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From: Reno Nv
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From: Reno Nv
When I first started racing, I was given one of the good shields to replace my "OEM" one on my Bell Helmet, at my second drivers school, I was hit dead-center shield by a chain link off of an F500, I was doing probably 110mph.. it is to date, the loudest noise I have ever heard.
I couldn't find the mark on the shield.
Spend the money, buy good stuff.
Yes that was in an open-wheel car, but as an instructor in closed cars, and as a driver I have had cockpits get filled with sand, grass, debris, rocks and all kinds of other stuff.. I have been hit with rubber off of tires, and seen other debris go into cockpits.
I 100% suggest closed face, good shields, clean them, take care of them. The "no full face with airbags" was a report from a research on F1 cars.. not even street cars.
Jon K
I couldn't find the mark on the shield.
Spend the money, buy good stuff.
Yes that was in an open-wheel car, but as an instructor in closed cars, and as a driver I have had cockpits get filled with sand, grass, debris, rocks and all kinds of other stuff.. I have been hit with rubber off of tires, and seen other debris go into cockpits.
I 100% suggest closed face, good shields, clean them, take care of them. The "no full face with airbags" was a report from a research on F1 cars.. not even street cars.
Jon K
Good Post.I had one student in a Vette with an openface get smacked in the chin by a rock when he went off track. He borrowed on of the school's fullface for the rest of the sessions.
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From: Reno Nv
Pegasus has them, check the supporting guys.
I haven't tried them because this works fairly well:
Take some soap, any nonabrasive kind, and a drop of water. Smear it thinly on the inside of the shield. Let it dry and buff it off with a clean cloth. It works.
Drifting
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From: Georgia
Obviously not the same conditions, but when I used anti-fog for snorkeling (and I tried different brands/methods), I'd have to re-apply after about 15-20 minutes.
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From: King George VA
Codeblack,
While fitting a helmet may be preferable, I've ordered three Simpson helmets via the internet using a tape measure on my head and they've all fit fine.
As for my experiences with fogging, my current helmet is a forced induction helmet so I have no issues with fogging. In the past, I've used anti-fogging applications (same type of stuff I use on my swim goggles) and it works fine.
While fitting a helmet may be preferable, I've ordered three Simpson helmets via the internet using a tape measure on my head and they've all fit fine.
As for my experiences with fogging, my current helmet is a forced induction helmet so I have no issues with fogging. In the past, I've used anti-fogging applications (same type of stuff I use on my swim goggles) and it works fine.
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From: South Carolina
There is not mush of a gap under your helmet if you are wearing a neck donut 
and these flash fires are usually over in a millisecond. With sustained fire, you will pull your Halon switch in under a second before you jump from the car and run a 2 second 100 metre away from the heat 
ask me how I know...
and these flash fires are usually over in a millisecond. With sustained fire, you will pull your Halon switch in under a second before you jump from the car and run a 2 second 100 metre away from the heat ask me how I know...As far as the fire stuff, the first thing I did when I got my Formula Ford is spent a couple of nights learning how to get out of it fast. Since then, that's still one of the things I learn to do in a new/strange car - learn to get out.
I have bailed twice in "anger" both times luckily with steam, and I was pretty sure it was steam, but didn't stay around to wait to see.
Now.. we can have a whole other discussion about steam as a danger in cars.. oneof the worst injuries I have seen in a racecar was steam.
Jon K
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Oval Speed has probably has hundreds Simpson of helemts at a good price forget the net. nothing like trying them on your head. They are open nights! All the short track guys go there.
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From: Reno Nv
Ah.. I do use the neck donuts.. though now in the Pro races and such. we all put on the H&Ns.. no more neck donuts, and the gap is back.
As far as the fire stuff, the first thing I did when I got my Formula Ford is spent a couple of nights learning how to get out of it fast. Since then, that's still one of the things I learn to do in a new/strange car - learn to get out.
I have bailed twice in "anger" both times luckily with steam, and I was pretty sure it was steam, but didn't stay around to wait to see.
Now.. we can have a whole other discussion about steam as a danger in cars.. oneof the worst injuries I have seen in a racecar was steam.
Jon K
As far as the fire stuff, the first thing I did when I got my Formula Ford is spent a couple of nights learning how to get out of it fast. Since then, that's still one of the things I learn to do in a new/strange car - learn to get out.
I have bailed twice in "anger" both times luckily with steam, and I was pretty sure it was steam, but didn't stay around to wait to see.
Now.. we can have a whole other discussion about steam as a danger in cars.. oneof the worst injuries I have seen in a racecar was steam.
Jon K
Jon's got a very good point, practice getting out. When we were renting cars, we always made the driver practice getting out once before going on the track, including knowing where the fire system button was.
Remember when Dale Jr. was on fire in the C5R at Sears Point? he was dumb enough to say on tv that he didn't know where the fire button was.
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From: South Carolina
I had trouble getting out on my Formula Ford once but, it was upside down.
Jon's got a very good point, practice getting out. When we were renting cars, we always made the driver practice getting out once before going on the track, including knowing where the fire system button was.
Remember when Dale Jr. was on fire in the C5R at Sears Point? he was dumb enough to say on tv that he didn't know where the fire button was.
Jon's got a very good point, practice getting out. When we were renting cars, we always made the driver practice getting out once before going on the track, including knowing where the fire system button was.
Remember when Dale Jr. was on fire in the C5R at Sears Point? he was dumb enough to say on tv that he didn't know where the fire button was.
I have not been upside down in a FF yet (only a fun-park go-kart) but I did have a Formula Mazda end up on top of me once.. I went to unbuckle, and there was something in the way, I pushed it away and got out... looked back when I got out.. it was one of the Mazda's front wings..
For the fire system and Jr. I don't get it.. when somone asks me to drive their car the first questions I usually ask are "who built the cage, and what fire system does it have," then what seat, etc..
Jon K
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Drifting
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From: East Northport NY
I'll have to try it on while sitting in the car. how much does the clearance change with the helmet on vs without from the top of your head to the head liner
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Drifting
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From: Shore NJ
This should be a no brainer....full face and shield, any dive shop also sells anti fog spray for the masks and works fine for the shields....
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From: Reno Nv
No but, I have a M2 KevlarPro ( now replaced by the M3 ) and love it.
This is probably my 10th Bell, they're all I'll buy.
The Pro series is a good pick. They are about 1 to 1 1/2 lbs. lighter than the Bell RacerSeries.
I've landed upside down on the rollbar in a Formula car and the seatbelts stretched enough to let the Bell hit the asphalt, walked away.
This is probably my 10th Bell, they're all I'll buy.
The Pro series is a good pick. They are about 1 to 1 1/2 lbs. lighter than the Bell RacerSeries.
I've landed upside down on the rollbar in a Formula car and the seatbelts stretched enough to let the Bell hit the asphalt, walked away.
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From: Gateway To The West - St. Louis Mo.
I switched from a Bell to a Simpson Speedway Shark (www.TeamSimpson.com) last year. Very comfortable full-face helmet and suprisingly light.
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