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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nickolbag
Thats with you in it right?

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Decided to look it up......

coupe (with manual) - 3230/1465
coupe (with auto) - 3253/1476
convertible (with manual)- 3231/1466
convertible (with auto)- 3254/1476
hardtop (manual only) - 3174/1440

j0n has about 60lbs on you. All other weight reduction mods being equal of course. But the FRC came manual tracks(right???), if so you will close that gap. Everything else will probably be the same, unless he decides to lose some lugnuts.
Yes but that doesn't factor in possible option package differences, though it only varies so much.
A loaded 'vert might weigh up to 30 pounds more than a base model 'vert.
Most hardtops had very few options even available to them so they're usually pretty to close to one another in weight.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Yes but that doesn't factor in possible option package differences, though it only varies so much.
A loaded 'vert might weigh up to 30 pounds more than a base model 'vert.
Most hardtops had very few options even available to them so they're usually pretty to close to one another in weight.
What options of significant weight were there? Other than the power seat I dont know of any for the C5.

Capt, you have a roll bar?
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nickolbag
What options of significant weight were there? Other than the power seat I dont know of any for the C5.
I'm not talking vast amounts of weight here or anything but things like the dual power/lumbar sport seats versus the more simple power driver's side only, HUD, full Bose with CD changer versus the base system, F45 suspension etc. It all adds up, especially in the extreme cases where you're comparing a fully optioned car versus a totally base/zero option one. Or worse yet, a fully optioned 'vert/targa versus a zero option hardtop/Z06.




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Capt, you have a roll bar?
I don't think that he does, and let's not say that too loudly either.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 04:45 PM
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Ugh I need gears
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Congrats Pete. You are driving superbly. I hope you have set your goal so you can make plans to achieve it. I believe there is a high 11.1x in there. Keep us posted.
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Originally Posted by GARY2004Z06
I believe there is a high 11.1x in there.
Possibly, but not as it sits. The passenger seat removal and skinnies will help a lot but that current clutch likely isn't going to allow the slip/sixty foot needed to get down to an 11.1.
A new clutch along with a couple of other odds and ends and yes it could be possible in perfect air.
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Originally Posted by nickolbag
Thats with you in it right?
Yes

Originally Posted by nickolbag
Capt, you have a roll bar?
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I don't think that he does, and let's not say that too loudly either.
Shhhhhhhhhhh....

Originally Posted by GARY2004Z06
Congrats Pete. You are driving superbly. I hope you have set your goal so you can make plans to achieve it. I believe there is a high 11.1x in there. Keep us posted.
Thanks - like Marc said, and I believe you and most others would agree, I will need a better clutch for that.

I might be shopping for one pretty soon too.
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Congrats!!!!
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Thanks - like Marc said, and I believe you and most others would agree, I will need a better clutch for that.

I might be shopping for one pretty soon too.
You guys must be right. I probably don't have this bolt-on thing worked out just yet. I'm sorry, I'll keep my thoughts to myself.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GARY2004Z06
You guys must be right. I probably don't have this bolt-on thing worked out just yet. I'm sorry, I'll keep my thoughts to myself.
Yeah....what the heck do you know Gary

He say's 11.1...it will go 11.1
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Originally Posted by GARY2004Z06
You guys must be right. I probably don't have this bolt-on thing worked out just yet. I'm sorry, I'll keep my thoughts to myself.
What are you saying, Gary? Are you saying the stock clutch will hold up? or am I just not able to read online sarcasm?
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Originally Posted by Capthuff
What are you saying, Gary? Are you saying the stock clutch will hold up? or am I just not able to read online sarcasm?
I'll let guys who run autos answer those questions.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Capthuff
Yes
Shhhhhhhhhhh....
Dude, you should get a rollbar like mine. It is far lighter than anyones out there, serious.















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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 10:01 AM
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I was there watching Pete the other night. It was a great run. I know Pete's car is going to go even faster. By the way Pete, I will be ready for you next Thursday.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 94z28racecar
I was there watching Pete the other night. It was a great run. I know Pete's car is going to go even faster. By the way Pete, I will be ready for you next Thursday.
Count me in too for next Thurs. (was all set to go tonight, but no TT thanks to the big boys racing this weekend). My goal is to get within a half second of the Almighty Pete.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 94z28racecar
I know Pete's car is going to go even faster.
I know it will as well, no doubts...just not an 11.1 as it sits.
Even us auto drivers are smart enough to know that.




Originally Posted by Capthuff
What are you saying, Gary? Are you saying the stock clutch will hold up?
Apparently, yes, according to some I guess a bolt ons only C5 that's already running 11.6s while cutting a decent sixty foot/ET with a stock clutch that's aging quickly with every pass can somehow magically still hit 11.1s.
Yes there actually are some potential performance/ET benefits of a somewhat worn/slipping stock clutch but even in the best air (which also means more power, less traction with even more stress on that already taxed clutch) that car is not going 11.1s exactly as the car sits. Not with the likes of RobZ or Ranger driving and not even with the current C5 and C6 Z06 bolt on master himself behind the wheel.
But I'm still hoping that Pete will prove me wrong.

The ET gap between bone stock C5 LS1s (12.6x) and C5 Z06s (11.7x) is over 8/10ths yet somehow/someway that gap will suddenly shrink to only 3/10ths or less once both cars are equipped with similar bolt on mods? Equalized for tires (the stock C5 LS1 tires are inferior to the stock C5 Z06 tires) there is still at least a 5/10ths deficit in stock trim.
Yes, one bolt ons C5 Z06 has gone 10.8x (the next closest one being an 11.2x) but that still doesn't make Pete as good of a driver as that 10.8 car's driver.
The LS1 just doesn't have the kick that the LS6 does, nevermind that the Z06 is also lighter, slightly more aerodynamic and comes with (according to some at least) more preferable transmission gearing as well.
I know the ingredients it will take to get Pete's car into the 11.1s with just bolt ons but it's so very likely not happening as the car sits.
I stand by what I've already said, Pete has the potential to see 11.3s in that car with a new clutch and better air.
Pour another grand or two worth of bolt ons onto the car and he could go even quicker/faster as well.

And yes, I too know a little bit about bolt ons only Corvette performance as well.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
The LS1 just doesn't have the kick that the LS6 does, nevermind that the Z06 is also lighter, slightly more aerodynamic and comes with (according to some at least) more preferable transmission gearing as well.
Don;t have much to add to this thread except this, didn't the coupe have better aero than the FRC? I thought I read something about the shape creating areo disadvantages behind the rear window which accounted for the Z06s lower top speed than the coupe despite the power difference. Not that the areo would make any difference in the 1/4 though. I could easily be wrong though.

Back on topic, damn good time I need to learn how to drive.
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Congrats man, good job.

I ran a stock Z06 clutch for almost a season with a head and cam package at 443 RWHP & DR's with no problems........ for while at least.

I knew I shouldn't have sold you my old exhaust system.

I still have those ported heads when you're ready....
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Originally Posted by SlowFRC
Don;t have much to add to this thread except this, didn't the coupe have better aero than the FRC? I thought I read something about the shape creating areo disadvantages behind the rear window which accounted for the Z06s lower top speed than the coupe despite the power difference.
That is true, the coupe (aka: targa model) is the most aerodynamic of the three C5 body styles. The hardtop/Z06 and convertible (without a hardtop on it that is) have a very close drag coefficient (Cd) with the 'verts being a tiny bit higher due to the roof. Hence why I said "slightly" (yes it's almost not even worth mentioning LOL).





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Not that the areo would make any difference in the 1/4 though. I could easily be wrong though.
Also true...aerodynamics, especially when it's this close between the vehicles in question, does play only a very, very small roll in the 1/4 mile, at least at the speeds we're talking about here (say, under 130mph). I only mention it (again, I did say "slightly" ) because hey, it all adds up and every little bit helps.

And yes, my apologies to Pete for contributing to taking this a little off topic.
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Holy crap Pete! Congrats! I think you've pushed the 6spd record out of reach of my car. Well done.
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