Vintage Corvette tragedy
#61
Team Owner
I guess the cops 'rushed to judgement' when they said alcohol was involved. Really ?
They don't say that lightly or without cause....even so, if you're too dumb to wear your seat belt you become a 'meat missile' and your survival chances drop to nil.
Cut it any way you want it - this guy was big time contributory to his on demise.
They don't say that lightly or without cause....even so, if you're too dumb to wear your seat belt you become a 'meat missile' and your survival chances drop to nil.
Cut it any way you want it - this guy was big time contributory to his on demise.
#62
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The article said “alcohol appears to have been a factor” - not exactly a definitive or conclusive statement. But hey, lets all trash the guy before the facts are known.
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#63
Melting Slicks
I guess the cops 'rushed to judgement' when they said alcohol was involved. Really ?
They don't say that lightly or without cause....even so, if you're too dumb to wear your seat belt you become a 'meat missile' and your survival chances drop to nil.
Cut it any way you want it - this guy was big time contributory to his on demise.
They don't say that lightly or without cause....even so, if you're too dumb to wear your seat belt you become a 'meat missile' and your survival chances drop to nil.
Cut it any way you want it - this guy was big time contributory to his on demise.
What they say and what the actual facts are can be two different things. Was alcohol the main factor and what were the circumstances and actual cause of the accident. I was involved in a single car accident and the Sheriff's Deputy lied thru his teeth on the witness stand after falsifying the accident report which included making up fictitious witnesses with fictitious addresses and phone numbers. What was written in the accident report was total bullshit and the actual facts were never mentioned. The Judge agreed and stated "It looks like the State didn't do it's job, case dismissed."
I suppose all motorcycle riders are meat missiles, dumb and big time contributors to their own demise.
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#64
My self included most cars didn't have seat belts .We took these cars all out had a couple beers under our belts .
The speedometers were bouncing off the far end ,the bias tires holding .Luck and God was with many of us .It was part of the corvette Heritage . That's the way it was don't condemn this guy till all the facts are out .At his age he wasn't all out he wouldn't want to wreck his ride .I think the wheel came off .Now a day's 3 beers you are drunk . I lived it saw many guys who were pulled by a fender
going all out My self included would change it for nothing.
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#65
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What they say and what the actual facts are can be two different things. Was alcohol the main factor and what were the circumstances and actual cause of the accident. I was involved in a single car accident and the Sheriff's Deputy lied thru his teeth on the witness stand after falsifying the accident report which included making up fictitious witnesses with fictitious addresses and phone numbers. What was written in the accident report was total bullshit and the actual facts were never mentioned. The Judge agreed and stated "It looks like the State didn't do it's job, case dismissed."
I suppose all motorcycle riders are meat missiles, dumb and big time contributors to their own demise.
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I suppose all motorcycle riders are meat missiles, dumb and big time contributors to their own demise.
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I still ride on rare occasions but yeah if you don’t take appropriate precautions you can (and many do) pay the price. So I don’t get your point.
I had a bad C2 wreck not long ago in spite of all I could do to avoid it Seat belts may have saved my life. This guy was W-R-O-N-G any way you cut it. And reminds me of the irresponsible man that hit me.
Done here.
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#66
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if the driver was your child, brother, or dad-
the folks damning the driver on this thread would probably not feel the same way as the badasses they have proclaimed to be on this thread.
Sad all the way around to me.
the folks damning the driver on this thread would probably not feel the same way as the badasses they have proclaimed to be on this thread.
Sad all the way around to me.
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But I agree it’s a shame he lost his life, even if it was his own doing, but also glad nobody else was injured or killed.
#68
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How many of my friends during the 60s did drag race .
My self included most cars didn't have seat belts .We took these cars all out had a couple beers under our belts .
The speedometers were bouncing off the far end ,the bias tires holding .Luck and God was with many of us .It was part of the corvette Heritage . That's the way it was don't condemn this guy till all the facts are out .At his age he wasn't all out he wouldn't want to wreck his ride .I think the wheel came off .Now a day's 3 beers you are drunk . I lived it saw many guys who were pulled by a fender
going all out My self included would change it for nothing.
My self included most cars didn't have seat belts .We took these cars all out had a couple beers under our belts .
The speedometers were bouncing off the far end ,the bias tires holding .Luck and God was with many of us .It was part of the corvette Heritage . That's the way it was don't condemn this guy till all the facts are out .At his age he wasn't all out he wouldn't want to wreck his ride .I think the wheel came off .Now a day's 3 beers you are drunk . I lived it saw many guys who were pulled by a fender
going all out My self included would change it for nothing.
#69
I'm glad he didn't take anyone with him.
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Speak for yourself if you did that sort of thing . Not everyone did . Some of us were mature even at that age . Some say that everyone laid rubber at that age too . I should have been so lucky to have the money to buy new tires . It's things like that that make you mature early .
#71
Aside from alcohol, seat belts, K.O. safety, social targeting etc, etc.
C2 corvettes are an inherently unsafe vehicle to operate and that goes double for a convertible.
These cars by today’s standards can be equated with riding in and “eggshell” with four wheels.
One should take care and be EXTRA vigilant when operating these cars.
Be safe!
C2 corvettes are an inherently unsafe vehicle to operate and that goes double for a convertible.
These cars by today’s standards can be equated with riding in and “eggshell” with four wheels.
One should take care and be EXTRA vigilant when operating these cars.
Be safe!
#72
Which one of you commenting has never had a drink or two before getting behind the wheel. If you haven't you are in a very small minority. I at least tried to research this before making any comment. He looks just like any other usual guy to me. We know no facts other than he wrecked, had no seat belt, and alcohol 'may' have been involved. In today's world I get even more frustrated with drivers using cell phones. They almost always are driving 10-15 mph under the speed limit, roam all over the road, and could care less about others on the road with them.
https://www.schillingfhg.com/notices...andy-HaydockJr
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#73
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#76
Race Director
I rode bikes in Virginia in the 60s without a helmet at triple digit speeds on public roads. Yeah — dumb.
I still ride on rare occasions but yeah if you don’t take appropriate precautions you can (and many do) pay the price. So I don’t get your point.
I had a bad C2 wreck not long ago in spite of all I could do to avoid it Seat belts may have saved my life. This guy was W-R-O-N-G any way you cut it. And reminds me of the irresponsible man that hit me.
Done here.
Transference is a powerful emotion.
#77
Speak for yourself if you did that sort of thing . Not everyone did . Some of us were mature even at that age . Some say that everyone laid rubber at that age too . I should have been so lucky to have the money to buy new tires . It's things like that that make you mature early .
Some us take different roads to get to where we are at Mature or not.