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Old Dec 13, 2009 | 12:11 AM
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Is there a difference in dimensions between a 1964 frame and a 1966 or a 1967? Reason: I've installed a 454 c.i. bb in my 1964 corvette and I have about 1" clearance between the harmonic balancer and the front crossmember. I would think there would be more. Solution: An underdrive pulley system with dampner pulley combination. Input is welcomed. Thanks.
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Is there a difference in dimensions between a 1964 frame and a 1966 or a 1967? Reason: I've installed a 454 c.i. bb in my 1964 corvette and I have about 1" clearance between the harmonic balancer and the front crossmember. I would think there would be more. Solution: An underdrive pulley system with dampner pulley combination. Input is welcomed. Thanks.
starting in 65, the front crossmember was notched for the clearance needed for the bb pulley system.....most conversions are done with notching the frame first, on an early c2 i have never seen it done without notching the frame....good luck....
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starting in 65, the front crossmember was notched for the clearance needed for the bb pulley system.....most conversions are done with notching the frame first, on an early c2 i have never seen it done without notching the frame....good luck....
midyear you are exactly right. just to elaborate the notch was offset to the passengers side just like engine was. from 65 on all frames had had that notch whether they were SB or BB cars.

holy cows, just a thought, but i worked on tons of C3s. they must have that same notch in the frame. i never noticed or looked. but they must have (they also came with big blocks). all the C2s and C3s were the same...
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1965 was also the first year the rear kickup rails got the indentations for disc brake caliper clearance (I think only a concern if the spring breaks). I think 65 was also when the triangle reinforcements at the rear of the main frame rails appeared - but I'm not 100% sure on that. I think dimensionally however, the major dimensions of the frame are unchanged.
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Thank you for your replys - very helpful. I was not aware of the notch, and yes the engine does set off center slightly. Short of posting a picture of the notch, can you give me an idea of the dimensions and placement of the notch? And if doable, will I loose frame integrity if I attempt to do have it done? Other application would be an entire pulley system made to fit which I would rather not do. FYI, I re-enforced the front end with HV springs, converted to front disc brakes, and HV shocks. Thank you again.
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If you can find a donor crossmember, you can section out the notch area and weld in the notched piece with no loss of frame strength.

In my opinion, if you have an inch of clearance now, that is enough. The engine should not move that much. Run it for awhile and see if you have a problem before you pull it out again.

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Originally Posted by Velocity Vette
Thank you for your replys - very helpful. I was not aware of the notch, and yes the engine does set off center slightly. Short of posting a picture of the notch, can you give me an idea of the dimensions and placement of the notch? And if doable, will I loose frame integrity if I attempt to do have it done? Other application would be an entire pulley system made to fit which I would rather not do. FYI, I re-enforced the front end with HV springs, converted to front disc brakes, and HV shocks. Thank you again.
there is a great pic of the frame in the thread installed a new engine in the 67...look it up
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Need help- Trying to build a temporary frame for my 1964 corvette after it is removed from the chasssis. What and where is the best place to find dimensions to construct this temporary frame. Thanks
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Need help- Trying to build a temporary frame for my 1964 corvette after it is removed from the chasssis. What and where is the best place to find dimensions to construct this temporary frame. Thanks
See Section 2 in the 1964 and 1965 Corvette Shop Manuals - it has the frame dimension drawing that identifies the X-Y-Z dimensions for all the body mounts and gage holes.
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Need help- Trying to build a temporary frame for my 1964 corvette after it is removed from the chasssis. What and where is the best place to find dimensions to construct this temporary frame. Thanks
If you're wanting dimensions for a body dolly you can find them here:
http://lbfun.com/Corvette/Tech/vettetech.html Look in the Tech Section at Body and Frame for Body Dolly. Dave

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Originally Posted by Velocity Vette
Is there a difference in dimensions between a 1964 frame and a 1966 or a 1967? Reason: I've installed a 454 c.i. bb in my 1964 corvette and I have about 1" clearance between the harmonic balancer and the front crossmember. I would think there would be more. Solution: An underdrive pulley system with dampner pulley combination. Input is welcomed. Thanks.
I wouldn't bother with trying to notch the frame. I've seen several years ago in '63s and '64s, and unless they were trying to install the big 8 inch harmonic damper on it with the large pulleys, they never had a clearance issue in running.

The issue they did have was typically there wasn't enough room to change belts, unless you removed the two lower bolts in the pulley to let it swing upward.

Once underdrive pulleys came into common use, the belt issue was solved.

If you are running hot from the underdrive pulley, then change to a smaller pulley on the water pump.

If you are having charging issues, use a smaller pulley on the alternator.

Cutting and welding the frame is a bit of work, and once you do it, the frame is permanently marked.

These pictures show the notch in a '68 frame. If the notch wasn't there, the pulley would clear by about 3/8 inch.





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