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Old Sep 11, 2015 | 05:30 PM
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The picture shows the remnants of a bracket that was mounted on the passenger side inner fender just above the battery. It looks like whatever was there was broken off. You can just see the top of the battery and a heater hose. I've searched the AIM without success, unless I'm just overlooking something. Anyone know what this is supposed to be?
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Could the car have been a fuelie ?
IIRC the windshield washer fluid reservoir was relocated on those cars..
I can't think of what else it could be...
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On fuelies equipped with washer systems (standard on 61-62, optional on 58-60) the washer vacuum tank was mounted there. Those are original legs from an original tank. Congratulations, you are the owner of an original fuel-injected car. (Or at least the correct right inner fender for one). I think you have a fuelie. Tell us what year, and we can tell you what else to look for. I'm guessing 62 because the legs have studs in them rather than bolts through them.

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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
Could the car have been a fuelie ?
IIRC the windshield washer fluid reservoir was relocated on those cars..
I can't think of what else it could be...
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a fuelie. The previous owner had the car for 32 years. He gave me a bunch of parts that he had intended to use to restore as a 340 hp car (new cam, heads, re-stamped block, harmonic balancer, etc). What kind of details should I look for that were "fuelie only"?
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Originally Posted by bd hbt
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a fuelie. The previous owner had the car for 32 years. He gave me a bunch of parts that he had intended to use to restore as a 340 hp car (new cam, heads, re-stamped block, harmonic balancer, etc). What kind of details should I look for that were "fuelie only"?
Oblong hole in firewall right behind distributor for the tach cable, a bracket with two 1/4"-20 threaded holes about a foot in front of the rear left corner of the hood opening, in the top of the inner fender, for an air cleaner.

Lack of a washer bottle bracket on the bottom left inner fender.

From the inside, filled holes above the rib on the side of the fender, you may be able to feel them, up above the kickpanels on the inside of the curve of the fender.

A screen on the left front round inlet on the radiator support, rather than block off plate.

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Old Sep 11, 2015 | 06:31 PM
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On fuelies equipped with washer systems (standard on 61-62, optional on 58-60) the washer vacuum tank was mounted there. Those are original legs from an original tank. Congratulations, you are the owner of an original fuel-injected car. (Or at least the correct right inner fender for one). I think you have a fuelie. Tell us what year, and we can tell you what else to look for. I'm guessing 62 because the legs have studs in them rather than bolts through them.
It is a 62. I have pictures of it from about 1980 when it was painted lime green metalflake and gold (very 70's). In the mid-80's, it was painted red w/black interior. Don't really know the original color. It was stripped completely before the repaint. Have pictures of when it was a work in progress. Do the crossed flag emblems on the side use the same holes as the fuel injection emblem?
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[QUOTE=AZDoug;1590470987]Oblong hole in firewall right behind distributor for the tach cable, a bracket with two 1/4"-20 threaded holes about a foot in front of the rear left corner of the hood opening, in the top of the inner fender, for an air cleaner.

Lack of a washer bottle bracket on the bottom left inner fender.

From the inside, filled holes above the rib on the side of the fender, you may be able to feel them, up above the kickpanels on the inside of the curve of the fender.

A screen on the left front round inlet on the radiator support, rather than block off plate.


This is a hole in the firewall (see pic) but it looks round, not oblong. Didn't see any sign of a washer bottle on the left inner fender, but there is a single hole (see pic). There's no screen or block off plate on the left side of the radiator support.
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Oblong hole in firewall right behind distributor for the tach cable, a bracket with two 1/4"-20 threaded holes about a foot in front of the rear left corner of the hood opening, in the top of the inner fender, for an air cleaner.

Lack of a washer bottle bracket on the bottom left inner fender.

From the inside, filled holes above the rib on the side of the fender, you may be able to feel them, up above the kickpanels on the inside of the curve of the fender.

A screen on the left front round inlet on the radiator support, rather than block off plate.


This is a hole in the firewall (see pic) but it looks round, not oblong. Didn't see any sign of a washer bottle on the left inner fender, but there is a single hole (see pic). There's no screen or block off plate on the left side of the radiator support.
To correct a few things:
1) 62 FI emblems were small and located below the side cross flags.
2) 62 tach cable holes were not oblong. They were round. In your firewall picture, do you see the dimple in the glass near the round hole? If it was a carbureted car, the factory would have used the hole saw with that as a centering hole. There was another similar dimple several inches from it. They used a hole saw in that one if it was an FI car. Guess What? Congratulations--you have a 62 fuelie.
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To correct a few things:
1) 62 FI emblems were small and located below the side cross flags.
2) 62 tach cable holes were not oblong. They were round. In your firewall picture, do you see the dimple in the glass near the round hole? If it was a carbureted car, the factory would have used the hole saw with that as a centering hole. There was another similar dimple several inches from it. They used a hole saw in that one if it was an FI car. Guess What? Congratulations--you have a 62 fuelie.
Holy crap! It's nice to know and will be an interesting topic of discussion, but I can't imagine the cost of bringing it back to near original. Of course, the bare block that I have is a re-stamp and there is no fuel unit. It does have the original trans and rear. I'm almost finished with a complete re-wire. I was thinking of installing a 383 (currently has a 350 with the 340 HP intake) but maybe I'll use the 327 re-stamp instead. Thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted by AZDoug

A screen on the left front round inlet on the radiator support, rather than block off plate.
No screen was used on fuelies. The opening simply wasn't covered. As a result, the four screw holes for the block off plate should be virgin..... no evidence of sheet metal screws ever having been threaded into them.

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No screen was used on fuelies. The opening simply wasn't covered. As a result, the four screw holes for the block off plate should be virgin..... no evidence of sheet metal screws ever having been threaded into them.

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This is interesting! Holes look to have never been used. Curiously, on the driver's side of the radiator surround, the round flange that accepts the intake connection is not perfectly round. It has a small area on the driver's side of the round flange that is slightly flat, directly next to a reinforcement for the hood support. Does this have any significance or is it just an area that was damaged in the last 50 years?
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Originally Posted by bd hbt
This is interesting! Holes look to have never been used.
That's a good sign (if you want your car to be a former factory fuelie (say that three times fast)). If there had been screws in those holes at one time, you would see the upset in the sheet metal (and you could feel it with your finger) on the engine-side of that support.

Curiously, on the driver's side of the radiator surround, the round flange that accepts the intake connection is not perfectly round. It has a small area on the driver's side of the round flange that is slightly flat, directly next to a reinforcement for the hood support. Does this have any significance or is it just an area that was damaged in the last 50 years?
Well, hmmmm..... can't say I ever noticed anything similar on my '60 fuelie. So my hunch is that it's just a bit of damage. Can you post a picture?

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That's a good sign (if you want your car to be a former factory fuelie (say that three times fast)). If there had been screws in those holes at one time, you would see the upset in the sheet metal (and you could feel it with your finger) on the engine-side of that support.



Well, hmmmm..... can't say I ever noticed anything similar on my '60 fuelie. So my hunch is that it's just a bit of damage. Can you post a picture?

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The first pic shows the intake area with the flat spot next to the metal support bracket for the hood support. The next pic shows what I think is one of the unused screw holes in the radiator surround. The next one shows the inside of the passenger side fender with what appears to be a patch over what may have been the holes for the fuel injection emblem. This is duplicated on the driver side. The next pic shows the inside of the passenger fender, behind the kick panel, with the number "220". Any idea what this means? And the final pic shows the heater box damage (cardboard). Does anyone have any tips on how to repair this? Thanks for the help.
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Originally Posted by bd hbt
The first pic shows the intake area with the flat spot next to the metal support bracket for the hood support. The next pic shows what I think is one of the unused screw holes in the radiator surround. The next one shows the inside of the passenger side fender with what appears to be a patch over what may have been the holes for the fuel injection emblem. This is duplicated on the driver side. The next pic shows the inside of the passenger fender, behind the kick panel, with the number "220". Any idea what this means? And the final pic shows the heater box damage (cardboard). Does anyone have any tips on how to repair this? Thanks for the help.
The first picture just looks like damage; I haven't seen anything like that on other cars.

That's a pristine screw hole so I'll claim that air inlet has never had a block off plate if the other three holes are similar.

"220" would have been the job number assigned to your car as it went down the assembly line. You should find that number in several places. It doesn't relate in any usable way to whether or not your car was a fuelie from the factory.

That said, it's looking more and more like your car might have been a fuelie.

Have you looked for the nut plate which would have helped mount the FI air cleaner? It's on the left inner fender (if present), just below the fender, about half way (front to rear) of the length of the hood opening. From the engine bay you ought to see two 1/4-20 threaded holes with a rivet in between. From the left front wheel well, you can look up and see the nut plate itself, probably partially covered by fiberglass glop.

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Originally Posted by jim lockwood
The first picture just looks like damage; I haven't seen anything like that on other cars.

That's a pristine screw hole so I'll claim that air inlet has never had a block off plate if the other three holes are similar.

"220" would have been the job number assigned to your car as it went down the assembly line. You should find that number in several places. It doesn't relate in any usable way to whether or not your car was a fuelie from the factory.

That said, it's looking more and more like your car might have been a fuelie.

Have you looked for the nut plate which would have helped mount the FI air cleaner? It's on the left inner fender (if present), just below the fender, about half way (front to rear) of the length of the hood opening. From the engine bay you ought to see two 1/4-20 threaded holes with a rivet in between. From the left front wheel well, you can look up and see the nut plate itself, probably partially covered by fiberglass glop.

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There's no nut plate visible, but it looks like there was at one time. See the picture.
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Originally Posted by bd hbt
There's no nut plate visible, but it looks like there was at one time. See the picture.
It clearly was there. A no-doubt fuelie.
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Here are a couple of pictures of my 61 FI car showing the same bracket that you have.
I believe that is the bracket for the vacuum tank and take note of the washer bottle bracket.
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Here are a couple of pictures of my 61 FI car showing the same bracket that you have.
I believe that is the bracket for the vacuum tank and take note of the washer bottle bracket.
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Thanks for the additional info. The holes for the washer bottle bracket are there on the inner fender too!
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It was a fuelie in its past life - which is what I proposed way back in post #2; regardless of the history you think you know. In 50+ years this cars have had more stuff done to them than you can imagine.

Lots of folks decades back considered the fuel injection unreliable and cantankerous and many units were discarded to put carbs on the car so the 'average Joe' mechanic could diddle with it.

At this point merely an interesting factoid about your car; I wouldn't count on it increasing the value much with the original induction system long gone..
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
It was a fuelie in its past life - which is what I proposed way back in post #2; regardless of the history you think you know. In 50+ years this cars have had more stuff done to them than you can imagine.

Lots of folks decades back considered the fuel injection unreliable and cantankerous and many units were discarded to put carbs on the car so the 'average Joe' mechanic could diddle with it.

At this point merely an interesting factoid about your car; I wouldn't count on it increasing the value much with the original induction system long gone..
Agreed. It has been an interesting exercise though. I'm going to keep the thread for posterity. I remember that the son of my second grade teacher had a 62 Roman Red fuelie in my small town. He traded it in for a 66 Plymouth street hemi.
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