my own work on My Vette. I ask these guys questions sometimes because I value THEIR opinions. I don't know if 'They" do their own work, but they do know of what 'They' speak. I have built my own cars, 66 GTO, cam and heads, headers, carb, misc. and have built my '76' Camaro, 1st motor change, a rebuilt, by me ' 69' 427 motor out of a Corvette, the only other work I had done before this was an 836 kit in my Honda, with which I won my class, 12 - 14 seconds at Milan Dragway in the late 70's on Bike only day, I dialed in at 12 flat and caught everybody but the last and he broke out to beat me. My next motor, a '30' over 454, ( a shop bored the motor out for me), my buddy did my heads for me and sold me a 600" lift roller cam, I did all putting together, moved the motor back 3 inches, ( I had to have a shop shorten the driveshaft). I put the shift kit in my turbo 350 myself, redid the rear gears on the Ford 9" rear that I had somebody else weld in, (no experience there.). I did all this by reading books, no experience, no shop training. I am just putting this stuff in here to say that everyone that has a question on here isn't asking because we are stupid or anything, but we Value 'Their' opinions on the subject of performance for Corvettes. I will do my own work on my Corvette, but since I don't know what to do with it once I install my heads and cam, I will probably have to have a shop dyno tune it, Unless I read somewhere on how to do this myself. I am retired now from GM and have the time, not necessarily the money. Oh, by the way, I did the cams, headers and tune on my 96 Harley and beat the boys at work in the 1/4 mile we set up at work, 90 something Camaro, H/C setup and converter, 84 Vette, H/C setup, and a 62' Vette 383 smallblock that he couldn't hook-up, but he was comin fast. Yes, I know this was way to long, but I wanted to say that we are all not beginners because of simple questions, sometimes we want to know the answers to simple questions because that is where we are at in the present time of 'Our' build. And Finally, I went with the Predator Tuner, it's great for what it was intended for, the service is Outstanding, Johann and Mike work their butts off to help, (It's been over a year since I talked to them, hope they are still there), I had a problem with a code coming on telling me about transmission slippage, Of course it was, I had put in a Vigilante 2800 stall converter, it better slip, Johann sent me a couple of different tunes by e-mail until the problem was fixed. Thanks again Johann and you too Mike, Great support for your product! My car is great on the road and for what I want......
Good Luck on your car and enjoy the Forum, it's a great place to be.
.........bob..........

 

1)He has a respected LS1 shop 6 miles away from the town listed in his profile
2)A typical bolt-on dynotune at a respected LSx performance shop is the exact same price as a handheld "tuner"
3)You can scan and clear codes in any C5 using the buttons on the dash
4)Someone asking about a handheld "tuner" has no use for datalogging
5)5 different tunes? WTF is the point? A nitrous tune and an n/a tune perhaps? Are you really going to trust a handheld "tuner" if you're spraying nitrous? C'mon.
6)Handheld tuners have been proven to do nothing other than bump timing a degree or two. Yes they make power... approximately .6 horsepower. If you think you can feel .6 horsepower you're out of your mind.
7)GM Engineers do a great job designing powerplants, but a crap job doing tunes. Every stock untuned vehicle i've seen a dyno of had an air/fuel ratio so far out of wack im surprised there wasn't raw fuel pouring out the tips.

For the record about 90% of the people posting in this section do their own work, including myself. The only thing that my car has been to a shop for was a dyno-tune.

 

For the record I had a predator tune for two years until I went beyond the CAI and cat back. After I installed headers, cats and an x-pipe I went with a "real" tune.

You may want to pop over to the scan and tune section. I had great luck with a predator and for what it is it's pretty nice. You are definately getting some passionate responses over here. It will never be to a "real" tune but if you think it's cool to install a 160 thermostat over the weekend, plug in your tuner and adjust the fan settings in your own garage then maybe it's something you want to look into. Do your own research and see what kind of company they are. Their customer service is top notch and I could not have been happier.

 

You fail at reading the initial post. Answer the question, or keep your comments to yourself dude.

Your post,...is all a matter of opinion. Not one fact, other then yes, you can clear DTC's from your dic .

Cool.

Now,...why would you have multiple tunes? Multiple sized nitrous shots maybe? Maybe a pump gas, then pump gas meth, then maybe a race gas, then maybe race gas meth,..then maybe a stock PCM calibration?

Maybe if you read my post you'd see that I wrote that a Predator can be re-written, using software, by one of the many tuners spread across the US. Wouldn't that be a custom tune? I do the work on my own car as well,..... not to mention 60 others.

The bottom line is, the man got his question answered. I actually have dealt with diablosport now many, many, many times. They're spot on. Johan and Mike, rock. Always willing to help, and give TOP NOTCH service anytime I have needed. Great company. For the record, they are the leader in diesel and gas tuning. They have the HEMI market LOCKED. They have the GM market in my opinion but,...people like you that simply think "hand held tuner" and **** on everyones parade.

Again,...this hand held programmer, can be custom tuned,.....just like how you had your car DYNOTUNED,...yeah, they do that too. I trust them with my 1000+hp car,...and they're hand held programmer,...as well as multiple other cars I put together. From stock to full motor/boost swaps. I have never had a failure with them. I have never had any issues with them. When I say 60 cars,...thats only half of it.

When you have knowledge directly on a topic,...it'd be great to hear something more insightful, some with a little more proof that a product sucks....

Feel free to respond with why YOU think we feel the need to go further on the topic.

 

Classy response.


You speak the truth,.... I have delt with multiple WELL KNOWN tuners,...lol,..many. These guys are awesome. There's soo much more too there buisness then people realize.

Besides that. They have SOOOOO many files on record from my car, and TONS of other cars with them,...anybody that lives in antartica that does a mod similar to what we have built,.... they'll have a tune emailed to them in minutes to get them started, safely.

Good people. Rare these days for such a large company.

 

REAL results here from the Predator. It is by far the best bang for the buck on the market in terms of cost/gains. Went about 3 tenths faster with it installed.

 

We seem to have our haters don't we Smooth? Do it our way or you don't know what you are talking about. The guy asked which was better didn't he? Then he has the ***** to talk about a useless post

 

That doesn't mean we should not try and further educate him. He basically asked what piece of junk is better. No reason to not let him know about better options.

 

Interesting... a friend of mine had a dyno/professional tune and the results were about the same or less than the Predator. Sometimes he tells me that he should of just gotten the handheld tuner and saved a few hundred bucks. Plus, he could make his own additional adjustments where needed. Maybe it was the tuner... maybe the software, but I certainly wouldn't call the Predator "junk".

I'd like to see some before and after of professional tunes. Any of you guys have some? I mean real results either from the dyno or from runs at the track. Some people badmouth the handheld tuners, but they certainly have their place for a car with simple bolt-ons and the ease of installation. Besides the fact, that it's yours to keep, make adjustments with, clear dtc's, and even record logs for a custom tune from Diablo Sport. This tuner has a LOT of options that I haven't even touched yet. My car went from 13.0/13.1's to 12.7's with it. I'd say that's pretty substantial for only having one mod: Blackwing.

 

I agree with you, I'd like all the information that I can get before I make up my mind. That is why I write questions on the Forum, like my recent inquiry about what you guys think that I will run with my Mods, what did I get, 1 answer from Pitt-Man so far, lots of looks. A few good guys wrote back when I wondered what happened to my ET's, but not very many. This guy wondered between Two hand held Tuners, that's all he asked, somebody could have told him about the 2, then explained that he feels that a Professional Tune would be better. He got that they were both ****, They are not! I don't know about the one, so I wrote about the one that I did know, which is the Predator. And I see by the responses so far, that I'm in the majority. The Predator is Great for what it was designed for. When I put in the heads, cam, injectors on my car, I will go in for a Pro tune, unless somebody from here tells me how to do it myself. I respect the guys on this Forum and will listen, but I will make the final decisions on my car. I recently read on this Forum how 1 guy feels that he got screwed by someone, (I believe a Supporting Vender), when he traveled a long distance, spent 2 nights there, and his car drove like crap. The point is, not everybody is satisfied with what somebody else is, so, to each his own. I hope this guy doesn't get discouraged from the comments, reads up on everything and makes an informed decision ........