Active handling made me lose it today, so its off from now on
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Melting Slicks
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Active handling made me lose it today, so its off from now on
This is like the 5th time I've gone into a turn braking a bit slightly into the turn and coming on it hard and hot and AH came on and just made me lose it as it crossed me up and I just about went off roading. My buddy said it saved me from losing it all the way worse when I braked going to fast and I'm like BS. We went back around and came back to same freeway exit curve cept this time I turned it all off, came into same curve even faster hitting brake even harder coming into front section and came out faster and he just looked at me and said damn, you don't need the dang computer do you. I said F the computer when driving like that, don't need it telling me how I'm suppose to be driving.
Last edited by briann510; Oct 26, 2007 at 06:21 PM.
Burning Brakes
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From: Columbia, SC
Yup
Dude...Amen. Been there plenty-a-time, 'cept for the off roading. When you're pushin the car, and the AH kicks in, all of a sudden the car does something you didn't ask it to do, and things get spooky!! I just ordered my Laptrax unit to cure this unfortunate situation from happening again.
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Melting Slicks
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Well.....I was for almost 30 years....I drove GT-1, GT-2, GT-3, Formula Vee, IHRA, NHRA (was the fuel person for a big name pro stock team and could have had a shot asw a driver but I weighed too much..Ok I was fat at that time...LOL), 4 different dragboat classes in IHBA and NHBA (BFJ, BAH, RRJ and BGH), and wrenched for a BAH team. That was the daredevil days before driver capsules were mandated.
I can tell you I personally don't need a computer telling me how to drive or trying to save me when I'm knowingly going really hot in and out of turns, BUT most street drivers/cars can use it no problem but when you least expect it its gonna mess you up bad. The AH doesn't correct me all that much unless I brake at a certain point when the suspension is unloading the other direction then the computer goes ape sh**. It's just sometimes I totally forget to turn it off when just driving around town.
I can tell you I personally don't need a computer telling me how to drive or trying to save me when I'm knowingly going really hot in and out of turns, BUT most street drivers/cars can use it no problem but when you least expect it its gonna mess you up bad. The AH doesn't correct me all that much unless I brake at a certain point when the suspension is unloading the other direction then the computer goes ape sh**. It's just sometimes I totally forget to turn it off when just driving around town.
Last edited by briann510; Oct 26, 2007 at 08:32 PM.
Melting Slicks
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The early C5`s traction control are the worst!
A long time ago with it on, the computer clamped the LR brake in a tight right hand turn. Needless to say I found myself in the opposite lane facing into oncoming traffic, fortunately the was no one coming at the time.
I now NEVER use the traction control and push the car a LOT harder than in that incident, apparently my right foot and sotp trump the computer as I never had another INCIDENT!
A long time ago with it on, the computer clamped the LR brake in a tight right hand turn. Needless to say I found myself in the opposite lane facing into oncoming traffic, fortunately the was no one coming at the time.
I now NEVER use the traction control and push the car a LOT harder than in that incident, apparently my right foot and sotp trump the computer as I never had another INCIDENT!
Drifting
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Well.....I was for almost 30 years....I drove GT-1, GT-2, GT-3, Formula Vee, IHRA, NHRA (was the fuel person for a big name pro stock team and could have had a shot asw a driver but I weighed too much..Ok I was fat at that time...LOL), 4 different dragboat classes in IHBA and NHBA (BFJ, BAH, RRJ and BGH), and wrenched for a BAH team. That was the daredevil days before driver capsules were mandated.
I can tell you I personally don't need a computer telling me how to drive or trying to save me when I'm knowingly going really hot in and out of turns, BUT most street drivers/cars can use it no problem but when you least expect it its gonna mess you up bad. The AH doesn't correct me all that much unless I brake at a certain point when the suspension is unloading the other direction then the computer goes ape sh**. It's just sometimes I totally forget to turn it off when just driving around town.
I can tell you I personally don't need a computer telling me how to drive or trying to save me when I'm knowingly going really hot in and out of turns, BUT most street drivers/cars can use it no problem but when you least expect it its gonna mess you up bad. The AH doesn't correct me all that much unless I brake at a certain point when the suspension is unloading the other direction then the computer goes ape sh**. It's just sometimes I totally forget to turn it off when just driving around town.
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Melting Slicks
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I never take comments on driving the wrong way as im always learning even after years of racing experience. I usually don't brake in a curve unless some dufus in front of me causes me to do so. I brake really hard right before diving into the turn. The problem is though when I'm in a position where I have to then AH sucks big time trying to correct something I don't want corrected. Its all good, I just need to anticipate what going on when I'm on the street with computer on.
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I suspect the problem is this ....
the AH algorithm is programmed for the (pick your number) 95 ... 99 .... 92 percent of drivers who cannot handle a car at the "extreme" edge of handling. GM had to pick an area where if the AH system can get the car back under control, there is still enough "spare" handling for an average driver to still control the car.
I doubt the C6.R guys run with AH on (even if it was allowed or installed) .... the driver is TOTALLY in control ... Ron Fellows can better drive a car than a computer ... but that will change as the software engineers better understand "car control".
Bottom line, for the vast majority of drivers, AH is an aid that protects average drivers (to some degree) from their mistakes ... for those who are the equivalent of a Michael Schumaker, or are in the top 5 percent of capability ... they don't need a computer ..... though even Schumacher used electronic rear/front brake bias systems for EVERY corner on the track.
the AH algorithm is programmed for the (pick your number) 95 ... 99 .... 92 percent of drivers who cannot handle a car at the "extreme" edge of handling. GM had to pick an area where if the AH system can get the car back under control, there is still enough "spare" handling for an average driver to still control the car.
I doubt the C6.R guys run with AH on (even if it was allowed or installed) .... the driver is TOTALLY in control ... Ron Fellows can better drive a car than a computer ... but that will change as the software engineers better understand "car control".
Bottom line, for the vast majority of drivers, AH is an aid that protects average drivers (to some degree) from their mistakes ... for those who are the equivalent of a Michael Schumaker, or are in the top 5 percent of capability ... they don't need a computer ..... though even Schumacher used electronic rear/front brake bias systems for EVERY corner on the track.
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Actually all it does is help you point the car where you want to go. Don't worry about AH activating just keep the damn wheel pointed where you want to go and you will get there.
I have purposely activated it over and over and have never had it fight me. Anybody who says it fights them is BSing.
Bill
I have purposely activated it over and over and have never had it fight me. Anybody who says it fights them is BSing.
Bill
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Wow, drifting on the freeway exit ramp
All I can say is it saved me a bunch of embarrasment on one occasion. My last accident was 1973 btw
All I can say is it saved me a bunch of embarrasment on one occasion. My last accident was 1973 btw
Burning Brakes
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I wouldn't say that the AH fights me, but when it activates, the car moves in a direction that I wasn't prepared for. For a split second, my brain tries real hard to figure out what went wrong, and why all of a sudden we're crashing.... Past two or three tenths of a second, after I figure out that it was the AH, I just compensate in the other direction and we're fine. Still pisses me off though.
Alas though... problem solved!!! Just installed my Laptrax. Works awesome!!! Now I get to forget that it existed in my past.
Alas though... problem solved!!! Just installed my Laptrax. Works awesome!!! Now I get to forget that it existed in my past.
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Melting Slicks
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I was out earlier for a while testing it on a 3 mile back road stretch with some pretty tight turns just cause I wanted to really see what the differences were pushing the car to its limits in COMP mode, and it crossed me up at least half a dozen times without ever even touching the brakes the whole time. Then we went back through same exact 3 miles with it AH/TC off and man what a difference being able to really push the car in and out of the turns. The guy that was with me said he could feel the car really fighting me on each and every turn and with it off the car was just cooking through the turns.
So the 3rd time through I turned TC/AH back on and forget it. Man was that scary as hell with traction control on.
So the 3rd time through I turned TC/AH back on and forget it. Man was that scary as hell with traction control on.
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Actually all it does is help you point the car where you want to go. Don't worry about AH activating just keep the damn wheel pointed where you want to go and you will get there.
I have purposely activated it over and over and have never had it fight me. Anybody who says it fights them is BSing.
Bill
I have purposely activated it over and over and have never had it fight me. Anybody who says it fights them is BSing.
Bill
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Melting Slicks
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I prefer to push the car to its absolute limits in handling on a daily basis on the local back roads.
Last edited by briann510; Oct 27, 2007 at 04:55 AM.
Burning Brakes
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From: fort hood tx
the A/H has saved my butt once! i was on a small backroad i hadnt been on before. it was a sharp left turn and i assumed it would be a normal turn but to my suprise it dipped down and the a$$ end wanted to come out from under me and the a/h came one and brought the a$$ back. i would have been ok if it was my 6spd but it was my buddies auto 02 and it dosent have the same throttle response. somtime it is a pain in the butt though!
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If your AH isn't "fighting" you then you are not pushing your car to it's edge and past in handling. Once you reach it, then the computer is trying to relay information the driver is pushing the limits. I'm sure my grandmother would never trigger the AH either...
I prefer to push the car to its absolute limits in handling on a daily basis on the local back roads.
I prefer to push the car to its absolute limits in handling on a daily basis on the local back roads.
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A controversial thread to be sure..
I for one am glad that my FRC did not come with the AH option (although TC does have value in certain situations).
It's inevitable (and we've already seen it here on the CF) that as these components age a failure in the valve-control module can do nasty things like randomly locking wheels, etc.
I for one am glad that my FRC did not come with the AH option (although TC does have value in certain situations).
It's inevitable (and we've already seen it here on the CF) that as these components age a failure in the valve-control module can do nasty things like randomly locking wheels, etc.