Time Attack
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Joined: Jul 2001
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From: Detroit's West Side MI
It's tough for anyone to build a car that can compete across multiple organizations. We're already struggling amongst the Corvette W2W guys between NASA and SCCA / TCC rules right now. Cars that are competitive in one series do not necessarily cross over to be competitive in another. And I doubt most are willing to spend the time or money to go back and forth across different setups for different events.
And while I'll agree that import guys don't bite, it is definitely a different group of people than the 'vette racing community, at least here in the Midwest. There's obviously nothing wrong with that, but you can't deny the facts. We wear our baseball caps forward rather than backward, and the only stickers on the car are typically for paying sponsors, not every modification ever put on the car...
And while I'll agree that import guys don't bite, it is definitely a different group of people than the 'vette racing community, at least here in the Midwest. There's obviously nothing wrong with that, but you can't deny the facts. We wear our baseball caps forward rather than backward, and the only stickers on the car are typically for paying sponsors, not every modification ever put on the car...
Melting Slicks
Joined: May 2004
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From: cincinnati ohio
I would love to participate in Time Attacks , as long as they are on this side of the globe.......I think that my car would cross over just fine....
HeavyChevy's ideas are valid......bring the game to the east coast .
HeavyChevy's ideas are valid......bring the game to the east coast .
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Buttonwillow Raceway – March 28th- 29th
Willow Springs Raceway – May 2nd – 3rd
Autobahn Country Club – June 20th- 21st
Nashville Super Speedway – July 25th-26th
Summit Point Raceway – August 15th – 16th
New Jersey Motorsports Park – September 12th – 13th
Spring Mountain Motorsports Park, NV September 26th-27th
Auto Club Speedway – October 17th – 18th
We may be adding an "Invitational" event or two to the schedule. It all depends on what those sponsors want to do. Maybe Road Atlanta.. or Mid Ohio or even Portland International Raceway... We'll see. But the above eight dates are for our Championship Points Events...
I would LOVE to run an event in the South East.. just gotta make it happen.
As for how much power you need in any particular class.. that all depends on what else you've done to your car and how good of a driver you are. We've had 200whp Honda S2000's win events in Street. Sure, they weigh under 2500lbs stock, but they are driven well, have good aero parts installed (splitter, defuser, wing, etc.) and are well tuned.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Oct 2002
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From: Grovetown GA
Nikolas - We have had 130 participants in NASA TT here in the SE this year - the cars and drivers are here if you can get to the area. Many of the cars will fit right in.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Santa Barbara, CA
This is our proposed schedule for next year:
Buttonwillow Raceway – March 28th- 29th
Willow Springs Raceway – May 2nd – 3rd
Autobahn Country Club – June 20th- 21st
Nashville Super Speedway – July 25th-26th
Summit Point Raceway – August 15th – 16th
New Jersey Motorsports Park – September 12th – 13th
Spring Mountain Motorsports Park, NV September 26th-27th
Auto Club Speedway – October 17th – 18th
We may be adding an "Invitational" event or two to the schedule. It all depends on what those sponsors want to do. Maybe Road Atlanta.. or Mid Ohio or even Portland International Raceway... We'll see. But the above eight dates are for our Championship Points Events...
I would LOVE to run an event in the South East.. just gotta make it happen.
As for how much power you need in any particular class.. that all depends on what else you've done to your car and how good of a driver you are. We've had 200whp Honda S2000's win events in Street. Sure, they weigh under 2500lbs stock, but they are driven well, have good aero parts installed (splitter, defuser, wing, etc.) and are well tuned.
Buttonwillow Raceway – March 28th- 29th
Willow Springs Raceway – May 2nd – 3rd
Autobahn Country Club – June 20th- 21st
Nashville Super Speedway – July 25th-26th
Summit Point Raceway – August 15th – 16th
New Jersey Motorsports Park – September 12th – 13th
Spring Mountain Motorsports Park, NV September 26th-27th
Auto Club Speedway – October 17th – 18th
We may be adding an "Invitational" event or two to the schedule. It all depends on what those sponsors want to do. Maybe Road Atlanta.. or Mid Ohio or even Portland International Raceway... We'll see. But the above eight dates are for our Championship Points Events...
I would LOVE to run an event in the South East.. just gotta make it happen.
As for how much power you need in any particular class.. that all depends on what else you've done to your car and how good of a driver you are. We've had 200whp Honda S2000's win events in Street. Sure, they weigh under 2500lbs stock, but they are driven well, have good aero parts installed (splitter, defuser, wing, etc.) and are well tuned.
Which track is bigger Buttonwillow or Willow Springs? Which is more high speed?
Melting Slicks
Joined: Apr 2006
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Aero things like wings should not be allowed in street class. Yes, real aero works very well and is an advantage, but looks super gay on the street. At a track like BW #13 you can lose an easy 2 seconds on your lap times with correct aero. That immediately out classes a true street car. If you allow aero you might as well allow R tires for cars with no aero. That's all part of why I think the rules for time attack need some refining.
-V
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Safety Car
Joined: Sep 2005
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From: Road Atlanta You do the MATH!
Who runs the GT Live event at VIR? Is that you guys too?
Maybe setting up an East Coast region would help so you dont have to travel cross country for every event. I mean, if you truly want this to grow, trying to run it from one coast is going to be prohibitive somewhat to expansion. Allow the schedule/points to accomodate east/west and then intercoastal events.
Just like almost every amatuer Road Racing venue in the country has various regions, you guys could set something up here on the east coast. When you get a regular flow of Corvettes, Mustangs, Vipers, Porsches etc. in addition to what you have now it will be a big hit IMO. I think at some point you'll have to be a little more complex in the classing structure though IMO. Maybe not, but maybe so.
Maybe setting up an East Coast region would help so you dont have to travel cross country for every event. I mean, if you truly want this to grow, trying to run it from one coast is going to be prohibitive somewhat to expansion. Allow the schedule/points to accomodate east/west and then intercoastal events.
Just like almost every amatuer Road Racing venue in the country has various regions, you guys could set something up here on the east coast. When you get a regular flow of Corvettes, Mustangs, Vipers, Porsches etc. in addition to what you have now it will be a big hit IMO. I think at some point you'll have to be a little more complex in the classing structure though IMO. Maybe not, but maybe so.
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Aero things like wings should not be allowed in street class. Yes, real aero works very well and is an advantage, but looks super gay on the street. At a track like BW #13 you can lose an easy 2 seconds on your lap times with correct aero. That immediately out classes a true street car. If you allow aero you might as well allow R tires for cars with no aero. That's all part of why I think the rules for time attack need some refining.
-V
-V
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Who runs the GT Live event at VIR? Is that you guys too?
Maybe setting up an East Coast region would help so you dont have to travel cross country for every event. I mean, if you truly want this to grow, trying to run it from one coast is going to be prohibitive somewhat to expansion. Allow the schedule/points to accomodate east/west and then intercoastal events.
Just like almost every amatuer Road Racing venue in the country has various regions, you guys could set something up here on the east coast. When you get a regular flow of Corvettes, Mustangs, Vipers, Porsches etc. in addition to what you have now it will be a big hit IMO. I think at some point you'll have to be a little more complex in the classing structure though IMO. Maybe not, but maybe so.
Maybe setting up an East Coast region would help so you dont have to travel cross country for every event. I mean, if you truly want this to grow, trying to run it from one coast is going to be prohibitive somewhat to expansion. Allow the schedule/points to accomodate east/west and then intercoastal events.
Just like almost every amatuer Road Racing venue in the country has various regions, you guys could set something up here on the east coast. When you get a regular flow of Corvettes, Mustangs, Vipers, Porsches etc. in addition to what you have now it will be a big hit IMO. I think at some point you'll have to be a little more complex in the classing structure though IMO. Maybe not, but maybe so.
We are going to split up Street Class into West and East... but Modified and Unlimited will remain a nationwide series, mostly due to the cash payouts and Television Coverage for those two classes.
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CWest S2000 just ran a 1:23 there this Summer. I wouldn't be surprised to see times in the 1:21's come our event there next May. ;-)
Melting Slicks
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Really good aero can cost thousands. The airfoil alone that I purchased for my race car was $1500 and I had to make my own mounts which cost me a few hundred in materials as well as probably 20hours in my time for design and fabrication. I'm not sure how well those imitation japanese gt wings work, but real wings that do are not cheap. Mine is one of the least expensive ones that actually works well and is proven on both the race track as well as wind tunnel. Proper splitters and front down force/lift reduction enhancement is expensive as well, and if there is nothing available for whatever car one has it will cost quite a bit in fabrication time. I've been around this game long enough to tell you it is less expensive and time consumning to purchase a set of R compounds than it is to do aero. Actually, some street tires cost more than R's. The street tires will get worn quite a bit anyway if the car is driven hard on the track so it's cost effective to install a dedicated set of track tires for the event.
Just my thoughts, but I think you ought to consider them for a rules revision.
-V
Just my thoughts, but I think you ought to consider them for a rules revision.
-V
Former Vendor
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: Morgan Utah
Sad to not see Miller on the list for next season
I know we had a pretty weak turnout here in June, things are picking up though, more cars are being built. I personally encourage everyone I possibly can to get to the track and off the dang streets!
If you are interested in trying to get one setup here let me know what it will cost and I will see what I can dig up, I would be willing to chip in or should I say my business would
Rick
rick@raamaudio.com
I know we had a pretty weak turnout here in June, things are picking up though, more cars are being built. I personally encourage everyone I possibly can to get to the track and off the dang streets!
If you are interested in trying to get one setup here let me know what it will cost and I will see what I can dig up, I would be willing to chip in or should I say my business would
Rick
rick@raamaudio.com
Burning Brakes
Joined: Sep 2007
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Just as a reminder, the VIR event this year, you need to run high 1 minute to low 2 minute to win in the modified and unlimited class as that's what those guys have been running historically. Street guys will be stuck running on the Patriot course.
Burning Brakes
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The Time Attack crowd is different than the amature racing crowd. Instead of concentrating on tires, suspension and drivers, most of the money is being spent on the engine and bodywork. It's a different type of setup compare to a normal time trial or HPDE event.
Oh, and no stock S2000 is 2500lbs, not the CR or the AP1. They are more 2700-2800lbs.
Oh, and no stock S2000 is 2500lbs, not the CR or the AP1. They are more 2700-2800lbs.
Really good aero can cost thousands. The airfoil alone that I purchased for my race car was $1500 and I had to make my own mounts which cost me a few hundred in materials as well as probably 20hours in my time for design and fabrication. I'm not sure how well those imitation japanese gt wings work, but real wings that do are not cheap. Mine is one of the least expensive ones that actually works well and is proven on both the race track as well as wind tunnel. Proper splitters and front down force/lift reduction enhancement is expensive as well, and if there is nothing available for whatever car one has it will cost quite a bit in fabrication time. I've been around this game long enough to tell you it is less expensive and time consumning to purchase a set of R compounds than it is to do aero. Actually, some street tires cost more than R's. The street tires will get worn quite a bit anyway if the car is driven hard on the track so it's cost effective to install a dedicated set of track tires for the event.
Just my thoughts, but I think you ought to consider them for a rules revision.
-V
Just my thoughts, but I think you ought to consider them for a rules revision.
-V
Instructor
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: laguna niguel ca
Something about that last corner before the straight, felt a little too light on her feet for my blood ( no slicks or downforce)I would def be interested in a time attack at the streets as I've been there about 3 times now. w/slicks and aero maybe i would be competitive.
Last edited by nvygw171; Sep 29, 2008 at 04:14 PM.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Oct 2004
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From: California
wow... wait big track or streets. i was running high 1:20's at the streets and hi 1:30's at the big track.... but the big track def scared me. Something about that last corner before the straight the vette felt a little too light on her feet for my blood ( no slicks or downforce)
but i would def be interested in a time attack at the streets as I've been there about 3 times now. w/slicks and aero i should be pretty competitive.
Something about that last corner before the straight the vette felt a little too light on her feet for my blood ( no slicks or downforce)but i would def be interested in a time attack at the streets as I've been there about 3 times now. w/slicks and aero i should be pretty competitive.
Those times are for the big track.
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The Time Attack crowd is different than the amature racing crowd. Instead of concentrating on tires, suspension and drivers, most of the money is being spent on the engine and bodywork. It's a different type of setup compare to a normal time trial or HPDE event.
Oh, and no stock S2000 is 2500lbs, not the CR or the AP1. They are more 2700-2800lbs.
Oh, and no stock S2000 is 2500lbs, not the CR or the AP1. They are more 2700-2800lbs.
http://www.timeattackforums.com/foru...k-s2000-6.html
That will give you a good idea of what is necessary to be competitive in Mod Class. I'd think with that setup, and a good driver, the car will be capable of 1:55's at Buttonwillow #13. We'll see...
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Sad to not see Miller on the list for next season
I know we had a pretty weak turnout here in June, things are picking up though, more cars are being built. I personally encourage everyone I possibly can to get to the track and off the dang streets!
If you are interested in trying to get one setup here let me know what it will cost and I will see what I can dig up, I would be willing to chip in or should I say my business would
Rick
rick@raamaudio.com
I know we had a pretty weak turnout here in June, things are picking up though, more cars are being built. I personally encourage everyone I possibly can to get to the track and off the dang streets!
If you are interested in trying to get one setup here let me know what it will cost and I will see what I can dig up, I would be willing to chip in or should I say my business would
Rick
rick@raamaudio.com
Shoot me an email: Nikolas@RedlineTrackEvents.com