The "LSX world" would be the same as any other modding "world" and rockers do "bolt on" they are cheap and are an easy do it yourself mod. I would consider an intake or headers bolt-ons,no different IMO

 

Uh oh guys. Let's stop this here cuz I can't imagine how many threads and how many ppl there are that think this and that lol this could become a very heated discussion. I do think an intake should could as a bolt on, rockers yes, cam ...no obviously lol

 

I agree, and maybe take your own advice. I was merely making a suggestion to the OP to consider at his discretion. I would be interested in the gains that could be achieved by increasing valve lift without a cam swap. I am also interested in educating myself in the "LSX world" not intrusive sarcasm, of course if that's ok with you
Btw: bolt-on
Adjective: (of an extra part of a machine) Able to be fastened on with a bolt or catch.
Noun: An extra part that can be fastened onto a machine with a bolt

 

Lol I hope I wasn't coming off as an a$$ lol it was mainly me saying we shouldn't jokingly, hence why I continued and gave my opinion on it

Technically you bolt on a magna charger lol

 

That's fine if you feel that way. But I'll also assume that you care absolutely NOTHING about submitting any of your ETs/track results for placement of any of the 'stock internals/bolt ons only' lists on this site or over on LS1 Tech.
Because if you're honest and you openly admit that you have aftermarket rockers (even if they're stock ratio) your submission is going on the 'modified internals' (cammed and heads/cammed cars) lists and NOT on the bolt on lists with the rest of us who have followed the accepted definitions that have been universally accepted and adhered to for roughly 14+ years now.
In the LSx world, if it (intentionally, by design) touches engine oil or is not a naturally aspirated mod (such as nitrous, turbo, blower) then it is not a bolt on.




Not exactly sure what cost has to do with anything, a good set of rockers can cost more than a basic nitrous kit installed, I suppose that makes nitrous a bolt on as well?
A new FAST intake with 90mm or 102mm throttle body costs WAY more than rockers, does that mean they're NOT bolt ons?




These debates almost never end well.
But if you'd like, take a poll among those who modify/race their LSx cars in accordance with certain established internet guidelines and see what they say.
Next we'll be hearing about how having a supercharger is really no different than having a cold air intake.

 

well, now that you mention it.....jkjkjkjk

 

In for the updates. Just bought LG Streets. Looking forward to seeing your results since I'm not installing the headers for a little while.

 

This is taking too long for more numbers lol, its like waiting for Part 2 of a damn movie

 

lol Maybe you weren't and I took it that you were, some people just post on threads with the sole purpose to tell others they are wrong about something

 

I have all stock internals on my Vette, It is not my racecar. and you assume correctly, I don't care to post any of my ETs/or track results, nor have I.
[/QUOTE]
In the LSx world, if it (intentionally, by design) touches engine oil or is not a naturally aspirated mod (such as nitrous, turbo, blower) then it is not a bolt on.[/QUOTE]

I could agree with that definition
The LSX world IS certainly different than the previous 100 years of molding engines for HP

[/QUOTE]Not exactly sure what cost has to do with anything, a good set of rockers can cost more than a basic nitrous kit installed, I suppose that makes nitrous a bolt on as well? [/QUOTE]

I believe u selectively left out the rest of my verbage that was clearly stating what IMO are benefits of bolting on a set of larger ratio rockers. I was merely making a suggestion to the OP for a dyno # comparison. He never stated that his terminology of "bolt ons" was based on the "LSX world racing classification rules, regulations, and terminology" thanks for your input

[/QUOTE]A new FAST intake with 90mm or 102mm throttle body costs WAY more than rockers, does that mean they're NOT bolt ons? [/QUOTE]

Absolutly!! They are not considered bolt ons cause they are too expensive and had u read the first post on this thread you would have seen that he already has those parts to install. I suggested bolting on (oops) a set of 1.8 rockers to see the #s and I have to defend myself to you? Maybe If u had read the thread you wouldn't have been so confused..




These debates almost never end well.
But if you'd like, take a poll among those who modify/race their LSx cars in accordance with certain established internet guidelines and see what they say[/QUOTE]

Well I certainly don't want that, maybe we should forget my suggestion of testing rockers

 

I kinda thought you took it that way buts it's all good

I'd still like an update on this tho

Btw a test on rockers would still be good, regardless if it's considered a bolt on or not

 

Fair enough.
But numerous others on this board do care to post their results in a semi orderly manner in somewhat organized categories.




You truly believe that a FAST intake manifold and/or throttle body are NOT considered bolt on modifications?
Then I'll assume that you feel that rear differential gears, a clutch or a torque converter aren't bolt ons either?

In time you will find that credibility is VERY important when attempting to contribute to threads in the tech/performance sections of these boards. Statements like that above are doing very little to prove that you have much of it, on this particular topic at least.
But hey, everyone is entitled to an opinion.






Typically, rockers have shown as little as 5rwhp and as much as 20rwhp depending on the type used and the vehicle's other supporting mods.

 

I thought about getting them, but instead, figured I'd just get a bigger cam.

 

Most will agree that between those two, the cam is clearly the better/more effective choice.
They do serve similar functions though which makes sense considering that they're both internal engine modifications that do touch engine oil.

 

By the way what were your final numbers after high flow cats, LS6 intake and Blackwing? How close was my guess?

 

Never put the black wing on but after LS6 and hi flo cats it was 320/329. I now have a vararam on, and I may or may not have it dynoed after the powerbond UD pulley goes on this friday.

Id guess its gotta be over 340rwhp now, I felt a very nice pick up with the vararam. Hell I was running a dirty k&n as my intake source. So having that ls6, headers and full exhaust really was dying for more air flow. I figure 3-5rwhp from the UD pulley going on.

 

I was being sarcastic, you questioned my statement referring to the fact that rocker arms are a cheap and easy upgrade to a stock valvetrain. Not that a price of a part dictates weather it's a "bolt on" or not.
It's funny that because I suggested testing weather or not a higher ratio rocker setup my "credibility" came into question.. Enough of this, back to your regular scheduled program

 

Whats up with the mods Bro?? hope its going ok, been waiting for your progress, Please reply soon,, were all in the dark here....

 

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