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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 02:54 AM
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I have not tried the 888's yet, but the RA1's, up to this point, have been the spec tire for american iron which is my class in racing. While they are great in many ways they absolute suck *** in grip compared to hoosiers. It appears as though kumhos are legal which I think should have more grip than the toyos. Years back when I ran them they stuck well, but got greasy. I just wish hoosiers were allowed. They are truly a first class performance tire, but since they are not I'm hunting around for what is "the" tire in the class.
I have to say that in street class with the rules the way they are an AWD has a huge advantage. I'll take AWD with a 255, street tire, restriction, over RWD with a 285, street tire restriction.
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 12:02 PM
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AWD has an advantage in every class, but thats why they are broken down into drivetrain (FWD/RWD/AWD) so your division would consist only of Street RWD cars.

Which Kumhos are you talking about? As long as it is 50 treadwear or above, its Modified Class legal.
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 02:16 PM
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I have not tried the 888's yet, but the RA1's, up to this point, have been the spec tire for american iron which is my class in racing. While they are great in many ways they absolute suck *** in grip compared to hoosiers. It appears as though kumhos are legal which I think should have more grip than the toyos. Years back when I ran them they stuck well, but got greasy. I just wish hoosiers were allowed. They are truly a first class performance tire, but since they are not I'm hunting around for what is "the" tire in the class.
I have to say that in street class with the rules the way they are an AWD has a huge advantage. I'll take AWD with a 255, street tire, restriction, over RWD with a 285, street tire restriction.
the v700's are mod legal, but I think they suck! I'd rather use an RA-1 over a 700. You can always buy nitto nt01's as well since they come in 315's now.

Really, it depends on the course. I'd take a well modded street vette over an AWD car at a track like VIR any day. However, on a track like nashville, probably not. I'm thinking about getting a set of 888's or NT01's this year to run my car in mod (and my v710's for unlimited). but that may mean i need another set of wheels...
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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Ah, I didn't notice that there was separation by drivetrain in street class.
Interesting on the kumhos. It's been quite some time, but I remember them having more grip than the toyos. I'll have to keep that in mind.
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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 04:31 PM
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1) You had mentioned payouts. Can you share what they are and how far they go down the finishing order?

2) What were some of the best times for the top RWD unlimited finishers at the Buttonwillow event?

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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 01:03 PM
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I looked at the 2009 rules. I have a street car that I change coilovers, brake pad and tires for track use. My tires are Goodyear race slicks that would put me in the Unlimited Class. But the Unlimited class requires a 6 point bar while I have a 4 point bar. Does this mean I dont fit the rules and would be excluded? Im interested in the NJ event.
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 03:35 PM
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1) You had mentioned payouts. Can you share what they are and how far they go down the finishing order?

2) What were some of the best times for the top RWD unlimited finishers at the Buttonwillow event?

Thanks,

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I looked at the 2009 rules. I have a street car that I change coilovers, brake pad and tires for track use. My tires are Goodyear race slicks that would put me in the Unlimited Class. But the Unlimited class requires a 6 point bar while I have a 4 point bar. Does this mean I dont fit the rules and would be excluded? Im interested in the NJ event.
Mike
yes, you'd be in "unlimited" but exceptions are made sometimes. Based on the person doing tech and the safety devices in the car, I'd say you could compete. However, if your car had a monster LS7 and was stupid fast, they'd want you to have a full cage.

I teched last year's NJ event, and know the organizers well. However, if you want their input, you can shoot them an email.
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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The rules are a huge departure from any other sanctioning body. Engine can be "built"? One "major" engine mod in the lower classes but if you run anything north of the 285's you're in unlimited??? So you can add a ton of power but you can't add traction unless you go unlimited?

I like the overall idea of "Time Attack" but unless you have a dedicated car, it's a tough sell on crossover participation. I would love to compete but with a car that's running a stock engine less the A/C in unlimited due to the 315 A6's, I'm pretty sure that's asking for a beating.

We have some great tracks in the Great Lakes area that you could draw some real numbers with but the rules would prevent a lot of people I think.

Best of luck to you.
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Interesting. From their "Franchise Opportunity":

'Those teams who choose to be recognized as a franchised team of the Redline Time Attack Series will benefit in the following ways:
• Guaranteed TV coverage on every Redline Time Attack television episode covering a racing event
• Only Franchised teams will be used in Redline’s national marketing and promotional campaigns (magazine ads, fliers, bill boards, merchandising, etc.)
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by spazegun2213
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yes, you'd be in "unlimited" but exceptions are made sometimes. Based on the person doing tech and the safety devices in the car, I'd say you could compete. However, if your car had a monster LS7 and was stupid fast, they'd want you to have a full cage.

I teched last year's NJ event, and know the organizers well. However, if you want their input, you can shoot them an email.
No monster LS7, but I do have a monster LT5 with plenty of power, so Ill need to know max power level for the modified class.
At best, I could put removable angled side bars, but a full cage in a street car is not an option. Ill send them an email as I do need to know if I qualify in advance. Dont want to waste time and money going to the track for nothing. Thanks.
Mike
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 12:18 PM
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Interesting post...

IMO, Power to Weight has always been the fairest way to class any car (preferably in increments of 1).

Mods beyond that (tires, aero, brakes, suspension, etc) should be left to the driver's taste and budget.

With p/w being equal, if you are not competitive due to lack of control, grip, stopping ability etc., shame on you .
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:54 PM
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I sent them an email on 12/24, but never got a response. Maybe they are on a long holiday.
But after looking at their website, it looks like they are a Japanese car club. I only saw a few Mustangs listed or pictured. Do they actually want Corvettes?
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 05:41 AM
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I've pretty much decided that if I can make this happen I'll just deal with my street car being classed in modified so I don't have to run street tires. I currently run R compound hoosiers. 295 front and 315 rear. Unfortunatley those are not allowed in modified so I'm in search of "the best" tire in similar sizes. I've narrowed my choices down to toyo R888, kumho Ecsta V700, Yokohama Advan A048, Michelin Pilot Sport Cups, and Pirelli PZero Corsa System. The sport cups only go up to a 295 so they'll have a little less rubber in the back than any of the others. The Toyos have the highest treadwear of all and I'm very familar with the older R1's. I'm sure they work O.K., but I'm really looking for more grip. Something closer to the hoosiers I'm using. I know that nothing is like a hoosier, but considering my limitations I need the next best thing that has a tread wear of 50 or above. The above mentioned tires all fit the rules. Keep in mind that whatever tire I use it will be shaved. Personally I'm leaning towards the kumhos. I noticed tire rack only lists a 305. I could possibly use that all around, but according to the specs, the kumhos run wider than my hoosiers so I may want a smaller tire up front. Kumho website lists a 285 which should work.
My car is a full street car that's well over 3400lbs with me in it an full fuel. The motor is bone stock LS1. That being said I'm at a huge disadvantage on paper in modified class. I may add a set of headers to get some more power, but the disadvantage is still heavy. With my current suspension setup the car has tons of grip and after looking at the most recent lap records in MRWD class I'm positive I could place on the podium as-is if I were allowed to use the hoosiers. I simply need a legal tire that will help me turn lap times similar to what I could do with my hoosiers.
Any solid advice is appreciated. In particular I am looking for feedback from reasonably well talented drivers.
thanks,
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bowmanized
Yeah you can get to 500rwhp with an LS2, an LS3 maybe 10-15 more. To get that level you need EVERYTHING.

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exhaust would have got me about 10 more probably but I was at 500rwhp with that setup

With the LS3 you could get to 450rwhp with just an intake, cam, headers probably.

I am hoping my next motor will be around 600rwhp.
500 RWHP with an LS3 requires only headers, CAI and a fairly mild cam/spring swap.
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