Ok, so you think NCRS judging is difficult......
12-02-2017, 08:57 PM
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Even more impressive to me are the guys who take the '50s through early '70s vintage cars on a 1000 mile rally. I just got back from one, the Texas 1000, where 20 of the 30 cars entered were '50s to early '70s. 4 tough days through tough roads and foggy, nasty weather, in Big Bend, and these cars (mostly) performed flawlessly........
Too many guys with older cars rarely if ever take them to a track. I do track time whenever I can, and probably 98% of the time my '69 is the oldest car there (and usually by a decade or two).Last edited by mikelj; 12-02-2017 at 09:00 PM.
12-03-2017, 10:29 AM
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This is why I dont belong to any car clubs anymore. I like all types of cars and the people that enjoy the hobby also. I joined a club when I bought my 63. First meeting a fellow member says what do u have? I say 63 coupe. He says they r not much and proceeds to tell me how bad they ride and how bad they r built. I say what do u have? He says a 74 convertible. I tell him nice car. Never went back. I like NCRS cars and original un-restored and hot rods. I seem to be going to more NSRA shows and Good Guys shows.
Just have to laugh and move on, as you obviously did!
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12-03-2017, 11:01 AM
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FWIW, if these types had their way, they'd be nearly alone on the board. Everybody would agree with them, but it would be lonely. I suppose that would make them happy, though - "winning the forum"
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12-03-2017, 12:26 PM
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Joe
I hear you 5 x 5. And understand. I have been a member of SACC for about 8 years because my buds back home all own stiff axle cars. The only way I will ever own one is if someone gives me one. They don't float my boat like the floppy axles do. But, I keep renewing, National and SoCAL. Just because I have passion for the marque. And I'm in 6 different NCRS chapters, just because I like people in all of those chapters. That's why you should be a member. You have the passion. And minds are opening, slowly. Meets come around near you occasionally and you like to attend. I know, from first hand experience. As long as you are breathing, and own your 65, you should be in. That's it buddy.
One more thing Joe, Vinnie only sends out the Driveline 6 times a year, and the Restorer 4 times a year. So, the mags you are throwing out month after month must be your Better Homes & Gardens, Teen Life, or MAD that I know you take.
I hear you 5 x 5. And understand. I have been a member of SACC for about 8 years because my buds back home all own stiff axle cars. The only way I will ever own one is if someone gives me one. They don't float my boat like the floppy axles do. But, I keep renewing, National and SoCAL. Just because I have passion for the marque. And I'm in 6 different NCRS chapters, just because I like people in all of those chapters. That's why you should be a member. You have the passion. And minds are opening, slowly. Meets come around near you occasionally and you like to attend. I know, from first hand experience. As long as you are breathing, and own your 65, you should be in. That's it buddy.
One more thing Joe, Vinnie only sends out the Driveline 6 times a year, and the Restorer 4 times a year. So, the mags you are throwing out month after month must be your Better Homes & Gardens, Teen Life, or MAD that I know you take.
So 6 Drivelines plus 4 Restorers makes ten not twelve. I'm off by a coupla months. Sue me.
12-03-2017, 04:29 PM
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The Restorers come attached to the Driveline, when they come out, so you are only getting mag(s) ever two months. 6 times a year, not twelve. So you are not trashing club mag(s) 'everyone month'. You're exaggerating! So, it really would not be a hardship for you to be in the club, and you could get back onto the DB and argue with Duke. Life's short, come on back.
And look for my lawyer's letter; it's in the mail.....
And look for my lawyer's letter; it's in the mail.....
12-03-2017, 04:58 PM
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Unfortunately, this forum has received some similar feedback from people who have left because of some know-it-alls that have a need to insult others who don't automatically agree with them or genuflect to their "greatness."
FWIW, if these types had their way, they'd be nearly alone on the board. Everybody would agree with them, but it would be lonely. I suppose that would make them happy, though - "winning the forum"
Kevin
FWIW, if these types had their way, they'd be nearly alone on the board. Everybody would agree with them, but it would be lonely. I suppose that would make them happy, though - "winning the forum"
Kevin
12-04-2017, 02:47 AM
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I have enjoyed my 60 Vette for the 37 years I have had it and have no aspirations of having a "nice restored original car", as you put it, with the fake reproduction parts that are used in a so called restoration.
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12-04-2017, 03:44 AM
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This is why I dont belong to any car clubs anymore. I like all types of cars and the people that enjoy the hobby also. I joined a club when I bought my 63. First meeting a fellow member says what do u have? I say 63 coupe. He says they r not much and proceeds to tell me how bad they ride and how bad they r built. I say what do u have? He says a 74 convertible. I tell him nice car. Never went back. I like NCRS cars and original un-restored and hot rods. I seem to be going to more NSRA shows and Good Guys shows.
I also have a 55 T-Bird which I bought in 1970, which was my wife's favorite car and daily driver, before she passed away, we always enjoyed the T-Bird folks so we ended up spending more time with them.
I drive the Vette on a daily basis, several thousand miles a year, weather permitting, The T-Bird is a lot better car but the Vette is more fun.
Bill
12-04-2017, 06:44 AM
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Maybe I was younger, maybe the hobby was different (without the money-grubbers, internet trolls and correctness wonks), maybe it was a different marquee -- but my days in the late 70's and throughout the 80's in the Mustang hobby was a joy.
A phone call would have 3-5 guys over your house to help with a big project. Nobody was damning another's vehicle or their abilities (a common attack here lately) and we drove the living snot out of our cars.
The MCA (Mustang Club of America) was a group of like-minded folks of this same ilk and was a side gig to the over-riding pleasure of owning, maintaining and driving the cars. It's work wasn't a benchmark to establish the sale-ability of one's car.
Having said all that....I picked up a pristine, original 63 hood from Texas in the Driveline via an ad and I saved the equivalent of about 10 years worth of NCRS membership dues on the purchase over what I was seeing elsewhere....the seller didn't advertise anywhere else...and I had been looking for 4 months for this part.
For all you tight-asses that think $40/year is an outrage...
A phone call would have 3-5 guys over your house to help with a big project. Nobody was damning another's vehicle or their abilities (a common attack here lately) and we drove the living snot out of our cars.
The MCA (Mustang Club of America) was a group of like-minded folks of this same ilk and was a side gig to the over-riding pleasure of owning, maintaining and driving the cars. It's work wasn't a benchmark to establish the sale-ability of one's car.
Having said all that....I picked up a pristine, original 63 hood from Texas in the Driveline via an ad and I saved the equivalent of about 10 years worth of NCRS membership dues on the purchase over what I was seeing elsewhere....the seller didn't advertise anywhere else...and I had been looking for 4 months for this part.
For all you tight-asses that think $40/year is an outrage...
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12-05-2017, 08:45 AM
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I would enter the hemi powered car into flight judging just to see how many pages of judging sheets it would tale to document all of the "atypical of factory production" aspects of the car.
12-05-2017, 11:53 AM
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12-05-2017, 02:47 PM
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Not quite....I appreciate the restored and/or original cars, but I'm not envious, and I'm certain there are others like me.
I've got a '65 vert that looks correct, but I'm sure it's not...and that's fine by me.
I'm not going to replace a part with something from Autozone, but then again, I'm fine with something that isn't date matched.
The NCRS guys have a lot of knowledge, and I have no problem learning from them. But I have absolutely no interest in getting my car judged.
I bought it to enjoy it...and that's not sweating over correct bolts...
Different strokes for different folks...there's room in the Hobby for all...
I've got a '65 vert that looks correct, but I'm sure it's not...and that's fine by me.
I'm not going to replace a part with something from Autozone, but then again, I'm fine with something that isn't date matched.
The NCRS guys have a lot of knowledge, and I have no problem learning from them. But I have absolutely no interest in getting my car judged.
I bought it to enjoy it...and that's not sweating over correct bolts...
Different strokes for different folks...there's room in the Hobby for all...
I think it safe to say that most here appreciate original as well as survivor cars for what they are. Great that there are many fine examples out there. But envious?..........uh, no. There are many not so correct cars that look just as good.
NCRS: It just seems to me there are some who go to great lengths to borrow a correct part from someone else's car or hide or make undetectable to the judges certain things. .. Nothing envious there.
John
12-05-2017, 03:25 PM
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Also in the same boat with my '64. .. Excepting some add on creature comforts, mainly AC and cruise control, as well as some under hood mods, the car looks stock on the exterior. The car is a driver and always will be.
I think it safe to say that most here appreciate original as well as survivor cars for what they are. Great that there are many fine examples out there. But envious?..........uh, no. There are many not so correct cars that look just as good.
NCRS: It just seems to me there are some who go to great lengths to borrow a correct part from someone else's car or hide or make undetectable to the judges certain things. .. Nothing envious there.
John
I think it safe to say that most here appreciate original as well as survivor cars for what they are. Great that there are many fine examples out there. But envious?..........uh, no. There are many not so correct cars that look just as good.
NCRS: It just seems to me there are some who go to great lengths to borrow a correct part from someone else's car or hide or make undetectable to the judges certain things. .. Nothing envious there.
John
And all of those nice, helpful judges worked so hard to make my car worth more than it should be. They don't even get paid! How nice of them!
12-05-2017, 03:44 PM
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you're welcome.
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There was a discussion a while back (a serious discussion) about parts rental for the purposes of getting a car through NCRS judging.
So your 1956 single four barrel Corvette is missing a correct 11 inch air cleaner. You can buy one for $1200 or so, or rent one for a day for $100 (plus a healthy deposit).
The concept would only apply to easy to install parts and parts that would not deteriorate with very limited use.
AS you can well imagine, NCRS was not fond of the idea.
So your 1956 single four barrel Corvette is missing a correct 11 inch air cleaner. You can buy one for $1200 or so, or rent one for a day for $100 (plus a healthy deposit).
The concept would only apply to easy to install parts and parts that would not deteriorate with very limited use.
AS you can well imagine, NCRS was not fond of the idea.
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12-05-2017, 04:29 PM
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Bull Sh-t makes the grass go green. That is a typical comment from a person that has the "I got mine syndrome", mine is gold yours is sh-t.
I have enjoyed my 60 Vette for the 37 years I have had it and have no aspirations of having a "nice restored original car", as you put it, with the fake reproduction parts that are used in a so called restoration.
Bill
I have enjoyed my 60 Vette for the 37 years I have had it and have no aspirations of having a "nice restored original car", as you put it, with the fake reproduction parts that are used in a so called restoration.
Bill
12-05-2017, 05:43 PM
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There was a discussion a while back (a serious discussion) about parts rental for the purposes of getting a car through NCRS judging.
So your 1956 single four barrel Corvette is missing a correct 11 inch air cleaner. You can buy one for $1200 or so, or rent one for a day for $100 (plus a healthy deposit).
The concept would only apply to easy to install parts and parts that would not deteriorate with very limited use.
AS you can well imagine, NCRS was not fond of the idea.
So your 1956 single four barrel Corvette is missing a correct 11 inch air cleaner. You can buy one for $1200 or so, or rent one for a day for $100 (plus a healthy deposit).
The concept would only apply to easy to install parts and parts that would not deteriorate with very limited use.
AS you can well imagine, NCRS was not fond of the idea.
12-05-2017, 06:04 PM
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John