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Old 11-18-2010, 10:51 AM
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After nearly being rear-ended twice this summer in the '64, I'd like to change my back up lights to an additional stop light or stop light/blinker. Nothing in the Service Manual shows how the back up lights are wired in the rear and the car is presently in storage so I can't check easily.
My plan is to disconnect the back up light connector at the cowl connection and simply use a jumper wire from the present outboard stop/blinker light in the rear to the inboard back up light wires and replace the white lenses with red. I don't really care if the inboards blink but it would be nice. Most concerned with a second set of stops. What, if anything, will I end up with if I do the above change?? Just trying to plan ahead a bit. Thanks. Dave
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Cut wires to backup bulbs about three or four inches from sockets. I put male/female terminals on them in case I wanted to re-connect. Tap into common brake light wire of rear harness near the brake lights with 3-M wire tap. Run wires to old backup wires at sockets.

Use an ultra-bright RED led light that fits old backup socket. No need to change lens. You will notice new leds light up faster than your incandescent brake lights.
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I dont like the LED lamps to much but i agree with Five Window that they probably will be much more bright than the original ones.
Wonder if i should put them on my car just because of the fact that they are much more bright



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Cut wires to backup bulbs about three or four inches from sockets. I put male/female terminals on them in case I wanted to re-connect. Tap into common brake light wire of rear harness near the brake lights with 3-M wire tap. Run wires to old backup wires at sockets.

Use an ultra-bright RED led light that fits old backup socket. No need to change lens. You will notice new leds light up faster than your incandescent brake lights.
Old 11-18-2010, 01:18 PM
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I sure agree that more red taillights is safer!

May be time to do the real thing?
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Thanks guys. Can I buy the LED bulbs at my local FLAPS or is this something I need to order elsewhere??
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check this thread for a discussion of LED lighting

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...ght-bulbs.html

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Originally Posted by Five Window
Cut wires to backup bulbs about three or four inches from sockets. I put male/female terminals on them in case I wanted to re-connect. Tap into common brake light wire of rear harness near the brake lights with 3-M wire tap. Run wires to old backup wires at sockets.

Use an ultra-bright RED led light that fits old backup socket. No need to change lens. You will notice new leds light up faster than your incandescent brake lights.
If wired as you suggest, then the extra rear tail lights will never illuminate, but the extra brake lights will.
The rear tail lamps have a dual filament, one (low output) for tail lights and one (Higher output) for your brakes. If both were the same output, how would someone know when you applied the brakes at night. The higher output filament is also used for your turn signals.
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Originally Posted by vetsvette2002
If wired as you suggest, then the extra rear tail lights will never illuminate, but the extra brake lights will.
The rear tail lamps have a dual filament, one (low output) for tail lights and one (Higher output) for your brakes. If both were the same output, how would someone know when you applied the brakes at night. The higher output filament is also used for your turn signals.
lol... with backup lights all he has now is the 2 outer lights... he would probably have to change tailight assemblies (unless the C2 lights use plug-in sockets like the C1s). 2 more brake lights, only, would be an improvement...

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Depending upon the age of the vehicle, some states may require a functioning back up light as part of the inspection check list.
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Dont forget the transmission switch!
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Originally Posted by Larry N. Johnson
I sure agree that more red taillights is safer!

May be time to do the real thing?
Beautiful car, Larry. You might be right about it being time to add another back there!! I don't care to hear any more squealing tires coming up behind me!! Dave
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Originally Posted by dkleather
Beautiful car, Larry. You might be right about it being time to add another back there!! I don't care to hear any more squealing tires coming up behind me!! Dave
Not my car but 6 Tail Lights are the envy. The cool black coupe belongs to Jim Thorson of Canada.
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Originally Posted by dkleather
Beautiful car, Larry. You might be right about it being time to add another back there!! I don't care to hear any more squealing tires coming up behind me!! Dave
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I currently run the rear lamps wired as suggested. The outer two are lamps are tail/turn/stop lights. The inner two lamps are turn/stop lights. The effect is that you get a third brake light syndrome. SKY65 said it is a little weird to follow the car when the tail lamps are on. You go from two dim to four bright on application of brakes. You go from two to three when a turn signal is on and you go from two blinking and one on as a tail lamp until brakes are applied when you have two blinking and two as brake lights.
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If you don't want to cut your harness, purchase a regular '64 rear light harness, Back up were optional until '66.

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Originally Posted by Tom McCabe
If you don't want to cut your harness, purchase a regular '64 rear light harness, Back up were optional until '66.

Tom M


I would not do to much cutting if the harness is okay
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Originally Posted by Tom McCabe
If you don't want to cut your harness, purchase a regular '64 rear light harness, Back up were optional until '66.

Tom M
Major chore to replace that harness - it's one piece, and runs from the multiple connector above the driver's side kickpad all the way back to the taillights.

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Originally Posted by TheSaint
I dont like the LED lamps to much but i agree with Five Window that they probably will be much more bright than the original ones.
Wonder if i should put them on my car just because of the fact that they are much more bright
Halogen tail lamp bulbs are brighter than leds and work with existing flashers.
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I'm really considering doing this to my '64 (using my own circuit and saving BIG $$$), but the wife is against it. She may lose but it's not like I drive the car all that often or have people following me to appreciate it.

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The driver of the truck that got my 65 coupe, told me that my car sat to low for him to see it.


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