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Instructions on PCM Removal in C5
OK guys. I have searched five different ways and can not find clear instructions on how I can remove my PCM from my 04 vert in order to ship it to Chuck Cow for a quick throttle response tune. My car is totally stock but if I don't get this car moving quicker than my 12 Genesis Coupe with a 2.0t, I'm gonna have to sell the darn car. It responds like a family van. I've gotta get me a tune, and fast. If anyone would be kind enough to send me a link or their own detailed instructions on how to remove the PCM without breaking anything, I would be most appreciative.
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OK guys. I have searched five different ways and can not find clear instructions on how I can remove my PCM from my 04 vert in order to ship it to Chuck Cow for a quick throttle response tune. My car is totally stock but if I don't get this car moving quicker than my 12 Genesis Coupe with a 2.0t, I'm gonna have to sell the darn car. It responds like a family van. I've gotta get me a tune, and fast. If anyone would be kind enough to send me a link or their own detailed instructions on how to remove the PCM without breaking anything, I would be most appreciative.
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By far the car with the absolute worst throttle response I've ever experienced was a 2.0t genesis... If your car is worse than that, you have a massive problem. I wouldn't trade my wife's Corolla for a 2.0t genesis.
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A throttle booster isnt going to get you what you want! Its a great enhancement but,,,,, it wont make the car faster. A PCM Tune will help but it wont wake up the git up and go much.. Dont get me wrong... The booster is great! I have one. It just doesnt increase HP or TQ.. It just makes the throttle response a LOT better!
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If you want more take off power, you will need to invest in a higher stall speed torque converter & 390 or 410 gears.
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If you want more take off power, you will need to invest in a higher stall speed torque converter & 390 or 410 gears.
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A throttle booster isnt going to get you what you want! Its a great enhancement but,,,,, it wont make the car faster. A PCM Tune will help but it wont wake up the git up and go much.. Dont get me wrong... The booster is great! I have one. It just doesnt increase HP or TQ.. It just makes the throttle response a LOT better!
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If you want more take off power, you will need to invest in a higher stall speed torque converter & 390 or 410 gears.
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If you want more take off power, you will need to invest in a higher stall speed torque converter & 390 or 410 gears.
#48
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I have been doing this as long, if not longer, than any other tuner on this forum. I beta tested the very first EFI LIVE and HP TUNERS cables...
I continue to support both products (and others), burn chips for older cars in hex, and flash LT1s. I have taken the most advanced courses offered, but like Doug
says there is no substitute for knowledge gained racing my carburetor & MSD distributor Camaro and 68 Vette back in the 80s. REALLY knowing how it all worked
back then is why I've been successful with the EFI stuff. I've always owned an auto transmission building business and learned electronic control strategy from the
earliest lockup trans to the current on boad TCM units today.
Real simple, you sound like a fool mouthing off about someone you know nothing about. It makes you look stupid.
You have based your opinion on malicious attacks from competitive businesses and former friends on a forum that were designed to hurt my reputation.
A forum populated by young, immature boys (regardless of age) who are allowed to use foul language and trash whomever they chose without regard for
the laws of libel, slander, and defamation. LS1 Tech survives BECAUSE Trash talking and foul language SELLS just like the NATIONAL INQUIRER and we
all know that the National Inquirer ONLY PRINTS FACTS and true information.
For instance, the vehicle below was tuned by me from 1,500 miles away thru e-mail. This car is aggressive and runs amazing and has more than proven itself.
It's more than enough work to tune a car in person.... but, thru the internet when I can't even see, hear, or feel what it's doing? Come on now....
Here's what I've learned in life and you'd be an even smarter person if you took my advice.
TRULY SMART PEOPLE, know what they don't know. And more importantly, they keep their mouths shut UNLESS they have first hand information or experience
backed up with COLD HARD FACTS.
Running your mouth, when you have no idea of what you're talking about...or quoting FACTS from some internet forum or website....
DOES NOT MAKE YOU SMART.
It makes you look very foolish.
Be smart.
Chuck CoW
I continue to support both products (and others), burn chips for older cars in hex, and flash LT1s. I have taken the most advanced courses offered, but like Doug
says there is no substitute for knowledge gained racing my carburetor & MSD distributor Camaro and 68 Vette back in the 80s. REALLY knowing how it all worked
back then is why I've been successful with the EFI stuff. I've always owned an auto transmission building business and learned electronic control strategy from the
earliest lockup trans to the current on boad TCM units today.
Real simple, you sound like a fool mouthing off about someone you know nothing about. It makes you look stupid.
You have based your opinion on malicious attacks from competitive businesses and former friends on a forum that were designed to hurt my reputation.
A forum populated by young, immature boys (regardless of age) who are allowed to use foul language and trash whomever they chose without regard for
the laws of libel, slander, and defamation. LS1 Tech survives BECAUSE Trash talking and foul language SELLS just like the NATIONAL INQUIRER and we
all know that the National Inquirer ONLY PRINTS FACTS and true information.
For instance, the vehicle below was tuned by me from 1,500 miles away thru e-mail. This car is aggressive and runs amazing and has more than proven itself.
It's more than enough work to tune a car in person.... but, thru the internet when I can't even see, hear, or feel what it's doing? Come on now....
Here's what I've learned in life and you'd be an even smarter person if you took my advice.
TRULY SMART PEOPLE, know what they don't know. And more importantly, they keep their mouths shut UNLESS they have first hand information or experience
backed up with COLD HARD FACTS.
Running your mouth, when you have no idea of what you're talking about...or quoting FACTS from some internet forum or website....
DOES NOT MAKE YOU SMART.
It makes you look very foolish.
Be smart.
Chuck CoW
Just reading that members repeated libelous posts had me wondering if he was a kid, now I realize with his 25 years experience as a fancy designer has taught him nothing about life or business. Give it a rest man, you're making an absolute fool of yourself. FOR REAL!
Just in case you need to ask, I've not used Chuck to tune my h/c/in/ex/supercharged C6, but I would let him in a heart beat, simply because he doesn't stoop to the level of someone like yourself, who's never used his services to begin with.
Keep your friend's name, I'll be using Chuck to work out a few tune issues I've had with "my local tuner", that couldn't get it right in person after trying for more than two weeks straight of failure using his dyno. Couldn't even get it started, and once it started, it was never the same, stalls, etc. This tuner went to school, has done thousands of LS tunes, but couldn't tune my car complete and finished because of the complexity of all the components involved. I've yet to bash him... Why? It is simply not my style to bash a hard working business man because my build was just a little out of his league.. I shook his hand, paid him his money, and started looking for someone with the skill required to tune a Corvette with similar components in their build. The cars runs and drives, in fact it hauls azz, but it is still not 100%, and 100% is no less or more than I'll accept.
Any business owner that relies on people like you to stir up business for them by bashing others has a lot to learn, regardless of the classes they've taken previous....
My apologies up front to any and all on these forums, I'm usually not one to jump into a thread like this, but enough is enough!
Keith
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Heres an excellent Torque Converter post:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-da-floor.html
The OEM stall is around 1200-1300 RPM. Much too LOW to build any TORQUE.
BC
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-da-floor.html
The OEM stall is around 1200-1300 RPM. Much too LOW to build any TORQUE.
BC
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Heres an excellent Torque Converter post:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-da-floor.html
The OEM stall is around 1200-1300 RPM. Much too LOW to build any TORQUE.
BC
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-da-floor.html
The OEM stall is around 1200-1300 RPM. Much too LOW to build any TORQUE.
BC
Do you or Chuck know of any installations, and have the owners seen any good success in its use? I'm a sucker for a great sales pitch, fortunately though I always do a ton of homework on any upgrades before diving in head first.
In short, I'd love to know your opinion on the unit itself, and if there is significant benefit in tuner options beyond stock my stock PCM.
Chuck, have you tuned any LS motors using the new Haltech 2500? Your thoughts.
Thank you gents...
Beast
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Heres an excellent Torque Converter post:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-da-floor.html
The OEM stall is around 1200-1300 RPM. Much too LOW to build any TORQUE.
BC
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-da-floor.html
The OEM stall is around 1200-1300 RPM. Much too LOW to build any TORQUE.
BC
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I am with Bill Curly and a mess load of others. Chuck is the man...plain and simple. He is very down to earth, knows his stuff, and is extremely friendly. Now I know from some of these posts it looks like a battle war. Fact of the matter is you can't please everybody and especially when people put you down who have never even met you!!! I can say when I first started posting on CorvetteForum, way back 15 years ago, I posted and replied to plenty that I felt came off like jerks or arrogant azz holes. But after meeting them in person at the first ever CorvetteForum Cruise In, just about every single one of them I became friends with! Don't judge a person by their internet cover on here. Give them the benefit of the doubt and meet them! Then make up your mind. I can't say enough good things about Chuck Cow for the way he tuned my car, but even more importantly, how he presents himself! He actually cares for every car he touches, as well as making sure ALL his customers are happy! Bill is 100% right, he will at any time give you his 100% guaranty. Tell him what you would like to get out of his tune. Let him do his magic. If your not feeling its great and are like...hmmm I dunno, I don't really feel any difference? He'll set it back to the way it was and charge you nothing! You got nothing to lose. For me...I took him up on this after I had a tune done from another tuner and felt exactly like this...hmmm I feel nothing? Chuck had the car for a few hours....Yes I said hours! Personal 1 on 1 attention with me and the car present. Once done, I climbed back in the seat. Just in neutral parked, revved it up....holy crap....could tell the difference instantly! So much better throttle response. Feels like a carb/cable driven car. No more stock factory lag!
Again instead of finding ways to become enemies with someone, give them the benefit of the doubt and meet up with them. You may just make a friend and learn a thing or too along the way!
Again instead of finding ways to become enemies with someone, give them the benefit of the doubt and meet up with them. You may just make a friend and learn a thing or too along the way!
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[QUOTE=XtremeVette;1589465476]
Great post... not because it's pro - Chuck, it's just a great post with the kind of attitude and spirit that would make the world a greater place if heeded.
Great post... not because it's pro - Chuck, it's just a great post with the kind of attitude and spirit that would make the world a greater place if heeded.
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[QUOTE=73Corvette;1589466113]Thanks and it is so true...in a world filled with social media and a zillion ways to communicate with people, we often take the easy way out and never actually meet or get to know someone. Often we get the wrong portrayed image of someone by their appearance on the internet. Someone very sarcastic but cool and smart could easily be mistaken for arrogant and dumb. I am sure all get my drift.
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[QUOTE=XtremeVette;1589466183]
Thanks and it is so true...in a world filled with social media and a zillion ways to communicate with people, we often take the easy way out and never actually meet or get to know someone. Often we get the wrong portrayed image of someone by their appearance on the internet. Someone very sarcastic but cool and smart could easily be mistaken for arrogant and dumb. I am sure all get my drift.
Oh yeah...by the way... last but not least...Thank you for your service!
Thanks and it is so true...in a world filled with social media and a zillion ways to communicate with people, we often take the easy way out and never actually meet or get to know someone. Often we get the wrong portrayed image of someone by their appearance on the internet. Someone very sarcastic but cool and smart could easily be mistaken for arrogant and dumb. I am sure all get my drift.
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Its pretty SAD when we can sit behind a KEY BOARD and fix or explain how to fix things that a certified GM Master Mechanic cant find with the car sitting in front of him and access to all the GM Diagnostic one could ever ask for.
There will NEVER be a day when I'm not allowed to fix my own car.
Hell, GM no longer carries or manufactures certain critical parts for the C5.. What are we suppose to do? Stop driving them? Junk them?
Tuners will be fine for a LONG time!!
There will NEVER be a day when I'm not allowed to fix my own car.
Hell, GM no longer carries or manufactures certain critical parts for the C5.. What are we suppose to do? Stop driving them? Junk them?
Tuners will be fine for a LONG time!!
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Closing the thread because it deteriorated into a full-fledged pissin' match. Take it offline, if you want to continue.
Some points worth noting:
Your memory on the situation is faulty. When there started to be a pattern of complaints on unfilled paid orders and fitment issues that were not being addressed, Corvetteforum contacted Pfadt on behalf of its customers for some response.
When none was forthcoming, they were removed as a supporting vendor and we asked for any customers with unresolved issues to let us know who they were so we could assist them in any joint efforts to seek relief.
Forty-five minutes thereafter Pfadt posted a Facebook announcement saying they had filed bankruptcy.
It's worth noting that about the same time the complaints about Pfadt were rolling in, we banned more than a dozen suspicious junior members who had registered to bash Pfadt competitors.
Pfadt since has been purchased by another company which has a good reputation for customer service and we understand they are working to improve some of the Pfadt products that customers previously had problems with. At some point, based on those efforts and their efforts to reach out to former Pfadt customers to assist them, we may allow them to resume sales of Pfadt products here at Corvetteforum.
As to the quality of work performed by Chuck CoW or any other supporting vendor at Corvetteforum, customers are encouraged to post feedback, good or bad, on their experiences and/or their unresolved disputes in the Transactions Feedback section.
That section was created at the request of site users so it would be easy for them to review the experience of other site users before making purchasing decisions on any product or vendor.
We do not allow reviews by third parties who have never done business with a vendor or on products they have never used. If you are going to provide a factual review that might be useful to others, you need to do it based on your own experience, rather than what you might have picked up third-hand.
There are a number of people in this thread who presented themselves as experts based on what they have heard others say. Most of their posts have been deleted since hearsay isn't as useful as first-hand reports.
Some points worth noting:
When none was forthcoming, they were removed as a supporting vendor and we asked for any customers with unresolved issues to let us know who they were so we could assist them in any joint efforts to seek relief.
Forty-five minutes thereafter Pfadt posted a Facebook announcement saying they had filed bankruptcy.
It's worth noting that about the same time the complaints about Pfadt were rolling in, we banned more than a dozen suspicious junior members who had registered to bash Pfadt competitors.
Pfadt since has been purchased by another company which has a good reputation for customer service and we understand they are working to improve some of the Pfadt products that customers previously had problems with. At some point, based on those efforts and their efforts to reach out to former Pfadt customers to assist them, we may allow them to resume sales of Pfadt products here at Corvetteforum.
As to the quality of work performed by Chuck CoW or any other supporting vendor at Corvetteforum, customers are encouraged to post feedback, good or bad, on their experiences and/or their unresolved disputes in the Transactions Feedback section.
That section was created at the request of site users so it would be easy for them to review the experience of other site users before making purchasing decisions on any product or vendor.
We do not allow reviews by third parties who have never done business with a vendor or on products they have never used. If you are going to provide a factual review that might be useful to others, you need to do it based on your own experience, rather than what you might have picked up third-hand.
There are a number of people in this thread who presented themselves as experts based on what they have heard others say. Most of their posts have been deleted since hearsay isn't as useful as first-hand reports.