NSC5

There haven't been matching numbers for quite some time but with computerized service records the "purists" will be able to track these things far into the future.

Twenty years from now it wouldn't bother me but if a dealer had sold me a new car and not disclosed this info I wouldn't be happy and in some states this behavior would violate state codes. My biggest concern would be whether this is a dealership that is capable and also known for handling service jobs well or if it is one that may or may not properly do the oil change for a dry sump car. It brings to mind my Cadillac dealer that took four attempts to do a simple OnStar module that was replaced under recall; I wouldn't want anything major going under the knife at that shop.

Bikeman

This is an amazing story .lm astounded at some of the responses here. Maybe to some replacing a total engine is not a big deal but to a reasonable and prudent individual it most certainly is! Paying for a new car does not include this.Just purchased a new Zo6. If This happened to me the car would be back on the lot and I would be going elsewhere .its their problem not mine. I hope you’re not talking about Boardwalk. If it is l will never give them any more of my business. Regardless of what the fine points of the law are or what GM/dealorship thinks they can legally can get away with seems pretty clearly non disclosure fraud to me. Ask yourself how a magistrate would feel if this happened to him.Why should the buyer accept ANYTHING less the a perfectly new car?

Dif

I would Not want a New car with the engine replaced.
OTOH, at this point we don't know if it was replaced at the Factory or the Dealer.
I could live with a car if the engine was replaced at the Factory before ever leaving the Factory.
But no way I would want it if the engine was replaced by a Dealer.
Just my 2 cents

Skid Row Joe

x2?

2500 hd

Exactly..

iclick

At the factory there is a high probability a second engine will be installed properly. At many dealers this would not be assured.

VroomAB

The engine was replaced at / by the dealer, not at the Factory.

Ron'sGS

Following.....

red62vette

To me, it would be one thing if a dealer told me they have a car that's had the engine replaced, they're offering a good deal on it, and I negotiated with full knowledge. But I'd be completely pissed if I were in your shoes.

JGarland

Why be upset?

I'd be upset if they DIDN'T replace the bad factory motor.

Enjoy your new car!

AORoads

I'm with Rick T and can see both sides of the issues now that I've read it to this point. And, in my opinion, an engine replaced at the factory will not trigger a VIS-written line item about engine replacement. So, unless I miss my guess this wasn't done at the factory. Not all cars, but several are held up at the factory before delivery to give them a more thorough testing---during that time, things may get fixed/replaced. This car probably wasn't one of them.

I'd say if it was anyone including me, I'd want a new car, not a new car with a replaced engine. I don't know, like Gearhead Jim said, the CA laws, but I bet any lawyer could make the case for a replacement new car---but maybe not in CA. I doubt that a dealer can argue caveat emptor on a new car and that not disclosing a new car with an engine replaced is a-ok. But, one thing I do remember is that auto dealers in many states have some very strong things going in their favor that most other businesses do not have.

Good luck. Tell us how it all turns out for you.

red62vette

So for those who wouldn't be upset, then is it reasonable to assume if you were given the choice between two new Vettes at the same cost, but one had the factory engine and the other a replacement, you'd be indifferent between the two cars?

MerakiAutoworks

Interesting to see peoples opinions lol

-Josh

Thunder22

I wouldn't have been happy either if I were in this situation.

Good luck with getting it resolved.


That being said, what would you be happy with as the solution?

Foosh

While I agree with you that it's not fundamentally different than an engine replaced at the factory before the car was released, if you read the CA statute posted by the OP, you would see this dealership was clearly in violation of the disclosure requirement. The purpose of the statute is to allow a customer to decide whether to accept a new car that has been repaired before sale or not. The statute clearly applies only to major repairs, and an engine replacement certainly qualifies.

I agree the car will probably be fine, but that's not really the point here.

EcoBrick Bob

If you like the car, perhaps you should demand $$$$ from selling dealer and then keep it if they give you enough $$$$ for their deception. It's under warranty for 60K.

I would also demand to know what issues with the original engine that caused them to replace it.

Replacing the engine is less work and likely less problematic than replacing the Torque Converter which many of us have had done.

ricks327

I'm in the "pissed" camp. After being in a C2 for many years and having a Top Flight car, originality is a big deal which gives me a biased opinion. I hope it works out to the OP's satisfaction.

roadbike56

OP, I can speak as someone who bought a used (CPO) C7, not a new car. One of the first things I did was ask to see the GM VIS report for both cars that I made offers on. When I bought the car from Mike at Criswell, I told him when I got there, to have the report waiting. He sat down with me and went over every detail in the report. The folks at Hendrick did the same thing when I was looking at one of their C7s. Neither dealer was surprised with this request.
If you plan on keeping this car a long time, it will not make much, if any, difference. But if you're the type to replace your car every two or three years, then yes it might affect the trade in or resale value.

Foosh

In this case, the CA statute is very clear. It doesn't take either a real or "internet lawyer" to understand disclosure was required in this case, just an understanding of plain English.

OP linked it in post #13.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...er=4.&article=

JerryU

Reminded of when I sold a 1988 Vette, my first. A fellow who had a number of Vettes had a condo in Charleston SC and lived in the Mid West. Saw my News Paper ad and came up to look at the car.

He was checking for the serial number on the engine! I assured him it was the engine that came with the car. He said yes, but if there was a problem when they started the car at the end of the assembly line they could have installed a replacement engine they have on hand for that possibility! He said he could tell if it was by the engine serial number!

He bought the car, drove it back home and I ordered a '93 40th Anniversary model! So could use that as a reason for possible reduced resale. However with the high volumes of C7's sold doubt there are many folks who would care! But takes all kinds so it's possible!