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Where did I say I outclass everyone else? All I said was that a C3 can certainly run with a C5 or 6 if it is heavily modified. It certainly has much more straight line speed potential if it has a big block motor in it. This forum has proof without my input. I saw a video of someone here who passed two C5's in one straightaway in a road race competition. A C3 has certain advantages despite some disadvantages. For one thing a C3 is not restricted by emissions regulations, catalytic converters, gas consumption requirements, etc. The day a stock C6 can beat my worked LS6 is the day I blow my tranny. Another part of enjoying a C3 is that you CAN improve it so much. I can buy a new C6 if I want to. What fun is there in just plopping down a check rather than building your car up with your own ideas and who knows what potential?
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Originally Posted by Alexarz
Twin Turbo, your real name is not frankenstein is it? Your suspension that you are boasting about seems a bit frankensteinian, in my humble opinion. Let us know if it works when you are finished.
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St. Jude Donor '07
Originally Posted by Alexarz
I have heavily modified the motor, which was an LS6 crate motor to begin with. It is now pushing about 650 hp without any nitrous or other detrimental contraptions. The suspension is fully modified as well, from Herb Adams sway bars, steeroids rack 'n pinion, to poly this and that, etc. etc. The only thing left to bring into automotive current standards are the brakes. While $4000 is a lot of money for rotors, it is not even a down payment for a new vette. If you put down 15k on a new vette, what will your payments be every month? In my opinion, in the grand scheme of things, $4000 is not that much money. These C3 vettes are a financial black hole, lets face it. Why stop now (no pun intended)?
A 30 year old car beating them would be obnoxious enough and certainly much more likely than you think, in my opinion. Sure they must be modified. I am not denying that. However, a 454 built to the hilt will blow the doors off of a Viper or Porsche. Ferrari's are overpriced, over-hyped rubbish. Go look at how one is built and tell me it is a well made car. I like how the new Viper's look but they are not so untouchable. Dodge merely modernized what Chevrolet created many years ago. Fortunately for us, there are many vendors providing things to keep our cars competitive (performance wise) with new cars. They will never be as refined as a new car but they sure can go as fast, if not faster. I even saw a video on this forum of a C3 blowing past 2 C5's on a roadrace course as if their engines blew (72 Ray - username who supplied video). Now how did that happen?
Sure you can read the nonsense in a new magazine when they compare a 1969 vette against a new one. Funny, how they pick a 427 with an automatic trans and a 3.08 rear! Look at those skinny tires!! Come on now. Put some flares on that vette with some modern 315/35/17 BFGoodrich's on the rear. A big block needs headers to begin with. The suspension must be heavily modified to bring them up to date, which is only fair in head to head comparisons. Show me a new vette or Viper that can beat a ZL1 vette or a 427 Cobra (which by the way, was compared not too long ago to a viper and blew it off the track). I drove a C6 vette and I admit it pulled harder than I expected. I liked it quite a bit, if it were not so ugly. However, it was nowhere in the same ballpark as my worked 454 LS6. The new Z06 is going to be a beast that will probably put the new vettes out of reach once and for all. I'm just glad it is Chevy who is doing it this time.
A 30 year old car beating them would be obnoxious enough and certainly much more likely than you think, in my opinion. Sure they must be modified. I am not denying that. However, a 454 built to the hilt will blow the doors off of a Viper or Porsche. Ferrari's are overpriced, over-hyped rubbish. Go look at how one is built and tell me it is a well made car. I like how the new Viper's look but they are not so untouchable. Dodge merely modernized what Chevrolet created many years ago. Fortunately for us, there are many vendors providing things to keep our cars competitive (performance wise) with new cars. They will never be as refined as a new car but they sure can go as fast, if not faster. I even saw a video on this forum of a C3 blowing past 2 C5's on a roadrace course as if their engines blew (72 Ray - username who supplied video). Now how did that happen?
Sure you can read the nonsense in a new magazine when they compare a 1969 vette against a new one. Funny, how they pick a 427 with an automatic trans and a 3.08 rear! Look at those skinny tires!! Come on now. Put some flares on that vette with some modern 315/35/17 BFGoodrich's on the rear. A big block needs headers to begin with. The suspension must be heavily modified to bring them up to date, which is only fair in head to head comparisons. Show me a new vette or Viper that can beat a ZL1 vette or a 427 Cobra (which by the way, was compared not too long ago to a viper and blew it off the track). I drove a C6 vette and I admit it pulled harder than I expected. I liked it quite a bit, if it were not so ugly. However, it was nowhere in the same ballpark as my worked 454 LS6. The new Z06 is going to be a beast that will probably put the new vettes out of reach once and for all. I'm just glad it is Chevy who is doing it this time.
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I saw that video. It was member 72Ray who posted it. It clearly showed a C3 vette roasting two C5's. I am sure it was a worked C3 though.
I agree with Jay. It seems to me that Alexarz was trying to research some C3 possibilities and was being attacked for caring about his C3's preservation on the higher end of the food chain. The topic is titanium rotors. From what I have read in the few examples of fact, they seem to have some very promising merit. It is my opinion that any car can whip any car within reason depending on what is done to it. I saw an article about "Big Red", a '69 camaro that has beaten everything including Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, Vipers and everything else thrown to it. If a camaro can do it, why not a vette?
I agree with Jay. It seems to me that Alexarz was trying to research some C3 possibilities and was being attacked for caring about his C3's preservation on the higher end of the food chain. The topic is titanium rotors. From what I have read in the few examples of fact, they seem to have some very promising merit. It is my opinion that any car can whip any car within reason depending on what is done to it. I saw an article about "Big Red", a '69 camaro that has beaten everything including Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, Vipers and everything else thrown to it. If a camaro can do it, why not a vette?
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Atkins will not help lol. There is two kinds of weight one is Mass the other is un sprung weight. The mass of the vehicle is just weight where as any component that moves for the suspension is un sprung weight. The lighter you can make the components of the suspension the better the handling due to the faster response of the suspension to overcome its mass.
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From: Kissimmee Fl
"Heavily modified" is subjective, I suppose. My engine was a crate LS6 that I bought new. I have, since breaking it in, modified it as so. I went to a solid roller cam with 646 lift, 242 duration @.050. I have stainless roller rockers, a Weiand Team G intake, Speed Demon carb, Pro Topline aluminum heads, aluminum flywheel, hooker sidepipes with spiral turbo baffles and that is about it. The compression ratio is about 11 to 1. I wanted to keep the car reasonable and reliable, so I am not using nitrous or a supercharger. I also have a Keisler 5 speed with a .64 5th gear. My top speed is expected to be well over 300mph! Just kidding.................don't freak out Twin Turbo! In the suspension, I have titanium coil springs in the front, rated at 550, 420 rate rear composite springs, Herb Adams sway bars, QA1 aluminum, double adjustable shocks. The car is going to be painted soon and in the process I am installing ZL1 flares all around, 17" custom made Boyd Coddington wheels (12" wide in rear, 10" wide in front) with BFGoodrich 315/35/17 g-force T/A kd's in rear and 255/40/17 in front.
When it is completed, I am going to buy a new Z06 and run them head to head. Please, Twin Turbo..........................don't get mad at me for the life I have in this rich country of mine.
When it is completed, I am going to buy a new Z06 and run them head to head. Please, Twin Turbo..........................don't get mad at me for the life I have in this rich country of mine.
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From: WAY DEEP INSIDE AMERICO,YES YOU LIVE HERE TO!! TX
Originally Posted by Twin_Turbo
show me what you have...oh, never mind..don't have to..I'll go to http://www.vbandp.com
I seen it, looks pretty trick 
Yo alex, show some pic's of your ride,
all the jibber jabber is
with out pic's 
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From: largo florida
Originally Posted by Sadistic
I agree with Jay. It seems to me that Alexarz was trying to research some C3 possibilities and was being attacked for caring about his C3's preservation on the higher end of the food chain.
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From: largo florida
Alexarz, have you ever actually raced your car on the track against a c5/6? If not, how do you know you are running circles around it? There is no doubt that you will kill the stockers on the straits, but that is not very impressive if you cant keep up in the turns. Lets see some vids, otherwise I dont see how you can make these claims. Also, stop with your Im a rich pig american, Im superior to everone else attituted. No one likes it, and you make Americans look like an ***.
Almost forgot, did you even do anything to the frame to stiffen it up? The stock frame is very flimsy, with that stiff suspension the frame is going to act as part of your suspension.
Almost forgot, did you even do anything to the frame to stiffen it up? The stock frame is very flimsy, with that stiff suspension the frame is going to act as part of your suspension.
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From: Coming home from Luckenbach Texas
Doesn't that chip on your shoulder get heavy after a while?
Your profile is empty, there are no pics, nor avatar.
So the forum rule of without pics applies in your case.
Your profile is empty, there are no pics, nor avatar.
So the forum rule of
without pics applies in your case.
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Nobody has a sense of humor? I was kidding about the American rich thing, directed toward the anti american, Twin Turboman. It is all meant in fun. I have not raced a C6 but I have driven one. I don't think I can turn circles around it but I was more impressed with the engine than the handling of the car. Not that it was bad, but it was not out of this world, either. The engine pulled nicely for a stock small block and that surprised me.
For some reason I am being misunderstood by some of you. My point is that a C3 which is heavily modified can be very competitive with performance of new cars, including new vettes, vipers, etc. A modernized, big block motor certainly has more potential for power than a new small block. Simply put, there is no substitute for cubes, particulary unrestricted ones.
I just registered at this site about 2 days ago so I don't have any pics posted up and I am not trying to impress anybody. Please find a quote where I attacked anyone. Some of you need to read more carefully.
For some reason I am being misunderstood by some of you. My point is that a C3 which is heavily modified can be very competitive with performance of new cars, including new vettes, vipers, etc. A modernized, big block motor certainly has more potential for power than a new small block. Simply put, there is no substitute for cubes, particulary unrestricted ones.
I just registered at this site about 2 days ago so I don't have any pics posted up and I am not trying to impress anybody. Please find a quote where I attacked anyone. Some of you need to read more carefully.
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Show us pictures of your vette.
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
Originally Posted by Alexarz
I have titanium coil springs in the front, rated at 550, 420 rate rear composite springs,
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Alexarz - you have nothing to show or compare 1 to 1. And who said TT was anti-American. I've never seen him say that ever, he was just stating the facts from another perspective as in where he lives. Have an open mind.
Glad you're please with your car and sounds nice, but don't bash anyone else. We're had to much of that lately from a lot of others.
All,
The C3 chasis is dated but fun to make it go fast around corners which many of us enjoy however there are many different expectations based on the owners persepctive so lets just share ideas.
Glad you're please with your car and sounds nice, but don't bash anyone else. We're had to much of that lately from a lot of others.
All,
The C3 chasis is dated but fun to make it go fast around corners which many of us enjoy however there are many different expectations based on the owners persepctive so lets just share ideas.
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
Originally Posted by yellow73sb
im not old enough to drive either.Probably because of your intelligent posts and respectfulness to others.
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St. Jude Donor '07
Originally Posted by Alexarz
When it is completed, I am going to buy a new Z06 and run them head to head. Please, Twin Turbo..........................don't get mad at me for the life I have in this rich country of mine.