[Z06] "Mamofied" MSD Intake (ported, shaved, & modified rail covers!)
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I suspect an additional 15-20 RWHP.....should have some data on this soon from independent sources I have helped recentlty.
Its going to be a significant amount (not single digits).....enough to make the change IMO only based on the stellar results over and above stock.....typically doubling what I have seen from the ported FAST upgrades.
Will PM you here in a few minutes!
I dont think Richard knows exactly how big the cam is.....Rick just calls it his smog legal cam and word is it's in the 220's (intake lobe) on naturally a wide LSA to reduce overlap (better emissions),but Richard isn't being cagey with anyone.....he just doesn't have the info/specs to disclose but its obviously a mild cam.
-Tony
Its going to be a significant amount (not single digits).....enough to make the change IMO only based on the stellar results over and above stock.....typically doubling what I have seen from the ported FAST upgrades.
Will PM you here in a few minutes!
I dont think Richard knows exactly how big the cam is.....Rick just calls it his smog legal cam and word is it's in the 220's (intake lobe) on naturally a wide LSA to reduce overlap (better emissions),but Richard isn't being cagey with anyone.....he just doesn't have the info/specs to disclose but its obviously a mild cam.
-Tony
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Tony, what do you say to some same day back to back dyno numbers against your own ported Fast 102 max effort high compression LS7 445 cubic inch monster on ethanol!?? Muuuuuuuhhhhhaaaaaaaahhhaaaahahahaaahaha 
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Some say he sees the world in computational fluid dynamics.
Others say he can swab an intake runner with a q-tip and pick up 40cfm.
It's been said that a headlight ported by him can project light at a speed faster than light.
He once ported his keyboard to type 410wpm.
All we know is he's called Tony Mamo.
Others say he can swab an intake runner with a q-tip and pick up 40cfm.
It's been said that a headlight ported by him can project light at a speed faster than light.
He once ported his keyboard to type 410wpm.
All we know is he's called Tony Mamo.
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Sounds good tony. Whatcha got for an LS-6?
Guys,
First off I should touch on the fact that everyone I am helping with these ported manifolds are super stoked and feeling/seeing significant gains on the dyno and at the track.....SOTP is decidedly stronger as well. Best guess....over a stock LS7, upgrading to my ported MSD and a larger 102 TB (and a tune) is worth on average about 40 RWHP with no other changes (some have seen this and more on chassis and engine dyno). Big gains in RWTQ as well....this assumes you already have a good exhaust which will allow you to see the most gains from the better induction. I have a few guys that have picked up 3 and 4 MPH in trap speed from the swap....unheard of for a single bolt on (that's the same or more than installing headers on this platform and headers make a huge improvement). Hell that's a comparable gain from a decent head swap and that's much more costly and a huge PITA in comparison.
All that said, there was no arguing the MSD was a bit of an ugly duckling in stock trim (some refused in spite of the promise of big gains....LOL) so to end all that I now present my MSD "SS mod" which will really appeal to those who gravitate to a more OEM stock look ("SS" stands for Super Stealthy....LOL). Its something I will offer to the customers having me port their intakes and you don't have to opt for both (if you want I can just shave and modify the intake.....the fuel rail cover mod is a separate operation).
Long story short, this is what I immediately visioned the first time I laid my eyes on the stock MSD intake. While I knew some carefully executed grinding and sanding could get rid of the logos (which I felt would be a dramatic improvement), my secret hope was that I could properly texture coat it to give it more of a stock look and the real wild card was would I be able to potentially modify the red covers to fit the new intake in search of a reeaaallly clean OEM finished look.
Im pleased to say the end results of the project may have even surpassed my expectations a bit (and trust me the bar was set high!), but I must also add I have a retarded amount of time invested from the three months ago I embarked on this mission. Finding the right processes on the intake and the right steps to make the final texture look more OEM than the factory finish of the MSD (which is very smooth), took alot of patience and trial and error with different products/technique. Even the final coat of black drove my crazy for a bit (one paint was too shiny.....another too flat....another didn't play nice with the texture coat beneath it etc.). I sweat the details.....sometimes I hate how OCD I can be.....I literally drive myself crazy
Obviously the clean, OEM finished look is just the icing on the cake to the ridiculous 40-50 HP gains my customers are seeing from all the internal work (porting/reworking the airflow paths and the injector fuel paths are even improved) but it sure is the cherry on top and then some. Here are a bunch of pics I snapped a couple of hours ago burning the midnight plus oil pretty stoked with what I finally arrived at. Even the red cover edges are smooth and flow into the lines of the existing cover shape (I sealed them as well). If I handed you the reworked cover and you didn't know what a stock one looked like you would have no indication it was even modified....it just looks stock which of course was the goal at hand
In my opinion, the fitted covers and the shaved MSD look better than stock now....and better than the FAST in my opinion also. Its just a much cleaner look than the jagged edges of the OEM red covers with the stock LS7 intake. At the end of the day, the actual MSD intake in and of itself isn't really bad looking once you get used to the different look.....it was just a little over the top in "branding" and the four large logo's were just a bit too much (I'm being kind!). Would love to know what you guys think.
I haven't settled on a final price yet but anyone interested can PM or email me (email preferred) and we can discuss it. Its extremely labor intensive to get it to look this right and it wont be cheap but I will do my best to keep the price reasonable (not charging enough hurts other aspects of business so its a double edge sword). I'm considering keeping a set of new modified covers on the shelf so those not wanting to deal with sending me their stockers can go that route (maybe their covers are damaged or dingy looking etc.).
Should probably thank a bunch of my customers that (unknowingly) helped with the photoshoot....LOL
The 416 shortblock I'm building belongs to Matt Roundtree....the ported LS7 throttle body (actually destined for a CTS-V application), belongs to Jake Patrick, and the ported LS7 TFS castings belong to Reinhold Fink in Austria (they have a long ride coming soon!). The actual ported intake and the modified red rail covers belong to Richard Smith who believed in my vision as well and was the first to get on board! I should mention I stole the valve covers and cover stand offs from my personal C6Z who's acquisition was really the catalyst that got this whole project started (big thanks to my supportive GF!). Regarding my personal project there will be alot more later this year as I take a bone stock 08' Z and document the build from start to finish (with many stops on the chassis dyno I plan to install this year) along the way documenting the gains almost one by one from all the upgrades. You can bet I will be running this exact top half with ported/modified TFS castings and a bunch of other mods to be discussed later!
2016 is shaping up to be an exciting (and exhausting) year!!
Regards,
Tony
First off I should touch on the fact that everyone I am helping with these ported manifolds are super stoked and feeling/seeing significant gains on the dyno and at the track.....SOTP is decidedly stronger as well. Best guess....over a stock LS7, upgrading to my ported MSD and a larger 102 TB (and a tune) is worth on average about 40 RWHP with no other changes (some have seen this and more on chassis and engine dyno). Big gains in RWTQ as well....this assumes you already have a good exhaust which will allow you to see the most gains from the better induction. I have a few guys that have picked up 3 and 4 MPH in trap speed from the swap....unheard of for a single bolt on (that's the same or more than installing headers on this platform and headers make a huge improvement). Hell that's a comparable gain from a decent head swap and that's much more costly and a huge PITA in comparison.
All that said, there was no arguing the MSD was a bit of an ugly duckling in stock trim (some refused in spite of the promise of big gains....LOL) so to end all that I now present my MSD "SS mod" which will really appeal to those who gravitate to a more OEM stock look ("SS" stands for Super Stealthy....LOL). Its something I will offer to the customers having me port their intakes and you don't have to opt for both (if you want I can just shave and modify the intake.....the fuel rail cover mod is a separate operation).
Long story short, this is what I immediately visioned the first time I laid my eyes on the stock MSD intake. While I knew some carefully executed grinding and sanding could get rid of the logos (which I felt would be a dramatic improvement), my secret hope was that I could properly texture coat it to give it more of a stock look and the real wild card was would I be able to potentially modify the red covers to fit the new intake in search of a reeaaallly clean OEM finished look.
Im pleased to say the end results of the project may have even surpassed my expectations a bit (and trust me the bar was set high!), but I must also add I have a retarded amount of time invested from the three months ago I embarked on this mission. Finding the right processes on the intake and the right steps to make the final texture look more OEM than the factory finish of the MSD (which is very smooth), took alot of patience and trial and error with different products/technique. Even the final coat of black drove my crazy for a bit (one paint was too shiny.....another too flat....another didn't play nice with the texture coat beneath it etc.). I sweat the details.....sometimes I hate how OCD I can be.....I literally drive myself crazy
Obviously the clean, OEM finished look is just the icing on the cake to the ridiculous 40-50 HP gains my customers are seeing from all the internal work (porting/reworking the airflow paths and the injector fuel paths are even improved) but it sure is the cherry on top and then some. Here are a bunch of pics I snapped a couple of hours ago burning the midnight plus oil pretty stoked with what I finally arrived at. Even the red cover edges are smooth and flow into the lines of the existing cover shape (I sealed them as well). If I handed you the reworked cover and you didn't know what a stock one looked like you would have no indication it was even modified....it just looks stock which of course was the goal at hand
In my opinion, the fitted covers and the shaved MSD look better than stock now....and better than the FAST in my opinion also. Its just a much cleaner look than the jagged edges of the OEM red covers with the stock LS7 intake. At the end of the day, the actual MSD intake in and of itself isn't really bad looking once you get used to the different look.....it was just a little over the top in "branding" and the four large logo's were just a bit too much (I'm being kind!). Would love to know what you guys think.
I haven't settled on a final price yet but anyone interested can PM or email me (email preferred) and we can discuss it. Its extremely labor intensive to get it to look this right and it wont be cheap but I will do my best to keep the price reasonable (not charging enough hurts other aspects of business so its a double edge sword). I'm considering keeping a set of new modified covers on the shelf so those not wanting to deal with sending me their stockers can go that route (maybe their covers are damaged or dingy looking etc.).
Should probably thank a bunch of my customers that (unknowingly) helped with the photoshoot....LOL
The 416 shortblock I'm building belongs to Matt Roundtree....the ported LS7 throttle body (actually destined for a CTS-V application), belongs to Jake Patrick, and the ported LS7 TFS castings belong to Reinhold Fink in Austria (they have a long ride coming soon!). The actual ported intake and the modified red rail covers belong to Richard Smith who believed in my vision as well and was the first to get on board! I should mention I stole the valve covers and cover stand offs from my personal C6Z who's acquisition was really the catalyst that got this whole project started (big thanks to my supportive GF!). Regarding my personal project there will be alot more later this year as I take a bone stock 08' Z and document the build from start to finish (with many stops on the chassis dyno I plan to install this year) along the way documenting the gains almost one by one from all the upgrades. You can bet I will be running this exact top half with ported/modified TFS castings and a bunch of other mods to be discussed later!
2016 is shaping up to be an exciting (and exhausting) year!!
Regards,
Tony
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Take the plunge....if you dont see a big enough gain over the ported FAST I will refund your money and have you ship it to someone else (at a slight discount to the someone else!), but I doubt the intake ever leaves your possession!
I think it will pick you up in a similar manner the original FAST I helped you with picked you up over your ported OEM intake. Shoot me an email or a PM and we can discuss further
Some say he sees the world in computational fluid dynamics.
Others say he can swab an intake runner with a q-tip and pick up 40cfm.
It's been said that a headlight ported by him can project light at a speed faster than light.
He once ported his keyboard to type 410wpm.
All we know is he's called Tony Mamo.
Others say he can swab an intake runner with a q-tip and pick up 40cfm.
It's been said that a headlight ported by him can project light at a speed faster than light.
He once ported his keyboard to type 410wpm.
All we know is he's called Tony Mamo.
A ported FAST is still the "gold standard". The cathedral MSD effort was close but the FAST edged them out a little bit based on a few tests I have seen. If I had to guess MSD focused alot more time on the LS7 intake design or they simply got lucky (it does happens occasionally....LOL). Either way its a win for this community but if your building a strong cathedral piece have a look at my MMS cathedral line of heads (best on the planet now for a cathedral endeavor) and go with one of my ported FAST intakes to get the most out of it.
Love the avatar btw!
Guys....I just replied to hopefully all of you that PM'ed me about the MSD
Shoot me a reply back at your convenience
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Whats funny coming from my standpoint is the time I actually invested in a major headlight project so I just couldn't resist responding!
I probably had close to two months into fabricating brackets and a whole bunch of other BS required to install a larger much better projector in my CTSV. Thankfully the results were worth the time I invested and that pic I posted was the real deal from some of my testing setting up the alignment of the headlamps when I was finally done with the project!.....LOL The light output is insane and the cut is just as crazy.....nobody flashes me and I swear I can see for a mile with the new set-up. Saved my azz a few times at speed avoiding crap in the road
Good stuff!
-Tony
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Thanks Tony for all your hard work. I don't know you and have never talked to you but I am very interested in your MSD mod. Unfortunately, I'm playing it safe and waiting until the summer of '17 to mess with my '13 Z just in case. DRM FTW!
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Thanks Dave
Whats funny coming from my standpoint is the time I actually invested in a major headlight project so I just couldn't resist responding!
I probably had close to two months into fabricating brackets and a whole bunch of other BS required to install a larger much better projector in my CTSV. Thankfully the results were worth the time I invested and that pic I posted was the real deal from some of my testing setting up the alignment of the headlamps when I was finally done with the project!.....LOL The light output is insane and the cut is just as crazy.....nobody flashes me and I swear I can see for a mile with the new set-up. Saved my azz a few times at speed avoiding crap in the road
Good stuff!
-Tony
Whats funny coming from my standpoint is the time I actually invested in a major headlight project so I just couldn't resist responding!
I probably had close to two months into fabricating brackets and a whole bunch of other BS required to install a larger much better projector in my CTSV. Thankfully the results were worth the time I invested and that pic I posted was the real deal from some of my testing setting up the alignment of the headlamps when I was finally done with the project!.....LOL The light output is insane and the cut is just as crazy.....nobody flashes me and I swear I can see for a mile with the new set-up. Saved my azz a few times at speed avoiding crap in the road
Good stuff!
-Tony
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You would have to upgrade your current projector with a bi-xenon style that lifts a shade un-blocking what would be the "hot-spot" of the HID bulb and allows the light to reach higher (aka your high beams). Your OEM high beam could be the 12v signal to the shade solenoid on the Bi-xenon bulb.
You would need some fabricating skills to get the new projector in the C6 housing and deal with the oven and all the BS required to get the headlamps apart (the worst part of the job IMO), but it could be done. You could even retain the OEM high beam function as well or disconnect it if you didn't like the yellow light it throws.
I upgraded my C6Z with Xenon fogs but I block the top part of the lens so its not blinding everyone....I also installed 55 watt ballasts for the OEM low beam projector. The combination of both worked very well and while not as insanely awesome as my customized CTSV venture, it was a third of the money and one fifth of the time.....LOL
These two mods make for a big improvement over stock C6 lighting (which honestly isn't that bad and was ALOT better than the sorry OEM headlight of my V which was strange considering the rest of the overall awesomeness of that car even in stock trim). If I remember I will take a pic of how I handled the fog lamp mod....its a must if you upgrade the C6 fogs to xenon and don't want everyone flashing you which I personally find irritating over time.
Btw.....the Top Gear video was funny....I watch it from time to time.....see endless clips some buddies are always sending me but I wasn't up on that brand of humor defined in the video.....it was pretty good.....LOL
And FWIW I think the Dos Equis beer commercials are really good.....but the Budweiser "real men of genius" are the ultimate.....LOL
Catch you guys later....
-Tony
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I've been waiting for you to turn up.....what took so long!?
Take the plunge....if you dont see a big enough gain over the ported FAST I will refund your money and have you ship it to someone else (at a slight discount to the someone else!), but I doubt the intake ever leaves your possession!
I think it will pick you up in a similar manner the original FAST I helped you with picked you up over your ported OEM intake. Shoot me an email or a PM and we can discuss further
Read more: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...#ixzz3yLuVLFlt
Are you being serious here!? That's a pretty significant gain. You must be pretty confident in this intake. I really haven't been seeing much of a gain over the ported fast, especially on a high hp deal already even though I know it's pretty early in the game. That's what you call putting your money where your mouth is! Hmmmmmmmmmm.....SO TEMPTING!!
Take the plunge....if you dont see a big enough gain over the ported FAST I will refund your money and have you ship it to someone else (at a slight discount to the someone else!), but I doubt the intake ever leaves your possession!
I think it will pick you up in a similar manner the original FAST I helped you with picked you up over your ported OEM intake. Shoot me an email or a PM and we can discuss further
Read more: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...#ixzz3yLuVLFlt
Are you being serious here!? That's a pretty significant gain. You must be pretty confident in this intake. I really haven't been seeing much of a gain over the ported fast, especially on a high hp deal already even though I know it's pretty early in the game. That's what you call putting your money where your mouth is! Hmmmmmmmmmm.....SO TEMPTING!!
